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Where's Serena Williams at? She's better to look at for a tennis match and there's no LOVE here


FFS - nobody here does anything illegal. Move along and do what you want. It's your dime to your lawyer if that's where you plan to go

For macsak. . .

Or do I owe him a "my bad"?    

but at least you are not wrong...

but at least you are not wrong...

heads

I always wondered why there is a federal law about removing mattress tags. Now I know what tiny demographic made them have to do something that silly. Think of all the scars from the McDonald's coffee burns that clown has. Probably burn himself again tomorrow.

By that stellar logic, there should be no penalties in the statute for possession of an assault pistol, because you can't possess something that doesn't exist ("no such thing").

Stop trying to Omni-splain everything.  This is NOT your area of expertise (which has yet to be determined).

You can't "legally own" suppressors, short-barrel rifles, pistol mags over 10rds, fully automatic firearms, nor any other NFA controlled item, so I guess none of those exist in the state, either.  Try Googling those items as they relate to arrests in Hawaii.  I BET YOU there are many stories where these items are "a thing."  I know.  I checked.

Your perception of reality is still governed by what the courts and lawmakers dictate to you, even though reality and the legal system are often at odds with one another.

If you can't own something then laws based on said ownership don't quite make sense.....doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Suppliers erring on the safe side and do not appreciate standard capacity magazines.

Beyond that, there’s been a number of threads on why some LGSs and even online vendors read the laws. If you need links, I’ll find a few and post links when I have more free time.

Yeah.  I ordered some 20 rd. mags from this supplier online and they flagged my order and told me they are canceling my order because they claim it is illegal to ship this particular rifle magazine to hawaii buyers.

Then I found this other supplier and they processed my order no problem.

Started this thread because I was wondering if any of you folks have the same problem.

Also want to thank all posters who shared information of "assault pistol" laws and the legalities associated with it, especially in Hawaii.

But yeah, I don't plan to go down that rabbit hole......

If you can't own something then laws based on said ownership don't quite make sense.....doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

You mean like how heroine is illegal to possess, yet there are laws for intent to distribute?

You really do believe laws prevent crime, don't you?  (<== Rhetorical.  No replies required.  Already been down that twisted road.)

So is it safe to assume that we can have 30rd AR mags or should we err on the side of caution and not be in possession of them in public shooting spaces?

You mean like how heroine is illegal to possess, yet there are laws for intent to distribute?

Called human trafficking if you possess a heroine with intent to distribute English major.
(Prompted by other stupid picking nit posts by this comedian and others)

Yep.  He chose his screen name intentionally,

Did you choose all four of your screen names intentionally ? (Flapp, Darmok, MauiD, Moosed)
Who else here has had four screen names ? And why?

And don’t tell me I derailed the thread.
It was so derailed.
Guy asked a direct question. The least we could do is answer it to the best of our ability.
Omni, need a little bit of knowledge to answer though.
DirtyL, Dogman, Mac, and a bunch of other members can answer better than most of us can.

So is it safe to assume that we can have 30rd AR mags or should we err on the side of caution and not be in possession of them in public shooting spaces?

Look up and down the line at Kokohead and at gun shops and make a determination.
Playing in grey.

Hawaii state law prohibits greater than 10 round detachable pistol magazines unless blocked to hold 10 rounds or less and “not readily restorable.” Possession of illegal magazines is a misdemeanor, one count per magazine, and possession of a handgun with one inserted is a class C felony. There is much debate among gun owners, law enforcement, and dealers over the interpretation of this portion of the statutes when rifle magazines which fit handguns are considered, and the prohibition is generally not enforced.

https://hawaiirifleassociation.org/hawaii-gun-laws/

Hawaii state law prohibits greater than 10 round detachable pistol magazines unless blocked to hold 10 rounds or less and “not readily restorable.” Possession of illegal magazines is a misdemeanor, one count per magazine, and possession of a handgun with one inserted is a class C felony. There is much debate among gun owners, law enforcement, and dealers over the interpretation of this portion of the statutes when rifle magazines which fit handguns are considered, and the prohibition is generally not enforced.

https://hawaiirifleassociation.org/hawaii-gun-laws/

That’s the shit. 

Look up and down the line at Kokohead and at gun shops and make a determination.
Playing in grey.

I should buy you a beer, sir

Check out the thread I posted above.

One classic comment:
Go to Kokohead and look up and down the line.

