Doesn't mean we should get rid of the appointment system.  Its pretty restrictive if to purchase a gun you have to physically stand in a "8 hour" line.  And be mandated by law to do so.  Basically losing 1-2 days of work every purchase.  A luxury many gun owners can't afford.   I would aruge is worse than waiting 90 days.  If you infinitely can't buy a gun because of not being able to sacrifice wages and time.  Big difference from appointments which have all been extremely quick for me.

#facepalm.  You're forgetting say for some reason you're unable to get any kind of appointment, then you are defacto being banned from exercising your 2a right.  At least standing in line would guarantee being serviced that day in theory. 

Read my post slowly and again. That will rebut some of what you replied.  If you still "feel" that the RSVP is less restrictive, read my post again, but even slower.  And if you still feel the same way, ask someone to read the post and explain it with pictures and shapes.

One has to ask if we never had RSVP from day 1, would there even be any long wait in line 1 year later?  If there are any long lines for reg after 5/10, it's because HPD was doing 1 person every 10-15 minutes.  Which is only about 24 people a day.

Some people also cannot get PTA's because they're not able to be on their phone checking HPD all day or work with a computer (ie construction worker).  So to say waiting in line and losing 1-2 days of work is worst than the 90 days, is wrong.  I know many who have been trying since June to get a PTA.  I'm 1 of them.  I do not spend every 10 minutes checking their website.  Also some employers do not let you take 1-2 hours off.  You would have to take the entire day, and some even you have to take a minimum of 3 days.  See Yukutake/Kikuewa lawsuit about blocks of days off.

Yes, appointments are quick.  I've been to a few and what you have to realize is while they're done with you, HPD is just sitting there waiting for the next person to show up, when they could be servicing someone else.  So that is the reason why they're quick.  They could be servicing 2-3 people every 10-15 minutes.

But what do I know right?  It's what ever is easier for you and not the community.

#facepalm.  You're forgetting say for some reason you're unable to get any kind of appointment, then you are defacto being banned from exercising your 2a right.  At least standing in line would guarantee being serviced that day in theory. 

Read my post slowly and again. That will rebut some of what you replied.  If you still "feel" that the RSVP is less restrictive, read my post again, but even slower.  And if you still feel the same way, ask someone to read the post and explain it with pictures and shapes.

One has to ask if we never had RSVP from day 1, would there even be any long wait in line 1 year later?  If there are any long lines for reg after 5/10, it's because HPD was doing 1 person every 10-15 minutes.  Which is only about 24 people a day.

Some people also cannot get PTA's because they're not able to be on their phone checking HPD all day or work with a computer (ie construction worker).  So to say waiting in line and losing 1-2 days of work is worst than the 90 days, is wrong.  I know many who have been trying since June to get a PTA.  I'm 1 of them.  I do not spend every 10 minutes checking their website.  Also some employers do not let you take 1-2 hours off.  You would have to take the entire day, and some even you have to take a minimum of 3 days.  See Yukutake/Kikuewa lawsuit about blocks of days off.

Yes, appointments are quick.  I've been to a few and what you have to realize is while they're done with you, HPD is just sitting there waiting for the next person to show up, when they could be servicing someone else.  So that is the reason why they're quick.  They could be servicing 2-3 people every 10-15 minutes.

But what do I know right?  It's what ever is easier for you and not the community.

I remember the time before appointments.  Yes, I had to wait long.  Yes I bought less guns because of it.  Neither solution has to be either or.  Like I've said many times in this thread.  Have both.  If you want to waste your whole day but almost guarantee that you can register you have the freedom to do so.  For those who can't have appointments. You are correct that there are cons to appointments but to get rid of them for walk ins and pretend there is no cons to that system is foolish.  HPD are humans just because you can theoretically pack in extra people doesn't really mean you should.  There are other factors. 

In the end the whole point of this is advocating for CHOICES.  You know #freedom. It might be a sad world when the DMV is the shining example of public service appointments.

I remember the time before appointments.  Yes, I had to wait long.  Yes I bought less guns because of it.  Neither solution has to be either or.  Like I've said many times in this thread.  Have both.  If you want to waste your whole day but almost guarantee that you can register you have the freedom to do so.  For those who can't have appointments. You are correct that there are cons to appointments but to get rid of them for walk ins and pretend there is no cons to that system is foolish.  HPD are humans just because you can theoretically pack in extra people doesn't really mean you should.  There are other factors. 

In the end the whole point of this is advocating for CHOICES.  You know #freedom. It might be a sad world when the DMV is the shining example of public service appointments.

And that's a fucking joke too. The earliest I can get an appointment to for my drivers license is September 22nd... 20 weeks/5 months. It took my son 4 months to get his drivers test appointment. Yeah, let's all look to the DMV

And that's a fucking joke too. The earliest I can get an appointment to for my drivers license is September 22nd... 20 weeks/5 months. It took my son 4 months to get his drivers test appointment. Yeah, let's all look to the DMV

Atleast they both do online and offline appointments. You can get call backs and texts when you ready and other cool stuff from what I remember. 

And that's a fucking joke too. The earliest I can get an appointment to for my drivers license is September 22nd... 20 weeks/5 months. It took my son 4 months to get his drivers test appointment. Yeah, let's all look to the DMV

No matter what your experience, knowledge or opinion might be, he's going to argue.

It's what he does.

Engaging the troll never ends.  Attention is his drug. 

