Where do you guys train with your shotguns?  KHSC rifle side restrict to only slugs.  Can you use HD type shotguns at the skeet and trap bays?

Sorry if dumb question.  I don't own a shotgun (as you can tell).

Another dumb question:  Why only slugs at the rifle side?  Shotguns are relatively short distance weapons.  What could possibly be more of a safety hazard with shot vs. say, a rifle round like 30-06, 308, 7mm, etc.?

Unless there is an entirely other reason besides the shot loads themselves?

I never went hardcore like john wick. But i got some "training" on my friend's private land a couple times with the 870. And at home with about 15 dummy rounds (mixture of a zoom, carlsons, ebay ones) i practice reloads. Havent done it in a while tho, but its muscle memory.

Kokohead lets you shoot buck at the 100 yard burm. Id recommend taking your target off the range. Lol

Kokohead has the skeet or trap shooting section in the back.

Mrs. CMO wants an Elmer Fudd one.

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I have long wanted a nice O/U.  Was looking at Brownings for a while.  I easily get sidetracked by other gun expenses.  AK project, AR optic, and now bolt gun(s). 

I never went hardcore like john wick. But i got some "training" on my friend's private land a couple times with the 870. And at home with about 15 dummy rounds (mixture of a zoom, carlsons, ebay ones) i practice reloads. Havent done it in a while tho, but its muscle memory.

Kokohead lets you shoot buck at the 100 yard burm. Id recommend taking your target off the range. Lol

Kokohead has the skeet or trap shooting section in the back.

It's been a while since I've done training with shottys as well.  One local training/class group has been planning on having shotgun classes, but then COVID. 

When I did reloads with shotgun, I do recall certain shotguns have sharp flap/lever (dunno what the technical term for that part is). 

Mrs. CMO wants an Elmer Fudd one.

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Where do you guys train with your shotguns?  KHSC rifle side restrict to only slugs.  Can you use HD type shotguns at the skeet and trap bays?

Sorry if dumb question.  I don't own a shotgun (as you can tell).

Another dumb question:  Why only slugs at the rifle side?  Shotguns are relatively short distance weapons.  What could possibly be more of a safety hazard with shot vs. say, a rifle round like 30-06, 308, 7mm, etc.?

Unless there is an entirely other reason besides the shot loads themselves?

Front Sight has Tactical Shotgun classes.  Friend of mine went, but I have not yet.  He said it was great!

Shooting slugs for practice is actually better.  If you miss, you learn and correct.  Using a shot shell at 50 yds or more might not teach you as well how to be accurate. 

Also, if you're not practicing at 25 yds or closer, you're practicing to go to prison.  If you're over 75 feet from someone, you aren't likely in immediate danger.  "I saw him across the street in my neighbor's back yard, and it looked like he was aiming his pistol toward me ... so I shot him with 3 rounds of #00 Buckshot."  Yeah ... right!

KHSC has a few 25yd target frame holes for shotgun use.

 

Also, if you're not practicing at 25 yds or closer, you're practicing to go to prison.  If you're over 75 feet from someone, you aren't likely in immediate danger.  "I saw him across the street in my neighbor's back yard, and it looked like he was aiming his pistol toward me ... so I shot him with 3 rounds of #00 Buckshot."  Yeah ... right!

This is the train of thought why I don't have a LVPO and instead have a RDS on my AR. CQB.

I have a benelli m1 and rem870. Also owned mossberg 500.
Id go benelli m4, or the beretta 1301 is 400 cheaper and very similar. Benelli m2 is nice but beretta 1301 is priced similarly and more modern. if i were spending 1300 id go beretta.

I got my benelli used. I wouldnt even recommend an m2 now that the patent expired and cheap stoegers that are identical. My friend got one in 20gauge for his wife and im pretty certain the bolt n barrel has same forge n proof marks as mine.

Quality semi autos that are well broken in have less malfunctions than a pump gun. Theres too much human error in short stroking pump guns when under pressure. And some of the malfunctions that i get in my benelli would happen in the 870 anyway, like when the tip of the hull is bent outwards.

Also there are other benefits from italian guns like chrome lined bores and better steel(and so much nicer looking). My remington receiver and barrel are rust buckets. Barrel is so bad with the cancer i bought another one as a backup. I figure i can only bore hone it so many times. The remington rust pits and gets rough feeling, but the rust from my sweaty left hand on the benelli is just surface cosmetic rust that cleans off easily. I cleaned the remington so many times the black oxide crappy finish wore thru so i painted it. The benelli still has original exterior finish and the bore is a mirror.

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Quality semi autos that are well broken in have less malfunctions than a pump gun. Theres too much human error in short stroking pump guns when under pressure. And some of the malfunctions that i get in my benelli would happen in the 870 anyway, like when the tip of the hull is bent outwards.

That is something that I've noticed as well, mostly in other folks' guns.  I noticed that in the later production 870s (say post 2017ish). 

On the Benelli M2 and M3, I've seen the previous HK iterations here and there.  Sometimes for prices much better than Benelli new.  Yeah, they're used, but many of the folks that had those HK versions seemed to be more "hobbist" folks.  At least from what I've seen.  There are a couple of HK models of the M3 that I had passed on a few times and still kicking myself. 

That is something that I've noticed as well, mostly in other folks' guns.  I noticed that in the later production 870s (say post 2017ish). 

