withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea? (Read 153756 times)

Glasser

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #240 on: August 19, 2021, 08:48:16 AM »
Whos ready for Vice President Round Heels to take over?


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9908309/Biden-says-NO-military-advisers-recall-told-troops-Afghanistan.html


President claims 'no one is being killed' in the Kabul airport chaos despite 12 confirmed deaths and says he can't 'recall' if he was told to keep 2,500 troops in Afghanistan

    President Joe Biden insisted his military advisers did not tell him to keep a U.S. troop presence in Afghanistan
    'No one said that to me that I can recall,' he told ABC News in his first interview since the Taliban take over
    He said his top brass did not argue that all troops would be pulled from Afghanistan 'in a time frame' 
    There were multiple warnings, however, and The Wall Street Journal reported this week that Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley wanted to keep 2,500 U.S. troops in Afghanistan
    He also insisted 'no one is being killed' in the chaos surrounding the Kabul airport despite 12 confirmed deaths
    Biden also said in the interview that he would have withdrawn troops from even without Donald Trump's deal – in a stark reversal of blaming the situation on his predecessor
     This was the first time Biden faced questions from media over his disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan
    Biden chose former Bill Clinton aide Stephanopoulos for the interview and hasn't taken questions from other members of the media for nine days

Glasser

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #241 on: August 19, 2021, 09:04:04 AM »

omnigun

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #242 on: August 19, 2021, 10:13:47 AM »


Because obviously ending a war ends with bombing everything.  Oh wait....isnt that how wars start.  The plan is to GTFO of afganistan and waste less money.  Get the citizens out and leave everything else that isn't worth bringing back.  Its not like they can maintain everything.  Imagine spending more on bringing used equipment back than purchasing new ones...The whole point is to stop wasting money right?

Glasser

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #243 on: August 19, 2021, 10:24:08 AM »
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9908755/Former-CIA-analyst-campaign-adviser-says-Biden-told-Afghan-forces-collapse-days.html

CIA counter-terrorism chief joins long list of military officials saying Biden WAS warned Afghanistan could capitulate in days - after president said he 'can't recall' the warnings and Mark Milley saying no one saw it coming

Douglas London said Biden was being 'misleading at best' in his denials
London was the CIA's counter-terrorism chief for south and south-west Asia
He then worked as a volunteer adviser to the Biden campaign
He said Trump and Biden officials were told Afghan collapse could come in days
His scathing assessment comes after Biden said he was never warned of the risk

changemyoil66

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #244 on: August 19, 2021, 10:24:34 AM »
Hahahahahaha to omnis reply. TDS as usual.  He should get a vaxx for that.

drck1000

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #245 on: August 19, 2021, 10:29:13 AM »
Hahahahahaha to omnis reply. TDS as usual.  He should get a vaxx for that.
Neck TQ bruh. . .

macsak

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #246 on: August 19, 2021, 10:30:03 AM »
Because obviously ending a war ends with bombing everything.  Oh wait....isnt that how wars start.  The plan is to GTFO of afganistan and waste less money.  Get the citizens out and leave everything else that isn't worth bringing back.  Its not like they can maintain everything.  Imagine spending more on bringing used equipment back than purchasing new ones...The whole point is to stop wasting money right?

now he/she/it is a logistics expert at heart
and a military tactician at heart too...

drck1000

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #247 on: August 19, 2021, 10:34:02 AM »
now he/she/it is a logistics expert at heart
and a military tactician at heart too...
#expertinlife

Glasser

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #248 on: August 19, 2021, 10:44:34 AM »
Fun Fact- the DOD was shipping their Caterpillar Heavy equipment from Afghanistan & Iraq all the way to Hawaii for major service for a couple years, reason being was Caterpillar could not keep up with complete replacements fast enough because of steel shortages. It was literally cheaper to leave units dead where they stood and get a new one, than it was to ship it back half way around the world. 

ren

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #249 on: August 19, 2021, 10:45:42 AM »
now he/she/it is a logistics expert at heart
and a military tactician at heart too...