No matter what your experience, knowledge or opinion might be, he's going to argue.

It's what he does.

Engaging the troll never ends.  Attention is his drug.

Put him on ignored!

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No matter what your experience, knowledge or opinion might be, he's going to argue.

It's what he does.

Engaging the troll never ends.  Attention is his drug.

the result of daddy issues or mommy issues or both.

No matter what your experience, knowledge or opinion might be, he's going to argue.

It's what he does.

Engaging the troll never ends.  Attention is his drug.

Not really I've had many instances that I have agreed with others here.   Even ren. 

Just doesn't always happen cause around 50% of my views don't align. And I have no issue speaking my mind. 

Not really I've had many instances that I have agreed with others here.   Even ren. 

Just doesn't always happen cause around 50% of my views don't align.

And I have no issue redundantly repeating myself ad nauseam in every thread because I'm that important  speaking my mind.

Fixed.

Aside from the obama era, before the appointment system I've never experienced long lines at HPD to register or apply for a PTA.

The most I've ever experienced was 2 or 3 people ahead of me.  Maybe once or twice.

Rest of the time it was only me.

edited to add:  I don't mind the appointment system but the way it is now sucks.  Big time.  And it becomes evident everyday that HPD and the "system" doesn't want to make it better.  There is no reason for the system to allow only bookings 90 days ahead.  They just don't want to improve it.

Aside from the obama era, before the appointment system I've never experienced long lines at HPD to register or apply for a PTA.

The most I've ever experienced was 2 or 3 people ahead of me.  Maybe once or twice.

Rest of the time it was only me.

edited to add:  I don't mind the appointment system but the way it is now sucks.  Big time.  And it becomes evident everyday that HPD and the "system" doesn't want to make it better.  There is no reason for the system to allow only bookings 90 days ahead.  They just don't want to improve it.

It has always been hit-or-miss when there were no panic buying sprees happening.  Mondays seem to be busy, since many people apply for handgun permits the first business day at HPD after a weekend.  Those people also come back on a Monday to pickup the PTA and register.

Longest wait I ever had, excluding Obama panic times, was to the double doors leading of the records section.  Took about 2 hours total.  Normal wait time was usually 30-45 minutes with 2-5 people already being helped or waiting.

That was with just 2 officers working the window.  Now there are what?  4 or 5 windows in the new location for applying for permits?  Should be able to handle double or triple the number of people at a time.  While 2 people are filling out forms, a third applicant can be at that same window getting what they need done.  With the online forms being used more often, some people can walk up to the window, sign the forms, and leave in a few minutes if no fingerprinting and payments are involved.  Blocking out 15 or 30 minute times for each application is ridiculous. 

When I went, there was ONE officer at ONE window helping ONE person ahead of me.  I arrived about 15 minutes early.  The person ahead of me left about 10 minutes before my appointment was scheduled to start.  I had to pay and get fingerprinted because I hadn't paid my second "one time" fee since RAPBACK began.  Even with the health screening and fingerprinting, I was in and out in less than 10 minutes -- including walking to and from the police parking garage. 

I'd given myself 30 minutes on the parking meter, and I still had 20 left.  I offered my unexpired meter to someone parking 2 spots over.  Hopefully he was able to use it.  I've heard there may be motion sensors to prevent using someone else's unexpired time, but I tried anyway.

This picture probably has the equivalent number of firearms that are backlogged to be registered.

FYI.  So the first 50 people in line from 7 am.  They will get a ticket with a time on it to come back later.  So sort of like how the dmv used to be.

FYI.  So the first 50 people in line from 7 am.  They will get a ticket with a time on it to come back later.  So sort of like how the dmv used to be.

thanks for the update 

FYI.  So the first 50 people in line from 7 am.  They will get a ticket with a time on it to come back later.  So sort of like how the dmv used to be.

i saw HiFiCo post on FB.  said this morning wasn't that crowded

Never even have one person outside the door at 11:00am.  I picked up my permit and there was no one waiting to register outside.  Couple of people inside.  Heard there was a line to the elevator in the morning.

As I waited outside the registration room, I saw one guy get the last 3pm appt at approx. 8:30.  So you gotta get in line early to get appts to come back.  Those people in walk-in line for registrations were being taken care of by window in records room and not my normal registration window.

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As I waited outside the registration room, I saw one guy get the last 3pm appt at approx. 8:30.  So you gotta get in line early to get appts to come back.  Those people in walk-in line for registrations were being taken care of by window in records room and not my normal registration window.

So, the "walk-in" system is in reality just an in-person appointment system available on a daily basis vs the online 90-day advanced bookings system.  Those who get there first get nearly immediate service, while everyone else gets an appointment for the day.

Seems like appointment processes have been worked out by others for similar systems before now.  Why does HPD have to experiment and come up with ridiculous procedures as they struggle to find a workable solution?

"Let's reinvent the wheel, but only use people who've never actually seen a wheel!"

It's still a sort of appointment system, but now it ties you up for the day, depending on what time you get by how soon you got in line.

Anyone feels this system is better?  I don't think so.

If you come from far away and was unlucky to get a late afternoon slot, wtf do you do in-between?  Your whole day is shot to hell.

They should do a lotto.  Everyone picks numbers and the winners pick the appointments for the week.  Lol

I'm kidding.  The online system was fine.  Add a normal line 6 foot distance in addition for the second window.  Simple solution.