PM Inspector. He’ll know every brand and what not about 22 ammo.

Ask Dave if I am BSing.

I’m sure Inspector Dave would agree.  Even sounds like him.
And after your post it reminded me, it’s Eley not aguila that is impressive.
That stuff is good. In my rifle anyway. Never tried the other two…yet.
But good point gotta test drive the good stuff if you’re going precision.
Each rifle likes what she likes. Then you gotta keep finding it. Which can be hard. Or buy plenty once you know.
But ammo makes a massive difference as Bushido so aptly pointed out with the car analogy. 

That video was the first I’ve heard about Woox.  They look pretty awesome.  If I go the custom action route, I’ll have to decide to stick with the MPA line, for consistency with my centerfire.  Or use that to try other chassis.  I was considering KRG for the .308, but ended up going with a slightly different MPA chassis.  Decided to not introduce another variable, at least for that gun.  Still have the 6.5 CM to consider, or move the MPA from my current .308 to the 6.5 CM and try another chassis for the “older” .308.  So many options, so limited $$$.   

Yeah it's not as well known as others but l like them. I have the exactus ive tried KRG & XLR for my sako M995 rifles also. I have some manners with the mini chassis system as well. In fact the rifle in the pic with the deer is my son's 6.5x284 with a manners w/mini chassis.

I have a spare NIB woox exactus in Rem 700 DBM SA if you wanted to check out the feel etc jus lmk 

Test adjusting headspace via shims. Wow. Results not THAT telling, but was wondering about equivalent of seating depth for 22. Saw another video of lot testing of same brands of ammo and how it can be different. That was a bit eye opening on this rabbit hole…

Yeah it's not as well known as others but l like them. I have the exactus ive tried KRG & XLR for my sako M995 rifles also. I have some manners with the mini chassis system as well. In fact the rifle in the pic with the deer is my son's 6.5x284 with a manners w/mini chassis.

I have a spare NIB woox exactus in Rem 700 DBM SA if you wanted to check out the feel etc jus lmk 

Thanks. I might be afraid to try and like it. Haha

I will catch a lot of chit for this but.... "Accuracy" is 100% relative. I use this analogy very often,  if you bought a Lamborghini, would you buy your tires from Walmart? Spark plugs from Costco? If you buy or build a high end 22lr rifle, there's NOTHING better than the higher lines of Eley, Lapua and RWS. It depends what your chamber is cut for and what your barrel prefers.  Nothing else will even come close. Many can shoot occasional clover leaf groups at 50y, what are they doing consistently at 100y? I have some very small KYL targets if anyone is willing to prove me wrong.

Ya. I remember having similar convos with Inspector when I found a bunch of 22 ammo from my dad’s stash. All cheaper plonker ammo, but being a true connoisseur, he was interested if I had some older “classic” 22 ammo.

With my centerfire, I can definitely notice differences in consistency of day Remington “match” ammo vs FGMM. Both in velocity on chrono and results on paper. Would assume consistency translates to all ammo, including or maybe even especially in 22 where the margins are might tighter. At least my assumption (no experience really).

I’ve dealt with Primal Rights before. Last was among years ago for a couple of scopes. Some good dudes, with one that used to be quite, uh, abrasive on some forums. It’s been many years that I’ve been on some of those sites, but he seems to have mellowed. Not the guy on this video though.

Thanks. I might be afraid to try and like it. Haha

Lol

Ask Dave if I am BSing.

Hmm, I wonder if saying his name will conjure up the old fogie? 

Hey Dave?  ya there?   

If you buy or build a high end 22lr rifle, there's NOTHING better than the higher lines of Eley, Lapua and RWS. It depends what your chamber is cut for and what your barrel prefers.  Nothing else will even come close.

There may be nothing better, but which gun stores offer these brands of cartridges? I have only visited four stores so far, and most only carry Federal. Do we have to pull this ammo in from a mainland dealer?

There may be nothing better, but which gun stores offer these brands of cartridges? I have only visited four stores so far, and most only carry Federal. Do we have to pull this ammo in from a mainland dealer?

Precovid, WGS and Young Guns had them. IDK about now.  And precovid, 22 guys would place a bulk order as well.

Precovid, WGS and Young Guns had them. IDK about now.  And precovid, 22 guys would place a bulk order as well.

I've been meaning to check out WGS for some stuff, as well as for the meat jun in the place near them. 