Isnt that where we are now? The conflict being managed by people with NO experience outside of a career in politics and CNN trying to play real world Sim City
Deeds Not Words

changemyoil66

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #250 on: August 19, 2021, 11:32:55 AM »
now he/she/it is a logistics expert at heart
and a military tactician at heart too...

Denying the enemy. we learned that in Nam.  1 thing was to not leave empty LAWs behind.  The NVA/VC would use the empty tubes as booby traps.  They would put some grenades in it and hang it from a tree. Then tie a string that when tripped, 2-3 grenades would fall out of the tube and the spools release on the way down.  Saw that on The History Channel about booby traps.

Then fast forward to today,  the steel M16/M4 mags were designed to be used once and tossed. But out troops would instead reuse the mags and not drop them, but keep.  This caused a jam issue.  So Pmags is where it's at. Can reuse without as much problems as steel mags.

So to destroy equipment and bomb the bases so the enemy cannot use them as a strong hold makes sense.  But we run into the problem of the equipment being left behind for the ANA to use.  But instead they surrendered.  And refer back to the aircraft maintenance issue.

Glasser

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #251 on: August 19, 2021, 11:33:04 AM »
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/08/general-scottie-miller-recommended-closing-bagram-air-force-base-left-afghanistan-july-expected-retire-soon/


General Scottie Miller Who Recommended Closing Bagram Air Force Base left Afghanistan in July and Is Expected to Retire Soon

omnigun

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #252 on: August 19, 2021, 11:36:54 AM »
now he/she/it is a logistics expert at heart
and a military tactician at heart too...

Its public information how expensive it is to transport items....no need heart, anyone with a brain can figure it out.

changemyoil66

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #253 on: August 19, 2021, 11:39:02 AM »
Its public information how expensive it is to transport items....no need heart, anyone with a brain can figure it out.

Get a non approved by the FDA vaxx to save lives.

Shipping cost too much to save lives.

They should have paypal'd over the funds to the shipping company.

ren

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #254 on: August 19, 2021, 11:55:10 AM »
The reason why this is a soup sandwich is because Biden treats the Presidency as a hobby...
Deeds Not Words

changemyoil66

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #255 on: August 19, 2021, 12:01:48 PM »
The reason why this is a soup sandwich is because Biden treats the Presidency as a hobby...

Also maybe because he didn't earn the job.  He had people cheating for him and just placed him there.  So he doesn't appreciate what he needs to do. 

Like renting a home vs. buying one.  Pride in ownership.

macsak

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #256 on: August 19, 2021, 12:05:59 PM »

omnigun

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #257 on: August 19, 2021, 12:07:43 PM »
Also maybe because he didn't earn the job.  He had people cheating for him and just placed him there.  So he doesn't appreciate what he needs to do. 

Like renting a home vs. buying one.  Pride in ownership.

Several flaws in this statement.  There is no evidence of cheating.   Biden while this failure is on his time was fairly unavoidable.  I wouldn't even blame Trump for this fiasco.   Earning the presidency is just winning the election.

As for renting vs buying situations are different for the person depending on job etc.  Some states its more economical to rent because property taxes are high etc.  If you have a transient life style etc.  My family has had excellent renters showing that you can have pride without ownership.

macsak

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #258 on: August 19, 2021, 12:08:56 PM »

changemyoil66

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #259 on: August 19, 2021, 12:10:10 PM »
Several flaws in this statement.  There is no evidence of cheating.   Biden while this failure is on his time was fairly unavoidable.  I wouldn't even blame Trump for this fiasco.   Earning the presidency is just winning the election.

As for renting vs buying situations are different for the person depending on job etc.  Some states its more economical to rent because property taxes are high etc.  If you have a transient life style etc.  My family has had excellent renters showing that you can have pride without ownership.


Swooooosssshhhhhhh. He felt the need to argue again.