Oh and drck1000: When I compared wind drift before the 190gr at 2800fps was based on 300WinMag.

Ahh, ok.  2800 fps for .308 is zooming those suckers!   

No guarantee on the first, both shooting their rifles (if they are so gracious to offer) or even buying one of them. . . 

That said, I don't want to shoot your rifles.  But one day, we can do small kine competition. 

Funny you mention that, I'm pretty sure esk has at least one Anschutz BR for sell maybe even two. I'll let people try my rifles but I'm a skinny dude so my cheek piece and scope is not set up for avg sized shooter. Lot of times when other shooters get behind my rifles all they see is black then again that just may be the damn rabbit hole.....

I'm down for any type of competition. Inspector and I have tried a few times, not may have posted their targets. Funny I saw people shooting them at the range but few posted. I honestly haven't shot any precision in a really long time. This plandemic caused my pistol skills to go embarrassingly poor, been working on that mostly

My philosophy: Keep it cheap, you'll shoot more and get better faster. Once you can outshoot the cheap stuff then spend serious money.

This is a big reason why I'm promoting 200 yards at Koko Head. I want to see how the big bucks rifles do out there. Then again, I wouldn't blame a guy for not wanting to put a ton of Lapua Center-X snd such down range. Already the "cheap" stuff I'm playing with is about $0.15 per shot.

So the philosophy with shooting "cheap" ammo is... how do you know if the misses are ammo or shooter? What is considered "accurate" for each shooter?  I don't shoot "groups" I don't believe in "fliers", it's shooter. Than again I don't really shoot low end stuff. Mid range or better.

I use to shoot 200 and further on the silhouette side years ago. I never told the RSOs I was doing it and was discrete about it. I go there often but haven't brought the rifles out aside from carbines and off hand rifles. If they would allow it, I'm down.

Funny you mention that, I'm pretty sure esk has at least one Anschutz BR for sell maybe even two. I'll let people try my rifles but I'm a skinny dude so my cheek piece and scope is not set up for avg sized shooter. Lot of times when other shooters get behind my rifles all they see is black then again that just may be the damn rabbit hole.....

I'm down for any type of competition. Inspector and I have tried a few times, not may have posted their targets. Funny I saw people shooting them at the range but few posted. I honestly haven't shot any precision in a really long time. This plandemic caused my pistol skills to go embarrassingly poor, been working on that mostly

Yeah, I saw his post.  Damn fine rifle.  It would be like having a teenager who just got his license having a parent buy him a Maybach or Aston Martin. 

I know what you mean about gun setup.  Even for similar builds, face shape or even personal preference can make a big difference.  A buddy met me at the range many months back.  I was shooting my .308 and he his .22.  He shot my rifle and when I shot after him, the gun just felt off.  Couldn't place it, but I couldn't get the eye relief just right.  I didn't notice that he tweaked both the comb height and LOP.  I have the settings in clicks logged, so I could change it back quickly. 

I'm always down for a bit of competition.  I've been meaning to shoot and post targets for the MOA challenge thread, but just haven't been able to.  I have targets with (5) - 5 shot groups, but those are all different test loads.  My new .308 and 6.5 should be shipping later this month and CZ 457 hopefully here well before that. 

Pistol skills is certainly a perishable skill.  I haven't pistol as much the past many months either.  Hopefully things start to ease up and we can all hit the range more. 

As Teichi posted further up, 11/7 is the smallbore match. All are welcome: https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=41141.0

Once I'm done with the match I'll be moving to the big bore side for some 200 yard action. All are welcome there also.

Yeah, I saw his post.  Damn fine rifle.  It would be like having a teenager who just got his license having a parent buy him a Maybach or Aston Martin. 

I know what you mean about gun setup.  Even for similar builds, face shape or even personal preference can make a big difference.  A buddy met me at the range many months back.  I was shooting my .308 and he his .22.  He shot my rifle and when I shot after him, the gun just felt off.  Couldn't place it, but I couldn't get the eye relief just right.  I didn't notice that he tweaked both the comb height and LOP.  I have the settings in clicks logged, so I could change it back quickly. 

I'm always down for a bit of competition.  I've been meaning to shoot and post targets for the MOA challenge thread, but just haven't been able to.  I have targets with (5) - 5 shot groups, but those are all different test loads.  My new .308 and 6.5 should be shipping later this month and CZ 457 hopefully here well before that. 