Or an HDF range day.
Or a local gun shop other than SEC. (SEC is awesome but strict on their mag interpretation.)

https://gunmagwarehouse.com/

The grey is in that AR’s cannot be registered as a pistol if the mag is detachable.
Therefore, a detachable AR/AK mag cannot be used in a legal pistol in Hawaii.
There are a bunch of AR pistols in Hawaii with fixed (welded) magazines which are no longer detachable.
There is even a thread on how to make one legal and what methods of securing the mag to the receiver are acceptable to HPD. (Again, kind of a crap shoot.)

10-22 mags are a little trickier because of the Ruger Charger and it’s variants.

Rifle mags are legal because they tried to ban them twice in the last 2 years.  Why ban something if it's already illegal?  So refer to my post about the HRS stating "fits into a pistol".  Regardless of how someone finds a loop hole and modifies an AR to be some what of an AR pistol, HRS clearly defines what an "assault pistol" is (AR pistol).  Once the definition is no longer met by HRS, it is not an assault pistol anymore.   Thus rifle mags are legal.

Then refer to my post about the Zipp22 which is a pistol.  Even no longer made, it's still a pistol thus 10/22 mags fall into the mag limit category.

For a while, LGS played it safe, but others didn't. Then you have the LGS who only sell standard cap mags to LE. There is no HI law that exempts LGS from doing this. So the worker can be in violation for possessing a standard cap mag as they hand it to the LEO.

Yeah.  I ordered some 20 rd. mags from this supplier online and they flagged my order and told me they are canceling my order because they claim it is illegal to ship this particular rifle magazine to hawaii buyers.

Then I found this other supplier and they processed my order no problem.

Started this thread because I was wondering if any of you folks have the same problem.

Also want to thank all posters who shared information of "assault pistol" laws and the legalities associated with it, especially in Hawaii.

But yeah, I don't plan to go down that rabbit hole......

Gotcha.  Yeah, I've heard of the "flagging order" after the fact and getting cancellation notice/order.  Some companies have also changed recently (say in the last 2-3 years).  I don't recall encountering cancellation on any of my orders, but I did notice some vendors that I had ordered from in the past had changed policies.  As well as some going out of business. 

Hopefully we can get to a point where standard cap mags become the norm for Hawaii.  Not holding my breath, but hopeful. 

Gotcha.  Yeah, I've heard of the "flagging order" after the fact and getting cancellation notice/order.  Some companies have also changed recently (say in the last 2-3 years).  I don't recall encountering cancellation on any of my orders, but I did notice some vendors that I had ordered from in the past had changed policies.  As well as some going out of business. 

Hopefully we can get to a point where standard cap mags become the norm for Hawaii.  Not holding my breath, but hopeful.

Some from HIFICO have sent emails to online stores stated that rifle mags are legal.  They showed them the current HRS and the bills that were presented trying to ban rifle mags too. 

Some from HIFICO have sent emails to online stores stated that rifle mags are legal.  They showed them the current HRS and the bills that were presented trying to ban rifle mags too.

Did any of the stores/shops change their stance or policy?

The HRS and proposed revisions can be about as clear as tax law.   

Did any of the stores/shops change their stance or policy?

The HRS and proposed revisions can be about as clear as tax law.   

IDK if any shops/stores changed their stance. 

What the HRS bill did was cross out the word "pistol" in the phrase "fits into a pistol" and change it to "firearm".  "Fits into a firearm".

Which confirms what I posted above.

Legally in Hawaii you can't own "assault pistols".  Thus there is no such thing.  Once a rifle,  always a rifle.   No conversions according to the ATF.  You must purchase a "pistol" receiver or a non labeled receiver and declare it a pistol.  And you must register said receiver under your name,  after you do so you will no longer be able to own or purchase standard capacity mags.

Irrelevant, there are pistols which can take rifle magazines that wouldn't qualify as assault pistols. The law doesn't specify whether you own pistols capable of taking the magazine, only whether there are pistols which can take the magazines.

Hawaii state law prohibits greater than 10 round detachable pistol magazines unless blocked to hold 10 rounds or less and “not readily restorable.” Possession of illegal magazines is a misdemeanor, one count per magazine, and possession of a handgun with one inserted is a class C felony. There is much debate among gun owners, law enforcement, and dealers over the interpretation of this portion of the statutes when rifle magazines which fit handguns are considered, and the prohibition is generally not enforced.

https://hawaiirifleassociation.org/hawaii-gun-laws/

Yup. According to the law they are technically illegal but never seen it enforced