On the Benelli M2 and M3, I've seen the previous HK iterations here and there.  Sometimes for prices much better than Benelli new.  Yeah, they're used, but many of the folks that had those HK versions seemed to be more "hobbist" folks.  At least from what I've seen.  There are a couple of HK models of the M3 that I had passed on a few times and still kicking myself.

HK owners are posers...

Piggy-backing on the comments re: pump action.

I think if one goes with an expensive dual-action shotgun -- both semi and pump in one firearm -- you can have the best of both worlds.

If, however, money is an issue, that's not going to be the best option. 

For pump action, I like the Mossberg 590 I posted.  Mossberg's actions have been engineered to provide a uniquely reliable method of chambering a round.  It also offers an excellent way to load directly into the chamber if the tube is empty. 

I also have a KELTEC KSG that holds 14+1 and is a bullpup design.  If you're looking for home defense shotguns, don't overlook the bullpups.

The KSG is excellent for close quarters.  No long barrel sticking out, and a pistol grip for the trigger hand.  The biggest disadvantage is the need to practice more until you get the pump action  mastered.  People regularly complain they short-stroke it.  That's because the length of pull is so much shorter than a full size shotgun.  Instead of having the support hand extended to the fore grip, allowing a long, smooth pull to rack a shell, your support arm starts on the KSG with it bent at the elbow and pointing more in a downward direction.  You have to seriously manhandle the gun when racking another round since you don't have the same leverage. 

The KSG design requires the carriage  to move past the end of the magazine tubes inside the butt stock before it can grab the next shell.  If you only pull back far enough to eject the expended shell, it's not going to pick up the next one, requiring yet another pump to load a round. 

There are all kinds of reviews of the KSG.  If interested, I'd watch them first and commit to practicing if you decide to get one.  Even if you use dummy shells to just practice cycling the action, you'll be doing yourself a huge favor.

For first timers, I think a "standard" size pump action is better if for home defense.  Having the Mossberg and the KSG gives me options.

Don't get me wrong.  I love the KSG, and I won't hesitate to grab it from the safe if needed.  I'm just saying you should know what you're getting before making a choice.

Mrs. CMO wants an Elmer Fudd one.

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Q. You still out there ?
(It’s not a general question. His user name is Q)

HK  owners that shoot poofpoof are posers...

When I did reloads with shotgun, I do recall certain shotguns have sharp flap/lever (dunno what the technical term for that part is).


I think your referring to the... lift gate aka elevator. ??  This is where mossberg design shines in my opinion. 870 tends to pinch my fatty finger if done wrong.  Can always take some 1k grit sandpaper and smooth it out. I seen people dremel it so its nice and shiny and rounded edges or find a used mariner. Mine is 20ga, so im SOL on a mariner hahahha.

Yeah, i agree with above post about not pumping hard enough. But thats just user error. Just rack it hard. Kinda like how people ride the charging handle on ar15s. Its designed to be worked hard. Let that charging handle go.. or rack that pump like your throwing a left jab with all your 80%  of your strength. Lol.

I would love a semi auto shotty... preferably m2. Nothing wrong with m4 or m3.. just what i would want.

If you order online.. eurooptic.com has this "pay your tax rebate" often. I mustve gotten it 3 times in my email in the past couple months. Its always benellis. Lol. But they just charge for shipping..
But you gotta pay your local ffl fee too. Might be cheaper than in store.

Btw smiddy and wession ..
 just came out with their mp 12 gauge. So similar to the ksg or dp12.

I just seen it on youtube...

I think your referring to the... lift gate aka elevator. ??  This is where mossberg design shines in my opinion. 870 tends to pinch my fatty finger if done wrong.  Can always take some 1k grit sandpaper and smooth it out. I seen people dremel it so its nice and shiny and rounded edges or find a used mariner. Mine is 20ga, so im SOL on a mariner hahahha.

Yeah, that.     Flapper thingy.

Those were on other folks guns. I recall the flapper on the HK (M2 and M3 predecessor) shottys were particularly sharp.  Don't think my buddies would have appreciated me taking some sandpaper to their flappers. . . 

I've shot that Mossberg marine one as well.  I like that shotty as well.  I've seen them run, and run, and run.  To the point where the barrel is hot even with gloves and keeps on going.  I wouldn't mind owning one if I was in the market for a pump.

Those were on other folks guns. I recall the flapper on the HK (M2 and M3 predecessor) shottys were particularly sharp.  Don't think my buddies would have appreciated me taking some sandpaper to their flappers. . . 

 


Yeah, that.     Flapper thingy ..... waiting for sir jackson to chime in on this comment 

Check out some of Paul Harrell's youtube videos and you can decide for yourself on a shotgun. 

He has a distinguished rifleman's badge, if that means anything to you, and he doesn't seem full of himself. 

Check out some of Paul Harrell's youtube videos and you can decide for yourself on a shotgun. 

He has a distinguished rifleman's badge, if that means anything to you, and he doesn't seem full of himself. 

Excellent source of info that wasn't bought and sold by a manufacturer.

Those were on other folks guns. I recall the flapper on the HK (M2 and M3 predecessor) shottys were particularly sharp.  Don't think my buddies would have appreciated me taking some sandpaper to their flappers. . . 

 


Yeah, that.     Flapper thingy ..... waiting for sir jackson to chime in on this comment 

If you're flappy and you know it,  clap your hands!   

Excellent source of info that wasn't bought and sold by a manufacture.

"Manufacture" is a verb.

You're one judgmental SOB.