Pistol skills is certainly a perishable skill.  I haven't pistol as much the past many months either.  Hopefully things start to ease up and we can all hit the range more.

It's funny because esk and our group has seen each other all evolve. I remember when I first met esk he told me he shot 22lr because it was cheap. I smiled and walked away. 

LMK I used to shoot a lot of online matches because nobody would shoot down here. I have some challenging targets that'll humble most. I'm the type that likes to be pushed past my comfort zone. FB had a bunch that I used to shoot but since NRL22 took off in the states, there's not much anymore. Well I rarely FB now so if there was i wouldn't know about them.

Pistol skills are coming back. It was good to be humbled

As Teichi posted further up, 11/7 is the smallbore match. All are welcome: https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=41141.0

Once I'm done with the match I'll be moving to the big bore side for some 200 yard action. All are welcome there also.

I will shoot the smallbore match sometime. I just always have stuff to do plus I suck at off hand shooting but that's how we get better right?

I need to meet everyone.  Just getting started in 22lr and would welcome input from experienced shooters.  Got the ok from the wife to buy a Vudoo in 2022.  Unless I opt for another build, I’ll put my order in June/July.  Just got my CZ and already looking at barrels after just a few times at the range.  Got some match ammo coming in Dec so I’ll see how the rifle shoots with better stuff.

It's funny because esk and our group has seen each other all evolve. I remember when I first met esk he told me he shot 22lr because it was cheap. I smiled and walked away. 

CHEAP.   HAH.   

Today, just bought 5 bricks of 22LR, Lapua Midas+ for $18.05  per box of 50 rounds $902.50 ammo + $42.16 shipping to North Dakota.
By the time it gets to Hawaii, going to be about $20 per box of 50 rounds = $0.40 per round.

I was actually very excited today that I actually found some Lapua Midas+ to buy, after being out of stock at every website for months upon months.

$0.40 per round probably more than some centerfire rounds, but this is one of the premium 22LR rounds.  It shoots good in my rifles.

Yes, when I started shooting 22LR at Kokohead, I did it because the rounds were cheap and no need to reload.  HAH   

Got the ok from the wife to buy a Vudoo in 2022.  Unless I opt for another build, I’ll put my order in June/July. 

You thinking what I'm thinking...............    Me too.

Thinking of a Vudoo V22s,single-shot 22LR (or Stiller's 2500x action), Lidgard BR stock, Bix 'n Andy competition trigger, Muller barrel, match chamber reamed to Eley EPS bullet or a Nevius 22LR chamber, and sent to
someone to build it for me........ probably take 6 months > 2 years..............

It's funny because esk and our group has seen each other all evolve. I remember when I first met esk he told me he shot 22lr because it was cheap. I smiled and walked away. 

LMK I used to shoot a lot of online matches because nobody would shoot down here. I have some challenging targets that'll humble most. I'm the type that likes to be pushed past my comfort zone. FB had a bunch that I used to shoot but since NRL22 took off in the states, there's not much anymore. Well I rarely FB now so if there was i wouldn't know about them.

Pistol skills are coming back. It was good to be humbled

Yeah, I can see the evolution aspect.  When I first got into firearms, I just wanted to hit the range and stuff.  Then I became friends with some folks who were into the training and competition aspect, and went full bore into that.  Then came ARs and the Black Rifle Disease.  Somewhat similar story about folks who were well down that path giving me advice.  I listened to a lot, but some had to find out for myself.  Expensive lessons in many cases.  I probably got similar "smile and walk away" thoughts from those who I went to at first.  Stuff like "the gun will be the cheap part of this".  I learned that lesson a lonnnngggg time ago. 

I have no problems posting targets.  Even horrible ones.  When training, I tell myself and those I train with that the target is what it is.  It's done, but can always learn from it.  Definitely agree with the needing to push past comfort zone, or at least to push the boundary and find it, in order to grow, improve, etc. 

At one point, I shot in classes with some VERY good shooters.  Instructors and students alike.  Good to line up next to them and just absorb.  There were many times were I saw an instructor demonstrate something, like say a cadence drill with a 21+1 magazine, where the "typical" was 5 or 6 shot cadence strings of fire.  Jaw, on, ground. . . 