From my experience:

WGS: past few months sometimes has 22. Early pandemic they were selling old stock of Aguila SE SV 2 at a time.
Youngs: old stock fancy 22 (Eley mostly). Random assortment of other 22, leaning to Federal
Prime Sports: occasional 22, on consignment I think. Last time I saw CCI MiniMags at $25/100
JHara: any rimfire you like so long as it's not 22LR. I picked up a bunch of CCI 22 Short recently because it's great in my kid's Rascal. I forgot: they have plenty Aguila Colibri.

Test adjusting headspace via shims. Wow. Results not THAT telling, but was wondering about equivalent of seating depth for 22. Saw another video of lot testing of same brands of ammo and how it can be different. That was a bit eye opening on this rabbit hole…

Headspace for 22lr makes a humungous difference in my experience. Way too much to explain. Just think about it, centerfire you can fire form the brass to your chamber then bump the shoulder to your exact preference, rimfire is once fired and done.

Seating depth, that is why chambers are cut to certain brands of ammo. Basically Lapua or Eley. Like centerfire, factory chambers are cut "loose". When you start going down the rabbit hole, there are many different chambers --- Match, Bentz, Kidd, Lapua, Eley, etc...... Most well known rimfire gunsmiths all have their own

Some are loading their own 22lr now. They are buying primed brass from Lapua or Eley, they have specific bullets, dies are available. Mostly the guys doing ELR/ 500 plus are experimenting with this but it is the future IMO. Now they can get the ES way down which will hugley improve their waterline. BCs can be improved with different bullets. The sky is the limit. Many shooters have been modifying factory ammo for decades

You sure you want to go down that hole? 

Headspace for 22lr makes a humungous difference in my experience. Way too much to explain. Just think about it, centerfire you can fire form the brass to your chamber then bump the shoulder to your exact preference, rimfire is once fired and done.

Seating depth, that is why chambers are cut to certain brands of ammo. Basically Lapua or Eley. Like centerfire, factory chambers are cut "loose". When you start going down the rabbit hole, there are many different chambers --- Match, Bentz, Kidd, Lapua, Eley, etc...... Most well known rimfire gunsmiths all have their own

Some are loading their own 22lr now. They are buying primed brass from Lapua or Eley, they have specific bullets, dies are available. Mostly the guys doing ELR/ 500 plus are experimenting with this but it is the future IMO. Now they can get the ES way down which will hugley improve their waterline. BCs can be improved with different bullets. The sky is the limit. Many shooters have been modifying factory ammo for decades

You sure you want to go down that hole? 

Yeah.  I wasn’t saying it didn’t matter, but more that the subtle differences in that video seemed to be quite fine steps and differences were noticeable.  But more that I don’t think I’m ready for that.  One of the reasons why I held off getting into loading for centerfire was that I knew I would likely dive in quite deep.  I mean I did, but I think the component shortage actually helped me from going overboard.  However, I can change stuff like powder charge and seating depth on my own, but the shim thing or head spacing /chambering to a specific ammo seems, well, daunting.  Where I’m thinking it may be better for me to stick to budget first (toe in the pool) before going custom (dive right in). 

I have been watching more videos of Rimx, Vudoo, etc.  As well as reading on the Hide and venturing into Rimfire Central.  On one hand, the setting up guns seems very intriguing, which is why I am so “far gone” into the .308 and soon 6.5 CM.  I do think a lot of the fun is trying and learning along the way.  Which I certainly am with centerfire, and have done with handguns and ARs. 

It’s funny though.  The more I warn myself off about walking along the edge of the rabbit hole, the more I feel the pull.  Maybe in a way “good” thing I’m so busy and also have the centerfire stuff in the works.  Otherwise, I think I would already be free falling in the rimfire thing. Heck, I’m even researching places to find 22 lr ammo for an upcoming trip to the mainland.   

Oh the Anschutz in the XLR chassis is something I've had my eye on for a bit. I'm just waiting for Chapo to sell me his Anschutz/Kelby Trainer. 

Hahaha.....  Pretty soon Chapo gonna get rid of his Anschutz Trainer, to go down the black hole a little deeper. All that rifle needs is a little tweaking
on the bedding, because it has none....also maybe a pillar....

 I'm really thinking of a Vudoo Single-shot action/Custom build too.

