Those numbers only include current electricity demand.  Have to add the increase in demand to charge everyone's electric cars.  As I posted, you're still missing a new 1GW reactor (or solar equivalent) added to the production capacity every 3 weeks for the next 14 years to supply power for everyone's electric cars just in the US.  That's 364 new nuclear plants in the next 14 years.

Solar isn't going to satisfy demand.  I don't know why you can't grasp that.

Don't forget to have charging stations world/nation wide and in buildings.  A Tesla super charger can charge a car to near full within 30 mins.  But since HI has no Tesla supercharger stations, the normal charger will charge about 20mils per hour.  So to charge a full tank on a Model Y Tesla that can go about 300 miles, would take 15 hours.  So add in every car on the street will need charging, no ones infrastructure is built for this.

And add in people will be taking way longer while they wait to charge, even for a Tesla supercharger, compared to taking 5 mins to fill up gas.

This is what no one is factoring in when they want to have majority EV's by X year.

Don't forget to have charging stations world/nation wide and in buildings.  A Tesla super charger can charge a car to near full within 30 mins.  But since HI has no Tesla supercharger stations, the normal charger will charge about 20mils per hour.  So to charge a full tank on a Model Y Tesla that can go about 300 miles, would take 15 hours.  So add in every car on the street will need charging, no ones infrastructure is built for this.

And add in people will be taking way longer while they wait to charge, even for a Tesla supercharger, compared to taking 5 mins to fill up gas.

This is what no one is factoring in when they want to have majority EV's by X year.

You don't need to charge fast...charge overnight.  What's the rush. 

Trump traveled/communicated all around the globe working out trade deals, investments from foreign companies, opened markets for US companies, brokered deals between Israel and half a dozen Arab countries, negotiated more financial support from NATO allies, etc.  Economists admitted his tariffs on China imports worked, reducing the trade deficit and leveling the playing field significantly for US companies and workers.

For some reason, there are idiots calling his policies "isolationism."  "Make America Great Again" does not in any way imply "Isolate the US from all other nations."  But, there are idiots who believe that.

And there are idiots who believe Trump wasn't an isolationist.  Pulling military out bases around the world.  Abandoning the middle east.   And Nato to an extent.  The fact they had one of the lowest foreign support of a recent USA president.  Stupid trade wars that only made things worse.

You don't need to charge fast...charge overnight.  What's the rush.

So is every parking stall in a condo supposed to be equipped with a charger?  If you plug a Tesla into the wall socket (laundry dryer type socket), you will get 3 miles per hour.

What about cars who park on the street?  Taxi drivers or delivery drivers?  Then add in the EV tech for The Bus or big rig trucks which isn't around yet.  Although Tesla is working on a big rig EV currently.

Do you see where the fault in your train of though is?  I'm gonna say no you don't and another thread will go on needlessly.

And there are idiots who believe Trump wasn't an isolationist.  Pulling military out bases around the world.  Abandoning the middle east.   And Nato to an extent.  The fact they had one of the lowest foreign support of a recent USA president.  Stupid trade wars that only made things worse.

Name all the military bases from which he pulled out "around the world."  Then compare that to Obama's record.

Abandoned the Middle East?  How, when he's brokering deals with Israel?

The trade wars existed long before Trump was elected.  He was the only President to work toward an "America First" outcome.  Even Biden admits NAFTA was an abject failure.

Don't forget to have charging stations world/nation wide and in buildings.  A Tesla super charger can charge a car to near full within 30 mins.  But since HI has no Tesla supercharger stations, the normal charger will charge about 20mils per hour.  So to charge a full tank on a Model Y Tesla that can go about 300 miles, would take 15 hours.  So add in every car on the street will need charging, no ones infrastructure is built for this.

And add in people will be taking way longer while they wait to charge, even for a Tesla supercharger, compared to taking 5 mins to fill up gas.

This is what no one is factoring in when they want to have majority EV's by X year.

That's one way to decrease the lifespan of a battery - fast charge.

You don't need to charge fast...charge overnight.  What's the rush.

a major hurricane or similar event

So is every parking stall in a condo supposed to be equipped with a charger?  If you plug a Tesla into the wall socket (laundry dryer type socket), you will get 3 miles per hour.

What about cars who park on the street?  Taxi drivers or delivery drivers?  Then add in the EV tech for The Bus or big rig trucks which isn't around yet.  Although Tesla is working on a big rig EV currently.

Do you see where the fault in your train of though is?

Yes but its not impossible.  Condos have parking stalls,  they can be wired to charge.  Its not some impossible task.  You can get chargers for your house that have higher voltage.  There are electric buses that can also be charged over night.  Taxi and delivery drivers also can be covered unless they drive over 300 miles in 1 go.  Not every single car needs to be electric yet, but lets start mass converting.

Not every single car needs to be electric yet, but lets start mass converting.

What do you drive?

Yes but its not impossible.  Condos have parking stalls,  they can be wired to charge.  Its not some impossible task.  You can get chargers for your house that have higher voltage.  There are electric buses that can also be charged over night.  Taxi and delivery drivers also can be covered unless they drive over 300 miles in 1 go.  Not every single car needs to be electric yet, but lets start mass converting.

Did I say it was impossible?  I just said infrastructure isn't built to handle the load.  Do you know how much each stall would cost to be built to charge a vehicle?  And due to lack of space, many condo's cannot built a new area that would allow X amount of cars to be charged.

