I have not seen anyone here successfully refute Omnigun on the issue of these passports. Perhaps he is right about them. I’m starting a new thread here because the COVID cult thread is so hard to follow so I figured a thread dedicated specifically to this issue would be ok (mods feel free to lock/delete if I’m wrong).
Now I am not for these passports personally. We haven’t needed something like this for any other type of pathogen/disease. I’ve never had to show a negative TB card and they’re talking about annual vaccinations on COVID now. Technically they won’t be mandatory but you won’t be able to do shit like fly or go on vacation so basically if you want to have a life you’ll need to get the vaccine and show proof. Omnigun does make a good point that we do require proof of safety in other areas of our lives like for driving. I don’t believe that these comparisons to “nazis” and “fascist” are accurate. Why shouldn’t we have a vaccine passport to prove that we’ve been vaccinated? What rights do they actually violate?
Name another disease we make people prove they have been vaccinated against to travel or attend ball games.
Name a disease that we require they inform us they DO have so they can be barred against similar activities.
When HIV/AIDS was first identified, and a test was developed to detect its presence, a person's HIV status was being used to terminate employment, ban from school sports and professional sports, from entering the military, etc. We now take precautions (gloves, respirators, proper needle disposal, etc) to prevent infections rather than limiting what people with the infection can or can't do.
If the passports identified people ACTUALLY INFECTED AT THE TIME with COVID-19, like using a finger stick and blood sample, then I'd be all for it. But the vaccine in no way means you are safe from infecting others. It only means you are vaccinated. The length of time since your last vaccination, how many shots you've had, and whether you've been exposed to anyone with the virus in the last couple of days factors in more than some vaccination passport. People with both vaccination shots are still being tested positive. Yet, they have a passport. The uninfected guy with 2 teenage kids and a wife trying to visit a hospitalized relative will, however, be banned from flying if they don't all have passports.
The overall effectiveness of the passport system is in question. What will it accomplish? To me, it's a solution that doesn't fix anything. It'll force people who don't trust the vaccine's longterm side effects to get the shot while guaranteeing nothing related to stopping the spread of the virus.
Then there's the high probability that there will be counterfeit passports or legit passports being sold/given out without the accompanying vaccinations. That absolutely won't stop infections in any way.
Flying is already a massive invasion of our privacy and takes too much time and effort to clear the security hurdles. Passports will be one more snafu to delay travel on top of the normal stack of snafus.