Because good and bad are subjective.

You asked is suicide bad? Depends who you ask If your goal is to propogate your species then yes it is bad, if it is to reduce the human population then it could be seen as good. If you die in the woods it benefits all the other bugs and animals that are going to come consume your body. If you are the head of the Taliban the US military might wish to take you out but other Taliban would wish you to not be killed.

It all boils down to a subjective moral judgement. You can argue that theft is bad, because it costs someone money, which means they have less to afford food, which means their kids might suffer hunger, which means they might have health problems which means etc etc etc. In the end it all ends up resting upon a subjective moral belief and science cannot prove a subjective thing to be a fact, that is the realm of the supernatural. Otherwise your belief that someone shouldn't be raped are equal to my belief that someone should be raped (not an actual belief of mine) So a real atheist has no real grounds arguing that certain actions are bad and should be made illegal. Richard Dawkins even had to admit this in one of his debates.

Interesting points.   Suicide would be good for natural selection.  The weak killing themselves off.  So that point doesn't really work.   As for conflicting beliefs that does hold weight. But what if neither side has to be correct.   If both only judged with science one "society" will have the most success. The one with rape and murder is most likely to end itself and the one without will "win". And that can define the rules and laws.   Which would end up being science based.   Animals have no morals yet they have "rules" that they follow. 

Suicide actually takes strength to follow through.

It's the cowards who make the decision to kill themselves but never attempt or keep failing.

I have a tough time labeling people who kill themselves as "weak."

If a soldier throws himself on a grenade to save his teammates, is he weak?

If a man is facing a terminal illness which will end after a few months of agony -- agony he wants to spare his spouse/family/friends, is committing suicide a sign of weakness?

Not all suicides are depressed Millennials wanting to end their lives because Climate Change is going to kill them in 12  11  10  9 years anyway.

Suicide actually takes strength to follow through.

It's the cowards who make the decision to kill themselves but never attempt or keep failing.

I have a tough time labeling people who kill themselves as "weak."

If a soldier throws himself on a grenade to save his teammates, is he weak?

If a man is facing a terminal illness which will end after a few months of agony -- agony he wants to spare his spouse/family/friends, is committing suicide a sign of weakness?

Not all suicides are depressed Millennials wanting to end their lives because Climate Change is going to kill them in 12  11  10  9 years anyway.

Good points maybe weak isn't the best words.  Dying can be good for evolution.  If the death protects more people (soldier example).  Also death itself can be neutral (cancer example) .  As long as your death serves a positive purpose its good for humanity. 

Interesting points.   Suicide would be good for natural selection.  The weak killing themselves off.  So that point doesn't really work.   As for conflicting beliefs that does hold weight. But what if neither side has to be correct.   If both only judged with science one "society" will have the most success. The one with rape and murder is most likely to end itself and the one without will "win". And that can define the rules and laws.   Which would end up being science based.   Animals have no morals yet they have "rules" that they follow.

Good points maybe weak isn't the best words.  Dying can be good for evolution.  If the death protects more people (soldier example).  Also death itself can be neutral (cancer example) .  As long as your death serves a positive purpose its good for humanity. 

I could argue this whole thing…but it’s….
Warped Man !   

Lack of empathy is an indicator of anti-social behavior. Why would anyone associate "fun times" with a person like that?

I could argue this whole thing…but it’s….
Warped Man !   

Exactly. Our society has been dominated by Fundamentalist Materialism and worshippers of Mammon. The results speak for themselves.
We need our religions back and the sooner the better!

Exactly. Our society has been dominated by Fundamentalist Materialism and worshippers of Mammon. The results speak for themselves.
We need our religions back and the sooner the better!

1 example of the lack of jesus.

Im pretty sure he's in the closet about it too.

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Lack of empathy is an indicator of anti-social behavior. Why would anyone associate "fun times" with a person like that?

I'm fairly sociable, are you projecting?   

Sociopath =/= anti-social

Sociopath =/= anti-social

I got a friend who's anti social.  He;s currently in quarantine because he has CV.  He loves it.  No need interact with people daily due to not going to work.  Pretty much a vacation for him.  So far he's fine, so vacation.

I got a friend who's anti social.  He;s currently in quarantine because he has CV.  He loves it.  No need interact with people daily due to not going to work.  Pretty much a vacation for him.  So far he's fine, so vacation.

No desire to interact is different than the inability to interact well in a social environment.

Heck, there are many times, as I've gotten older, that I am 100% fine just cruising by myself.  In fact, there are many times that I look forward to it.  I wouldn't call myself anti-social, but there are times when I look forward to quiet time to veg out by myself.  I do very much enjoy being around friends and family, but not like some friends who were going nuts when we were in the height of shutdown.  I was just fine. 

No desire to interact is different than the inability to interact well in a social environment.

Heck, there are many times, as I've gotten older, that I am 100% fine just cruising by myself.  In fact, there are many times that I look forward to it.  I wouldn't call myself anti-social, but there are times when I look forward to quiet time to veg out by myself.  I do very much enjoy being around friends and family, but not like some friends who were going nuts when we were in the height of shutdown.  I was just fine.

That's age. The older we get, the more we want to stay home and do nothing.  Compared to in the early 20's and go out every night,. Damn hooligans (while shaking fist in the air)

That's age. The older we get, the more we want to stay home and do nothing.  Compared to in the early 20's and go out every night,. Damn hooligans (while shaking fist in the air)

Did you just call me OLD?!?!   

Or lazy?   

Haha.  But I'm both. . .

When I was young all I like do is GO!!

GO, GO, GO!!!

Now as an old fut I still like go. (But only to the bathroom......)

Did you just call me OLD?!?!   

Or lazy?   

Haha.  But I'm both. . .

At least I used "we" and not "you".

When I was young all I like do is GO!!

GO, GO, GO!!!

Now as an old fut I still like go. (But only to the bathroom......)

Yeah, there was a time when I would go out almost every night except for Sunday and maybe Monday.  But that was a LONG tiem ago. 

At least I used "we" and not "you".

You still young.  Your joints don't creek/scream

That video above is disturbing.

Yeah, there was a time when I would go out almost every night except for Sunday and maybe Monday.  But that was a LONG tiem ago. 
You still young.  Your joints don't creek/scream

Funny you should say that, because a few months ago when squatting, the knees started to creek.  And I take a bunch of joint supplements for years and wear knee sleeves.  But age is finally catching up.

That video above is disturbing.

Agreed and they all vote Democrat whether they know it or not.
 

My wife travels mainland for work a lot. And noticed the difference in crackheads up there compared to here.  HI druggies are more chill compared to the mainland.