Talking about premium ammo, the higher-priced ammo is very consistent, without flyers.  Eley Match (black box) and Lapua Center-X is real good, but Eley Tenex (red box) and
Lapua Midas+ is better; always shoots in a tight group without flyers if the shooter does his part.  Lapua X-Act is probably the highest-priced at $25.00+ for a box of 50, reaching
centerfire ammo prices.

Shooting premium ammo in Anschutz actions with match barrels, with BR scopes, on good shooting rests, really eliminates the known variables, leaving the biggest unknown - the shooter himself.

Of course, like Bushido says, you have to match the ammo with the rifle - sometimes the pairings are really good, sometimes - meh............

Headspace for 22lr makes a humungous difference in my experience. Way too much to explain. Just think about it, centerfire you can fire form the brass to your chamber then bump the shoulder to your exact preference, rimfire is once fired and done.

Seating depth, that is why chambers are cut to certain brands of ammo. Basically Lapua or Eley. Like centerfire, factory chambers are cut "loose". When you start going down the rabbit hole, there are many different chambers --- Match, Bentz, Kidd, Lapua, Eley, etc...... Most well known rimfire gunsmiths all have their own

Headspace makes a huge difference on POI and how a particular lot of ammo shoots.  I have 3 "go" headspace gauges for 22LR: 0.043 (regular), 0.042(hard strike), and 0.044(light strike).  Some ammo that shot well on regular, shoots bad on a hard strike, but shoots pretty good with a light strike...... haven't reached a conclusion on what's good or bad yet.

My Shilen barrels on Anschutz 54 actions are match-chambered for the RWS R50 round by the Anschutz shop.
My Lilja barrel on an Anschutz 54 (2013) is chambered for the Eley Match EPS round by Lilja Barrels.
My soon-to-arrive Benchmark barrel (3-groove) is chambered with a Nevius chamber favored by some BR shooters on the mainland.
Chapo's Turbo3 BR has a Lapua Center-X chamber, as requested, and shoots well with that ammo..............

These chambers all have a hard time even chambering CCI SV RN 40gr rounds, and cannot close the bolt over one of these.

Pound the table?  I've shot triggers where if I sneezed when I had the trigger prepped, it would go off.  I'm exaggerating, but not by much.
Super light was one of my first experiences shooting bolt action.  It was a strange two stage trigger, where there were two bars/levers (best I can remember).  Anyways, the second/last was glass, but super light!

All my Anschutz BR rifles are reconfigured from 2-stage triggers to single-stage triggers, down to 2oz pulls. Steve Boelter (Anschutz) did this to my last 2 rifles, and taught me how to reconfigure the triggers on my
other rifles.

It will not go off by pounding the Kokohead bench table, but the lightest touch of the trigger will set it off.

Chapo's Turbo3 BR has even a lighter trigger than mine, but I can't shoot it that light, even though I'm used to 2oz triggers..............

Headspace makes a huge difference on POI and how a particular lot of ammo shoots.  I have 3 "go" headspace gauges for 22LR: 0.043 (regular), 0.042(hard strike), and 0.044(light strike).  Some ammo that shot well on regular, shoots bad on a hard strike, but shoots pretty good with a light strike...... haven't reached a conclusion on what's good or bad yet.

I hear some favor .044" IME that's loose. It may shoot everything and anything like a sporter chamber but I like .042". If you relate this to the centerfire crowd, 42 is like a "jam". There will be a preload of sorts on the rim with it.

As far as "freebore" that'll depend on the reamer used and the ammo. I'm sure with your Aniies, if you chamber certain ammo then carefully eject that round, you will see light marks on the bullet. I hear many of the bolt gun precision gunsmiths cut their chambers to have the bullet lightly "jammed" in the lands as do some reloaders. I would be curious to try that on Fuj's Cachon chamber. I wonder if semi autos prefer the same especially with a blow back bolt?

IMO reamers, chambers, headspace, etc... is far, far, far above what most rimfire shooters should be concerned with. We have experienced that many will hesitate to purchase midrange ammo like RWS Orange, Yellow, SK, Wolf, etc... Personally I don't understand how some will spend 2, 3, 4, 5 grand on a rifle but are unwilling to feed it good ammo (Go back to my Ferrari reference).

Chapo's Turbo3 BR has even a lighter trigger than mine, but I can't shoot it that light, even though I'm used to 2oz triggers..............

Isn't it a Bix'N Andy BR trigger at sub 1oz? Yes it was too light for me, unpredictable.