it's "transitory" (Read 10523 times)

macsak

groveler

Re: it's "transitory"
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2021, 10:40:52 AM »
Transitory my ass!
Back in the Gulf war days oil was under $40 per barrel.
I paid $0.92 per gallon for fuel.
Today the price per barrel is a little over $70 per barrel
my gas is over $4 per gallon.
Don't give me that BS about Hawaii being isolated,  as I understand it we
get our oil from Russia and Indonesia, same price per barrel
and lower transportation costs than the mainland.
I can give example, after example, after example.
The problem is the Democrat dominated government in the USA
and locally, the Tyrannical government that Hawaiian citizens tolerate.
That is the problem. Let a Democrat take over and run a prosperous
state and it turns into a Zimbabwe, Venezuela, or a Cuba.
Rant off. :grrr:

ren

Re: it's "transitory"
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2021, 11:23:20 AM »
Transitory my ass!
Back in the Gulf war days oil was under $40 per barrel.
I paid $0.92 per gallon for fuel.
Today the price per barrel is a little over $70 per barrel
my gas is over $4 per gallon.
Don't give me that BS about Hawaii being isolated,  as I understand it we
get our oil from Russia and Indonesia, same price per barrel
and lower transportation costs than the mainland.
I can give example, after example, after example.
The problem is the Democrat dominated government in the USA
and locally, the Tyrannical government that Hawaiian citizens tolerate.
That is the problem. Let a Democrat take over and run a prosperous
state and it turns into a Zimbabwe, Venezuela, or a Cuba.
Rant off. :grrr:

get an EV some solar panels and chill out
Deeds Not Words

groveler

Re: it's "transitory"
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2021, 11:50:10 AM »
get an EV some solar panels and chill out
I have panels and can't afford an EV.  I'd go with a horse or mule first.
About "chill out", I'd rather try to figure out ways to deprive the
government of money. ;D

Kuleana

Re: it's "transitory"
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2021, 12:05:17 PM »
I have panels and can't afford an EV.  I'd go with a horse or mule first.
If the US imperial chicken hawks have their WWIII, that will be the standard mode of transportation for the survivors of that war.



About "chill out", I'd rather try to figure out ways to deprive the government of money. ;D
No need to waste your energy.

The power okole will just print what they need, and tax you to pay it back.

Jl808

Re: it's "transitory"
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2021, 12:08:32 PM »
“... tax you, your children and your grandchildren to pay for it.” (FIFY)
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Kuleana

Re: it's "transitory"
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2021, 12:12:14 PM »
Don't give me that BS about Hawaii being isolated, as I understand it we get our oil from Russia and Indonesia, same price per barrel and lower transportation costs than the mainland.  I can give example, after example, after example.  The problem is the Democrat dominated government in the USA and locally, the Tyrannical government that Hawaiian citizens tolerate. That is the problem.
The problem is the illegal occupation of Hawaii, by the US empire, that artificially creates a middleman leading to the higher cost of living, for everyone living in Hawaii.  As I have always stated, a restoration of the Hawaiian nation state that could deal directly with the global suppliers, of what people in Hawaii need, would result in lower costs for almost everything.

omnigun

Re: it's "transitory"
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2021, 12:37:59 PM »
The problem is the illegal occupation of Hawaii, by the US empire, that artificially creates a middleman leading to the higher cost of living, for everyone living in Hawaii.  As I have always stated, a restoration of the Hawaiian nation state that could deal directly with the global suppliers, of what people in Hawaii need, would result in lower costs for almost everything.

Lol that's not how it would work. 

groveler

Re: it's "transitory"
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2021, 12:41:48 PM »
The problem is the illegal occupation of Hawaii, by the US empire, that artificially creates a middleman leading to the higher cost of living, for everyone living in Hawaii.  As I have always stated, a restoration of the Hawaiian nation state that could deal directly with the global suppliers, of what people in Hawaii need, would result in lower costs for almost everything.
You "Assume" that the restored government would be better than the Hawaiian Democrat
one we have now.  I don't think that will be the case.
You would have to destroy what the residents of Hawaii have built over the last many decades.
most tyrannies don't "go quietly into the night".  :sleeping:

changemyoil66

Re: it's "transitory"
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2021, 12:51:47 PM »
You "Assume" that the restored government would be better than the Hawaiian Democrat
one we have now.  I don't think that will be the case.
You would have to destroy what the residents of Hawaii have built over the last many decades.
most tyrannies don't "go quietly into the night".  :sleeping:

The Young v. Hawaii lawsuit mentioned Hawaiian gun laws from long ago IIRC.

changemyoil66

Re: it's "transitory"
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2021, 12:52:15 PM »
Lol that's not how it would work.

Doesn't understand how Pasha/Matson works.

Brystont1

Re: it's "transitory"
« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2021, 01:21:48 PM »
You "Assume" that the restored government would be better than the Hawaiian Democrat
one we have now.  I don't think that will be the case.
You would have to destroy what the residents of Hawaii have built over the last many decades.
most tyrannies don't "go quietly into the night".  :sleeping:

You hit the nail on the head! When I was younger I was all about Hawaiian sovereignty. I even had my wife choose Keanu Sai’s online UH class as her elective and I basically did the class for her.

