Hey guys, it's been like 4 years since I owned guns in Hawaii, had an AR-15, Glock, and walther. Ended up selling them a while back.
I'd like to purchase a new handgun cause the wife and I miss going to the range, I currently don't have a Doctor until the new year and even the it will be Kaiser.
is there something I can do about the Waiver forms for medical. Never had medical issues.

Also regarding the pistol course will I need to retake this? I still  have my forms from class.


Thank you

Hey guys, it's been like 4 years since I owned guns in Hawaii, had an AR-15, Glock, and walther. Ended up selling them a while back.
I'd like to purchase a new handgun cause the wife and I miss going to the range, I currently don't have a Doctor until the new year and even the it will be Kaiser.
is there something I can do about the Waiver forms for medical. Never had medical issues.

Also regarding the pistol course will I need to retake this? I still  have my forms from class.


Thank you

If you truly do not have a doctor, tell HPD you do not have a personal physician.

The handgun safety course affidavit does not expire.

Hey guys, it's been like 4 years since I owned guns in Hawaii, had an AR-15, Glock, and walther. Ended up selling them a while back.
I'd like to purchase a new handgun cause the wife and I miss going to the range, I currently don't have a Doctor until the new year and even the it will be Kaiser.
is there something I can do about the Waiver forms for medical. Never had medical issues.

Also regarding the pistol course will I need to retake this? I still  have my forms from class.


Thank you

pistol class affidavits are permanent
if you don't have a doctor, put no doctor
as long as it's the truth
no one here does anything illegal

If you truly do not have a doctor, tell HPD you do not have a personal physician.

The handgun safety course affidavit does not expire.

Yea I have not had a Doctor in a while, have been unemployed since the pandemic, and won't be able to join my wife's insurance until the beginning of next year which would be Kaiser.   
Thank you for the information. 

pistol class affidavits are permanent
if you don't have a doctor, put no doctor
as long as it's the truth
no one here does anything illegal

No not about anything illegal, just don't have a current medical insurance. But thank you for your help.

If you never saw a psychologist or psychiatrist, they wont red flag you
Even if you did it's not guaranteed that you will get red flagged
Kaiser will send your notes from the psychologist to hpd, and it is up to hpd if they will red flag you
It's not a doctor's call, its hpd's call
Your doctor wont even see hpd's request, it goes to records dept and then they send the psychologists notes to hpd

If you never saw a psychologist or psychiatrist, they wont red flag you
Even if you did it's not guaranteed that you will get red flagged
Kaiser will send your notes from the psychologist to hpd, and it is up to hpd if they will red flag you
It's not a doctor's call, its hpd's call
Your doctor wont even see hpd's request, it goes to records dept and then they send the psychologists notes to hpd

Well I've never seen a psychologist or psychiatrist before, I just remember last time having Kaiser they wouldn't sign any documents.

If you never saw a psychologist or psychiatrist, they wont red flag you
Even if you did it's not guaranteed that you will get red flagged
Kaiser will send your notes from the psychologist to hpd, and it is up to hpd if they will red flag you
It's not a doctor's call, its hpd's call
Your doctor wont even see hpd's request, it goes to records dept and then they send the psychologists notes to hpd

HPD does not get the psychologists reports. I don’t know where that rumor is from, but that’s not true. That would be a violation of medical record privacy rights.

HPD does not get the psychologists reports. I don’t know where that rumor is from, but that’s not true. That would be a violation of medical record privacy rights.

YOu sign the waiver that will release them. IIRC, it's the yellow paper.  Which is a violation upon it's own. Can't get a permit without being forced to disclose medical info.

YOu sign the waiver that will release them. IIRC, it's the yellow paper.  Which is a violation upon it's own. Can't get a permit without being forced to disclose medical info.

That's what I've always thought also.  We are giving them permission to access our medical information.

And it looks like if I say "no" to my confidential medical information, HPD will say "no" to permit.

Sounds like it would be easier to fly to Everett WA this weekend.. There is a gun show happening.
From my time in WA state there is a lot of private sales at most gun shows.
They usually run a background check so nothing is "straw purchased".
You can legally Fed-Ex your guns to yourself.  Then do all the required Hawaii
registration crap.
At my last check price was $258 Alaskan air one way from Kona to Seattle.
 

Sounds like it would be easier to fly to Everett WA this weekend.. There is a gun show happening.
From my time in WA state there is a lot of private sales at most gun shows.
They usually run a background check so nothing is "straw purchased".
You can legally Fed-Ex your guns to yourself. Then do all the required Hawaii
registration crap.
At my last check price was $258 Alaskan air one way from Kona to Seattle.
 

If your ID says you're a Hawaii resident, federal law says all firearms must be sent to a Hawaii FFL.

Generally, for a person to lawfully transfer a firearm to an unlicensed person who resides
out of state, the firearm must be shipped to a federal firearms licensee (FFL) within the
transferee’s state of residence. The transferee may then receive the firearm from the FFL
upon completion of an ATF Form 4473 and a NICS background check.

[One] exception is provided for transfers of firearms to nonresidents to carry out a lawful bequest
or acquisition by intestate succession. This exception would authorize the transfer of a firearm to
a nonresident who inherits a firearm under the will of a decedent.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/whom-may-unlicensed-person-transfer-firearms-under-gca

You can legally Fed-Ex your guns to yourself.

