withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea? (Read 153606 times)

drck1000

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #840 on: September 27, 2021, 11:04:07 PM »
That’s some pretty elaborate smoke screen to have some of those instances of him being at Dover AFB when remains of service members were returned to the US. I don’t recall all of the derails, but it wasn’t publicized by the press and I think the story surfaced by some after some fact checking by opposition way later.

I mean not “inconceivable” that that was a well calculated act.

hvybarrels

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #841 on: September 27, 2021, 11:47:14 PM »
They are going to get raped, that is all there is too it.  I presume they understand that
and accept that possibility, when they joined up.

Getting raped by the enemy on enemy territory is bad enough.
Getting raped by you fellow soldiers in enemy territory is worse.
But this was on a military base on US soil by Biden's refugees.
You know, the ones Hawaiian Airlines helped fly in by the thousands but nobody bothered to check who they really are?

Well it turns out there were at least a handful of rapists in the bunch.

 

Pretending to be offended does not make you a good person.

macsak

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #842 on: September 28, 2021, 07:29:49 AM »

macsak

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #843 on: September 28, 2021, 08:08:54 AM »

changemyoil66

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #844 on: September 28, 2021, 08:50:42 AM »
Gallagher 2.0, but this time no POTUS who cares.

For violating gag order, I'll bet he will be in solitary and not able to see his attorney like how others who are in the brig are allowed to.

Wonder if they did a Stone 2.0 also. Violates gag order and fed tactical team shows up at his home.  The home of a 70 year old man. With CNN just happens to be in the forest.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #845 on: September 29, 2021, 03:15:40 PM »
Remember when Obama and SOS Clinton PROMISED they would bring those responsible for the attack in Benghazi to justice?  How many people were tried and convicted?

What happened was a YouTube video producer was thrown in prison for posting an obscure video which has never been shown to have been linked to that attack.

Just a short time ago, Resident Biden (former Obama VP) made the exact same promise -- that they would find and hold accountable those responsible for the 13 lives lost during the exodus from Kabul.

Instead, they threw a highly rated and decorated Marine officer in the brig under pretrial confinement for criticizing our government's failures in the withdrawal.

CMO:  "For violating gag order, I'll bet he will be in solitary and not able to see his attorney like how others who are in the brig are allowed to."

In the hearing, Lloyd Austin, Secretary of Defense, said he has no idea why the LtCol is being held in confinement.  The man said he would "ask the Marines for insight" into why.  This is the Sec of Defense, and he couldn't bother to get the specifics of this military hero's case before testifying? 

Incompetence, or just plain lack of caring?  He relied on the "Marines" to make plans for the withdrawal, and we see how that worked out.



The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #846 on: September 29, 2021, 09:14:58 PM »
Gallagher 2.0, but this time no POTUS who cares.

For violating gag order, I'll bet he will be in solitary and not able to see his attorney like how others who are in the brig are allowed to.

Wonder if they did a Stone 2.0 also. Violates gag order and fed tactical team shows up at his home.  The home of a 70 year old man. With CNN just happens to be in the forest.

I think legally they might have been able to jail someone for violating such a gag order I think in this case it appears to be such a stupid decision.

If he completely resigned is he still subject to the UCMJ or was this a gag order placed by a civillian judge?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #847 on: September 29, 2021, 09:22:28 PM »
I think legally they might have been able to jail someone for violating such a gag order I think in this case it appears to be such a stupid decision.

If he completely resigned is he still subject to the UCMJ or was this a gag order placed by a civillian judge?

Resigning a commission takes time to process.  Until it's completed, you're still serving.

Even after you separate, you are normally required to serve a certain time in the reserves.  Regular officers are subject to recall, so if someone wanted, they could reactivate him so he'd be subject to UCMJ justice.

It's not like a regular job where you can just walk out the door after tendering your resignation.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #848 on: September 30, 2021, 09:55:27 PM »
Resigning a commission takes time to process.  Until it's completed, you're still serving.

Even after you separate, you are normally required to serve a certain time in the reserves.  Regular officers are subject to recall, so if someone wanted, they could reactivate him so he'd be subject to UCMJ justice.

It's not like a regular job where you can just walk out the door after tendering your resignation.

Thanks, thats what my understanding was. I am generally a pretty faithful supporter of the military but it makes me uncomfortable how much members lose in the way of rights when they join.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #849 on: September 30, 2021, 10:09:11 PM »
Thanks, thats what my understanding was. I am generally a pretty faithful supporter of the military but it makes me uncomfortable how much members lose in the way of rights when they join.

Lose?  Or voluntarily surrender?

After the initial enlistment or service commitment is up, most members understand what they are expected to sacrifice.  If they don't want to do that, they don't have to remain. 

