That's why I said some....I guess u no can read go back skool.

Both sides suck for civil rights in different ways.  Democrats police speech and feelings and republicans religion and your body.

Check that statement junior.
Republicans don’t police religion as far I’ve ever heard, read or seen.
Policies lean toward half their Christian values? Sure.
And I just read. (Is that pronounced read or read ?)

"science"  why is texas one of the few if any civilized places on earth with said science?  The people who wrote the law sure are religious and cite it alot,  maybe its just coincidence.  Its okay religion will protect abortion rights...just like cakes.

Why do you have no arguments other than "If every other nation is willing to jump off a building, then we should, too?"

How do you know the religious beliefs of the bills authors?  You know them all personally?

Nancy Pelosi is Speaker of the House and a self-affirmed Catholic -- as are many Democrats in Congress -- as is Joe Biden.

You seem to be a mindreader, able to pick out which official actions are based on religion, and which are not.  I know I've heard Pelosi invoke her religious beliefs on occasion to rationalize her decisions.  Haven't heard anyone (you) complain yet.

Seems religion is fine until a law is passed you don't agree with -- then you cry "pushing their religious beliefs!"  Grow up.  There will always be an overlap between Christian and other religious teachings with people's jobs.  You can't sterilize the government of religious teachings and values any more than you can rid it of Socialism or Liberalism.  Ideologies exist.  Unless the law is demonstrably about religion, you have no legal basis to argue.

Why do you have no arguments other than "If every other nation is willing to jump off a building, then we should, too?"

How do you know the religious beliefs of the bills authors?  You know them all personally?

Nancy Pelosi is Speaker of the House and a self-affirmed Catholic -- as are many Democrats in Congress -- as is Joe Biden.

You seem to be a mindreader, able to pick out which official actions are based on religion, and which are not.  I know I've heard Pelosi invoke her religious beliefs on occasion to rationalize her decisions.  Haven't heard anyone (you) complain yet.

Seems religion is fine until a law is passed you don't agree with -- then you cry "pushing their religious beliefs!"  Grow up.  There will always be an overlap between Christian and other religious teachings with people's jobs.  You can't sterilize the government of religious teachings and values any more than you can rid it of Socialism or Liberalism.  Ideologies exist.  Unless the law is demonstrably about religion, you have no legal basis to argue.

TBH, IDK why you guys waste your time with him. It's obvious that there is some kind of disability that prevents rational thought. Then add in the inability to admit mistakes, move goal post, make stuff up, all falls under lack of ethics.

If I remember crazy rode a separate bus to school and get let out after everyone else

Check that statement junior.
Republicans don’t police religion as far I’ve ever heard, read or seen.
Policies lean toward half their Christian values? Sure.
And I just read. (Is that pronounced read or read ?)

Sorry if I wasn't clear.  They force religion/religious morals on others. 

Sorry if I wasn't clear.  They force religion/religious morals on others.

Name one thing only Republicans "forced" on you that is purely a religious moral.

Just one.

Both sides suck

'both sides are bad' is the unoriginal pussy way to cop out of a position. Its called False Equivalence, and its what children do when caught in a corner.  keep being lazy and stupid.

Why can't science teach you values?  Its not beneficial for a society scientifically to have murder, rape, crime etc.  From a purely scientific viewpoint that is a hindrance to science.

Sure, science could study humanity and find that certain behaviors hinder society as a whole, but so what? That is still resting on the belief that it is good for society to live longer, have less fear, etc. You can say that rape is bad and that we should outlaw it because it harms society but then you are making the moral judgement that society should not be harmed and at that point you have left the realm of science. Science can say that eating broccoli helps you live longer but it cannot tell you that living longer is a good thing. All you are doing is kicking the can down the road there, you still need to confront the fact that at some point it comes to rest on a metaphysical argument, that it is a belief beyond what science can answer.


Plus what if we could show that rape benefitted society somehow, one could then make the argument that rape should be encouraged.

Einstein, Heisenberg, Oppenheimer all very religious people.  Its a  Long list of very religious scientists who made the big break throughs.


Oppenheimer was VERY distraught he helped invent a device that could end life on earth. Einstein wasnt really pumped about it either.