To make a taxi/delivery driver stop and wait hours to be charged is not economical either.  My friend delivered for Room Service in Paradise (like Uber eats), and in just 1 dinner shift, he would put on about 150 miles easily.  Lunch shift not as high.

So no solution for the cars that do not have a parking stall and park overnight on the street huh?  Screw them I guess, all in the name of the greater good right?

Yes, any car (even buses) can be charged overnight. But what about the busy routes that may run out of juice?  It would mean a 2nd bus will be needed to continue the route, instead of the driver taking 5 mins to fill up the tank of gas.  So increased cost.  And this is for the regular city bus. Add in GreyHound type buses.

Your statements just show what happens when someone only thinks about them self and their situation.  Try thinking about others as well.

a major hurricane or similar event

Don't you know that if someone waits until they have only 10% juice left, it's their fault and they will suffer the consequence.

What do you drive?

This is a very good question.  We do know that he tries to buy eco friendly clothing, but doesn't make  clothing or materials himself instead.  We know that he uses electricity at home, but refuses to set up a bicycle type of system so he doesn't need HECO and their oil usage.

What do you drive?

Gas,  My next car with be a Tesla. 

This is a very good question.  We do know that he tries to buy eco friendly clothing, but doesn't make  clothing or materials himself instead.  We know that he uses electricity at home, but refuses to set up a bicycle type of system so he doesn't need HECO and their oil usage.

Bought a Condo in town so I don't have to travel.  Use energy efficient items.  Replaced all bulbs in house with LED.  I am not perfect but its not like I don't try.  My next car will be electric. 

Did I say it was impossible?  I just said infrastructure isn't built to handle the load.  Do you know how much each stall would cost to be built to charge a vehicle?  And due to lack of space, many condo's cannot built a new area that would allow X amount of cars to be charged.

To make a taxi/delivery driver stop and wait hours to be charged is not economical either.  My friend delivered for Room Service in Paradise (like Uber eats), and in just 1 dinner shift, he would put on about 150 miles easily.  Lunch shift not as high.

So no solution for the cars that do not have a parking stall and park overnight on the street huh?  Screw them I guess, all in the name of the greater good right?

Yes, any car (even buses) can be charged overnight. But what about the busy routes that may run out of juice?  It would mean a 2nd bus will be needed to continue the route, instead of the driver taking 5 mins to fill up the tank of gas.  So increased cost.  And this is for the regular city bus. Add in GreyHound type buses.

Your statements just show what happens when someone only thinks about them self and their situation.  Try thinking about others as well.

Workplaces can have chargers, they don't take much space.  Mandate all new buildings have X amount of chargers, I think my building does.  There are electric buses out there already that have apparently figured out a way.   Change is not easy.  But just saying nah too hard and doing nothing solves nothing.

Workplaces can have chargers, they don't take much space.  Mandate all new buildings have X amount of chargers, I think my building does.  There are electric buses out there already that have apparently figured out a way.   Change is not easy.  But just saying nah too hard and doing nothing solves nothing.

"Space" is the only consideration?  How about:

- Who pays for installation? 
- Who pays for the charger?
- Who pays for the electricity to run hundreds of chargers at once?
- Who pays for the grid and power production upgrades needed to charge tens of thousands of EVs daily?
- Who pays for maintenance and replacement/upgrades of charging stations? (such a thing as vandals, thieves, etc.)\

Lots of behind the scenes costs that you haven't addressed beyond the cost of the EV.  Will every single space need to be "EV Charging Stations," or just a few?  Half?  Some percentage based on number of total spaces?  Are we going to charge people driving gas vehicles increased parking fees to offset the costs of charging EV's ON TOP OF higher gas and electricity prices?

The questions keep coming.  Answers that make sense .... not so much.

Workplaces can have chargers, they don't take much space.  Mandate all new buildings have X amount of chargers, I think my building does.  There are electric buses out there already that have apparently figured out a way.   Change is not easy.  But just saying nah too hard and doing nothing solves nothing.

There already is code for new buildings and chargers. My bldg has 400 units and 2 chargers. Many grandfathered in workplaces dont have chargers. So how are say 200 cars supposed to charge when my bldg output is 25 mph. Screw them just like the street parkers right?

So all this talk about green and u still have a gas car or even a car since work is close to home.

Some here dont force green on others and already have an EV.

I dont even try and almost all my stuff is energy efficient.

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Lets play a game. Say ur condo was far from work. And both condo and work doesnt have a charger? U cant install a charger in your condo stall due to aoao bylaws.

Would find somewhere and wait 5 hours to charge?

Easy to talk  when its easy.

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In my small circle of friends, I can confidently state that none of them would give up their 4Runners, Tundras and Tacomas for an EV. From my observations riding and driving in traffic we have a deep affinity for large trucks and fast cars.

In my small circle of friends, I can confidently state that none of them would give up their 4Runners, Tundras and Tacomas for an EV. From my observations riding and driving in traffic we have a deep affinity for large trucks and fast cars.

I have a Tacoma.  If the financial analysis (price premium vs. gas saved = break even point) makes sense, AND the vehicle performance was at least as good as the gas model (speed, range between charges/fill-ups, power/load capacity), AND the benefit to the environment was documented (production of the raw materials and parts actually use fewer fossil fuels than the gas model), then I'd be fine trading my Tacoma in for the electric/hybrid model. 

What I don't want is someone lecturing me about "compromises to save the planet," when our government leaders continue to travel in private and leased jets, own multiple homes, and get driven around in huge gas powered SUV convoys.