You're welcome to express your opinion, even though you're not in the military.  You should also respect the decision others willingly make to protect our country, even if it's "uncomfortable" for you.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

aaronc5362

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #850 on: October 01, 2021, 12:56:51 PM »
Oh didn't you hear...

The Taliban opened up stores; they are selling guns and ammo.

They are calling it "traitor joe's" in commenmerence of Biden for donating the inventory.


Lol thought that was funny.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #851 on: October 01, 2021, 01:11:05 PM »
Oh didn't you hear...

The Taliban opened up stores; they are selling guns and ammo.

They are calling it "traitor joe's" in commenmerence of Biden for donating the inventory.


Lol thought that was funny.

The MSM will be giving Biden credit for creating those jobs, too.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

aaronc5362

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #852 on: October 01, 2021, 02:00:47 PM »
The MSM will be giving Biden credit for creating those jobs, too.



Whats msm? Lol

The only thing I think of is milspec monkey lol :rofl:

QUIETShooter

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #853 on: October 01, 2021, 03:15:12 PM »
Oh didn't you hear...

The Taliban opened up stores; they are selling guns and ammo.

They are calling it "traitor joe's" in commenmerence of Biden for donating the inventory.


Lol thought that was funny.

Wonder how much they are selling the 5.56......

Oh and MSM means "Main Stream Media" like those assholes at CNN.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

aaronc5362

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #854 on: October 01, 2021, 05:04:53 PM »
Thanks quietshooter!

eyeeatingfish

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #855 on: October 01, 2021, 09:06:10 PM »
Lose?  Or voluntarily surrender?

After the initial enlistment or service commitment is up, most members understand what they are expected to sacrifice.  If they don't want to do that, they don't have to remain. 

You're welcome to express your opinion, even though you're not in the military.  You should also respect the decision others willingly make to protect our country, even if it's "uncomfortable" for you.

In the event of a draft it would absolutely be a loss of rights but that isn't really an issue unless they start drafting people again which is in itself arguably unconstitutional but that is a separate topic.

For people who voluntarily enlist technically it would be that they voluntarily surrendered their rights but realistically who really reads the whole UCMJ when they signed up? Is there even a line on the form that informs applicants that by joining the military they surrender some of their constitutional rights? If people freely and with knowledge give up their rights then that is their decision and I respect it but I am still not comfortable with members having to sacrifice constitutional rights. I think people should be able to serve this country and not have to give up their constitutional rights to do so.

macsak

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #856 on: October 01, 2021, 09:37:54 PM »
In the event of a draft it would absolutely be a loss of rights but that isn't really an issue unless they start drafting people again which is in itself arguably unconstitutional but that is a separate topic.

For people who voluntarily enlist technically it would be that they voluntarily surrendered their rights but realistically who really reads the whole UCMJ when they signed up? Is there even a line on the form that informs applicants that by joining the military they surrender some of their constitutional rights? If people freely and with knowledge give up their rights then that is their decision and I respect it but I am still not comfortable with members having to sacrifice constitutional rights. I think feel people should be able to serve this country and not have to give up their constitutional rights to do so.

fify

Flapp_Jackson

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #857 on: October 01, 2021, 10:10:50 PM »
I think people should be able to serve this country and not have to give up their constitutional rights to do so.

This is a complicated topic -- too complicated to handle in one or two posts.  It's also way off topic.

The US Military is a great way to start your life if you're a young person.  You'll be trained, given responsibilities, and have experiences you rarely have the opportunities to see in a commercial/civilian organization.  In exchange, you have to be willing to make some sacrifices -- up to and including your life.

It's not about "My Rights."  It's about "My Duty." 
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #858 on: October 02, 2021, 02:12:27 PM »
This is a complicated topic -- too complicated to handle in one or two posts.  It's also way off topic.

The US Military is a great way to start your life if you're a young person.  You'll be trained, given responsibilities, and have experiences you rarely have the opportunities to see in a commercial/civilian organization.  In exchange, you have to be willing to make some sacrifices -- up to and including your life.

It's not about "My Rights."  It's about "My Duty."

They give up their 1st amendment rights, 2nd amendment rights, 4th amendment rights, and probably a few others. Maybe you are ok with that but I am not, I fear too much government power even when it come to soldiers.. You are correct though, this really should be a separate topic so I will leave it there.

changemyoil66

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #859 on: October 02, 2021, 03:24:13 PM »
They give up their 1st amendment rights, 2nd amendment rights, 4th amendment rights, and probably a few others. Maybe you are ok with that but I am not, I fear too much government power even when it come to soldiers.. You are correct though, this really should be a separate topic so I will leave it there.
So their 4th amendment right, like being red flagged is not good?

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