The problem with that statement is they are not legally your guns if you are buying in a state you don't reside in.  They must be shipped to an FFL regardless of whether the seller is an FFL or private seller.

You might find a seller who doesn't check your ID or ask where you live, but that doesn't make the purchase less illegal.  Many of us buying from private sellers would hesitate, since it's not unheard of for the ATF to conduct stings at gun shows to catch sellers and buyers trying to circumvent the laws.

 

If your ID says you're a Hawaii resident, federal law says all firearms must be sent to a Hawaii FFL.
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/whom-may-unlicensed-person-transfer-firearms-under-gca

You can legally Fed-Ex your guns to yourself.

The problem with that statement is they are not legally your guns if you are buying in a state you don't reside in.  They must be shipped to an FFL regardless of whether the seller is an FFL or private seller.

You might find a seller who doesn't check your ID or ask where you live, but that doesn't make the purchase less illegal.  Many of us buying from private sellers would hesitate, since it's not unheard of for the ATF to conduct stings at gun shows to catch sellers and buyers trying to circumvent the laws.

 

I use WA as an example because I have an address and family there,
I also have a tax number with the state.

I did say private sale. 

The hard part is making sure you are not buying
a stolen gun as the police won't run the serial number without you presenting
the gun in person so they can arrest you if it was stolen.  Their cops aren't any
better than Hawaii's.

My point is there are all sorts of ways to get around asking the Hawaii
government for permission to buy a gun, that strictly speaking don't violate
Federal law, you may be violating the intent of that law, but so what,
the laws are un-constitutional anyway.

My example is this, My cousin who lives in a different  state keeps a Colt 45 M1911 pistol  that was
my grandfathers. My grand father gave it to me, there was no paperwork and grandpa is now long dead and gone.
It is not registered  anywhere, it was USA issued to grandpa in WWI.
If I wish to shoot it, My cousin can Fed-Ex my gun to me,  legally,
I'll plink with it for a day or two and send it back.
No Federal, state, or local laws will have been broken.
The intent of the law was pissed all over, but no law was broken.

I haven't actually had him send me the gun but you get the idea.
He shoots it more than I have.

I use WA as an example because I have an address and family there,
I also have a tax number with the state.

I did say private sale. 

The hard part is making sure you are not buying
a stolen gun as the police won't run the serial number without you presenting
the gun in person so they can arrest you if it was stolen.  Their cops aren't any
better than Hawaii's.

My point is there are all sorts of ways to get around asking the Hawaii
government for permission to buy a gun, that strictly speaking don't violate
Federal law, you may be violating the intent of that law, but so what,
the laws are un-constitutional anyway.

My example is this, My cousin who lives in a different  state keeps a Colt 45 M1911 pistol  that was
my grandfathers. My grand father gave it to me, there was no paperwork and grandpa is now long dead and gone.
It is not registered  anywhere, it was USA issued to grandpa in WWI.
If I wish to shoot it, My cousin can Fed-Ex my gun to me,  legally,
I'll plink with it for a day or two and send it back.
No Federal, state, or local laws will have been broken.
The intent of the law was pissed all over, but no law was broken.

I haven't actually had him send me the gun but you get the idea.
He shoots it more than I have.

Based on that scenario, the gun was bequeathed to you by your grandpappy.  That falls under the WA state non-resident exception, based on the ATF blurb I pasted.

So, in that case, you aren't getting around the law at all.  You're applying the law as written.

"Transfer" includes short or long term loans of firearms.  First cousins are in the list which exempts you from background checks in cases of bonafide gifts.  If your cousin is a first cousin, you're still within the scope of existing law by shipping the gun directly between yourself and the cousin without an FFL.

That's what I see in articles and the laws as posted.  This scenario is unique to your situation.  Advising others they can do likewise with a gun they purchase at a gun show would be incorrect in most normal instances.

Nobody here does anything illegal.

https://www.washingtongunlaw.com/transferring-or-selling-firearms

HPD does not get the psychologists reports. I don’t know where that rumor is from, but that’s not true. That would be a violation of medical record privacy rights.

I work at kaiser so I know quite well the exact procedure
Kaiser sends me an exact copy of what hpd gets, and it is in fact the actual notes from the psychologist. Photocopied.
I know the exact procedure. I work there. It is not a rumor, it is fact.

Based on that scenario, the gun was bequeathed to you by your grandpappy.  That falls under the WA state non-resident exception, based on the ATF blurb I pasted.

So, in that case, you aren't getting around the law at all.  You're applying the law as written.

"Transfer" includes short or long term loans of firearms.  First cousins are in the list which exempts you from background checks in cases of bonafide gifts.  If your cousin is a first cousin, you're still within the scope of existing law by shipping the gun directly between yourself and the cousin without an FFL.

That's what I see in articles and the laws as posted.  This scenario is unique to your situation.  Advising others they can do likewise with a gun they purchase at a gun show would be incorrect in most normal instances.

Nobody here does anything illegal.

https://www.washingtongunlaw.com/transferring-or-selling-firearms

Agreed
"Nobody here does anything illegal."

I was just encouraging people to think "outside of the box".
Most familial transfers are quite legal ATF wise.
It is my first cousin.