The cold hard truth is that this place would be ten times worse then it is now under a constitutional monarch. The same corrupt politicians that run this place would run the Hawaiian kingdom because the same people (voters) who allow the “fake state” to steal and completely disregard the constitution would allow them to do it in the Hawaiian kingdom. You’d be a different country in name only except atleast under the US we have the Supreme Court which sometimes gets it right.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: it's "transitory"
« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2021, 01:24:46 PM »
You hit the nail on the head! When I was younger I was all about Hawaiian sovereignty. I even had my wife choose Keanu Sai’s online UH class as her elective and I basically did the class for her.

The cold hard truth is that this place would be ten times worse then it is now under a constitutional monarch. The same corrupt politicians that run this place would run the Hawaiian kingdom because the same people (voters) who allow the “fake state” to steal and completely disregard the constitution would allow them to do it in the Hawaiian kingdom. You’d be a different country in name only except atleast under the US we have the Supreme Court which sometimes gets it right.


You just rang the dinner bell for "you know who" ...


The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Glasser

Re: it's "transitory"
« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2021, 01:43:35 PM »
You hit the nail on the head! When I was younger I was all about Hawaiian sovereignty. I even had my wife choose Keanu Sai’s online UH class as her elective and I basically did the class for her.

The cold hard truth is that this place would be ten times worse then it is now under a constitutional monarch. The same corrupt politicians that run this place would run the Hawaiian kingdom because the same people (voters) who allow the “fake state” to steal and completely disregard the constitution would allow them to do it in the Hawaiian kingdom. You’d be a different country in name only except atleast under the US we have the Supreme Court which sometimes gets it right.


Well I have no dog in this fight, and I do think nation in a nation is a legit proposition for natives.

That said go visit Guam and ask them about what happened during the Japanese occupation of WW2. Let's just say your average Chamorro is pretty damn happy to be under the skirt of Miss America now.

Kuleana

Re: it's "transitory"
« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2021, 02:30:04 PM »
You hit the nail on the head! When I was younger I was all about Hawaiian sovereignty. I even had my wife choose Keanu Sai’s online UH class as her elective and I basically did the class for her.
Aloha Aina.   :shaka:



The cold hard truth is that this place would be ten times worse then it is now under a constitutional monarch. The same corrupt politicians that run this place would run the Hawaiian kingdom because the same people (voters) who allow the “fake state” to steal and completely disregard the constitution would allow them to do it in the Hawaiian kingdom.
Remember; only those who can trace their lineage to the decedents of the Hawaiian Kingdom / Republic of Hawaii would have full citizenship and voting rights.  Yes, there are Hawaiian nationals today, who tend to be democrat leaning, but their are many who are more akin to republican values as well.



You’d be a different country in name only except at least under the US we have the Supreme Court which sometimes gets it right.
You mean the same gutless and corrupt Supreme Court that refused to settle straightforward matters regarding the 2nd Amendment and reaffirmed corporations as having the same rights of living people, which have only worked to solidify the control, of the US empire's power okole, the ultrawealthy?

No American patriot, for that matter, should put any faith in that body of government.  They have become the legal tools, of the US empire, and not its people.

Kuleana

Re: it's "transitory"
« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2021, 02:36:05 PM »

You just rang the dinner bell for "you know who" ...




You didn't mean me did you?  I really don't know what I am anymore.   :shake:

According to HB and OG, I am the $5/hr Chinabot, Hawaiian patriot fanatic, and Trump supporting domestic insurgent, all-in-one.    ;)

Kuleana

Re: it's "transitory"
« Reply #16 on: July 14, 2021, 03:06:02 PM »
You "Assume" that the restored government would be better than the Hawaiian Democrat one we have now.  I don't think that will be the case.
You would have to destroy what the residents of Hawaii have built over the last many decades. most tyrannies don't "go quietly into the night".  :sleeping:
The US empire is collapsing from within, for the many reasons you and almost everyone on this forum are familiar.

Hawaiians such as myself, know the challenge is to quickly reassert its international sovereignty, once the collapse begins, in order to restore normalcy and prevent SHTF chaos that will also occur, to the other former states, of the US empire, if they do not prepare similar contingencies.

This requires reestablishing the trade treaties the Hawaiian nation had prior to its illegal annexation, by the US empire; thereby, hopefully achieving a continuity of economic and financial commerce as well as food security, all for survival.

changemyoil66

Re: it's "transitory"
« Reply #17 on: July 14, 2021, 03:20:20 PM »
You didn't mean me did you?  I really don't know what I am anymore.   :shake:

According to HB and OG, I am the $5/hr Chinabot, Hawaiian patriot fanatic, and Trump supporting domestic insurgent, all-in-one.    ;)
China dont pay $5/hr. Try $0.75/hr.

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: it's "transitory"
« Reply #18 on: July 14, 2021, 03:22:30 PM »
You didn't mean me did you?  I really don't know what I am anymore.   :shake:

According to HB and OG, I am the $5/hr Chinabot, Hawaiian patriot fanatic, and Trump supporting domestic insurgent, all-in-one.    ;)

If you think I'm talking about you, I probably am ....   :shaka: :geekdanc:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Glasser

Re: it's "transitory"
« Reply #19 on: July 14, 2021, 03:25:39 PM »
I am confused, I thought the 2nd greatest achievement the Hawaiian culture (first being the navigation to find this place) was their excellent system of resource management when it came to feeding  themselves by their own means? Irrigation for taro, buidling fish ponds, deep sea fishing, rationing, and the kapu system dictating  who got to eat what. Why would you import food?