Does that mean some go against their religion to pursue science ?
They, of all people, knew what they were building.

Interesting question.

Does that mean some go against their religion to pursue science ?
They, of all people, knew what they were building.

Interesting question.

Watch the video again. Right where he tears up... he was convinced by people that it was his 'duty' to create that weapon and he lived to regret it.

They literally didnt know what would happen when the first A-Bomb was detonated. More than half of the scientists thought the chain reaction would never stop and would shatter all matter on earth. There was a lot of regret by those people who figured out how to open a door they later wished they had left closed

'both sides are bad' is the unoriginal pussy way to cop out of a position. Its called False Equivalence, and its what children do when caught in a corner.  keep being lazy and stupid.

Or you don't have to be forced into picking either side and be an independent voter.   Keep being a sheep.

WASHINGTON — A Michigan State University sociologist reports in The Journal of Health and Social Behavior that religious participation affects suicide rates differently around the world, and in Latin America particularly, high religious involvement is associated with low suicide rates.

https://dc.medill.northwestern.edu/blog/2017/07/05/new-study-suggests-religion-affects-suicide-rates-differently-around-the-world/

Religion is good for your mental health.

Sure, science could study humanity and find that certain behaviors hinder society as a whole, but so what? That is still resting on the belief that it is good for society to live longer, have less fear, etc. You can say that rape is bad and that we should outlaw it because it harms society but then you are making the moral judgement that society should not be harmed and at that point you have left the realm of science. Science can say that eating broccoli helps you live longer but it cannot tell you that living longer is a good thing. All you are doing is kicking the can down the road there, you still need to confront the fact that at some point it comes to rest on a metaphysical argument, that it is a belief beyond what science can answer.


Plus what if we could show that rape benefitted society somehow, one could then make the argument that rape should be encouraged.

How is it a moral judgement that something that harms society is bad?  Evolution etc can prove what is good and bad without the moral aspect.  For the continuation of humanity certain actions are favored.   Science indeed says living longer, healthier and smarter is good.  That's the whole point of natural selection. 

https://dc.medill.northwestern.edu/blog/2017/07/05/new-study-suggests-religion-affects-suicide-rates-differently-around-the-world/

Religion is good for your mental health.

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Is suicide bad? 

 

Fuck it. I’m gonna write it out.
WHAT THE FUCK !

Is suicide bad?

Depends on who we're talking about.

 

Fuck it. I’m gonna write it out.
WHAT THE FUCK !

It's a self freedom choice of your own body.   Much like abortion.  👍 it doesn't affect anyone else's freedoms.   I say it's up to choice.  I'm pro euthanasia.   And even selling organs etc.   As the mantra goes, Your body your choice, as long as it doesn't affect anyone else.   

Pretty much all religions agree that the spiritual consequences of suicide are truly awful and it is almost always better to stick it out. Then again those who live a more meaningful life are less likely to throw it away, so the lower suicide numbers for religious people probably have more to do with that.

How is it a moral judgement that something that harms society is bad?  Evolution etc can prove what is good and bad without the moral aspect.  For the continuation of humanity certain actions are favored.   Science indeed says living longer, healthier and smarter is good.  That's the whole point of natural selection.

Because good and bad are subjective.

You asked is suicide bad? Depends who you ask If your goal is to propogate your species then yes it is bad, if it is to reduce the human population then it could be seen as good. If you die in the woods it benefits all the other bugs and animals that are going to come consume your body. If you are the head of the Taliban the US military might wish to take you out but other Taliban would wish you to not be killed.

It all boils down to a subjective moral judgement. You can argue that theft is bad, because it costs someone money, which means they have less to afford food, which means their kids might suffer hunger, which means they might have health problems which means etc etc etc. In the end it all ends up resting upon a subjective moral belief and science cannot prove a subjective thing to be a fact, that is the realm of the supernatural. Otherwise your belief that someone shouldn't be raped are equal to my belief that someone should be raped (not an actual belief of mine) So a real atheist has no real grounds arguing that certain actions are bad and should be made illegal. Richard Dawkins even had to admit this in one of his debates.