I need to meet everyone.  Just getting started in 22lr and would welcome input from experienced shooters.  Got the ok from the wife to buy a Vudoo in 2022.  Unless I opt for another build, I’ll put my order in June/July.  Just got my CZ and already looking at barrels after just a few times at the range.  Got some match ammo coming in Dec so I’ll see how the rifle shoots with better stuff.

I should have my 22 rifle middle of next week.  Not sure when the scope base will come in, but I think next week sometime.  I already have a scope and some ammo, so should be good to go soon. 

Oooooh, Vudoo!  I was looking at them and a few other higher end rifles, somewhat/partially seriously.  Going with stock CZ for now, but I wouldn't put money against me posting about upgrades or even going custom rifle before too long.   

You thinking what I'm thinking...............    Me too.

Thinking of a Vudoo V22s,single-shot 22LR (or Stiller's 2500x action), Lidgard BR stock, Bix 'n Andy competition trigger, Muller barrel, match chamber reamed to Eley EPS bullet or a Nevius 22LR chamber, and sent to
someone to build it for me........ probably take 6 months > 2 years..............

You too?  With all these high(er) end 22 rifles folks getting, going to be tough to resist the call of the dark side.   

The longer lead aspect of those higher end rifles was also a turnoff, at least for me right now where I want something soon. 

slippy slope...

Yeah, I can see the evolution aspect.  When I first got into firearms, I just wanted to hit the range and stuff.  Then I became friends with some folks who were into the training and competition aspect, and went full bore into that.  Then came ARs and the Black Rifle Disease.  Somewhat similar story about folks who were well down that path giving me advice.  I listened to a lot, but some had to find out for myself.  Expensive lessons in many cases.  I probably got similar "smile and walk away" thoughts from those who I went to at first.  Stuff like "the gun will be the cheap part of this".  I learned that lesson a lonnnngggg time ago. 

I have no problems posting targets.  Even horrible ones.  When training, I tell myself and those I train with that the target is what it is.  It's done, but can always learn from it.  Definitely agree with the needing to push past comfort zone, or at least to push the boundary and find it, in order to grow, improve, etc. 

At one point, I shot in classes with some VERY good shooters.  Instructors and students alike.  Good to line up next to them and just absorb.  There were many times were I saw an instructor demonstrate something, like say a cadence drill with a 21+1 magazine, where the "typical" was 5 or 6 shot cadence strings of fire.  Jaw, on, ground. . . 

Premium 22LR AMMO BECOMING AVAILABLE, SLOWLY SLOWLY

Just visited a few favorite websites to search for premium 22LR ammo for DRCK 1000.
Found that ammo not available a few days ago, are available today.


https://goodshootinginc.com/product-category/rimfire-ammunition/             best place but not much, only few brands available
https://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/category/categoryId/378                   good place, but nothing good today
https://www.killoughshootingsports.com/       all kinds of Eley and Tenex available.  I think Killough is an importer or major distributor of Eley
https://www.anschutznorthamerica.com/uploads/1/9/9/7/19975381/rws_retail_price_list_110121_list.pdf       Exclusive importer of RWS, but nothing today
https://www.creedmoorsports.com/category/rimfire-ammunition                 I just got Midas+ from them
http://www.champchoice.com/store/main.aspx?p=categoryitemlistBody&c=APRA              Lapua Center-X, and a few available
http://www.brunoshooters.com    All sorts available

Have to order and have them send it to Kaleo Arms in North Dakota, who will then put it on a pallet and ship to Hawaii, almost every month nowadays.
1 Brick minimum, and ask Jennifer to ship for you to Hawaii.      admin@kaleoarms.com

slippy slope...

Meh, I'm regularly sliding full speed down the rabbit hole.  Being busy with work puts the brakes on my slide down that slope.   

Talked with Kaleo arms and they said the pallet should ship on 11/19.  Need to order asap

Talked with Kaleo arms and they said the pallet should ship on 11/19.  Need to order asap

Thanks!  Yeah, I emailed and Jen replied.  I'm working on it. . . 

drck1000 and Akubone1,,

We should talk story between live-fire cycles at Kokohead.

Bushido, 556fun, and I usually on the left-side of the rifle range.

Me and 556fun usually there if prediction is "little or no wind".  (We no like waste ammo.  Or  We just lazy)

Bushido says "wind is my friend" on the prone shooting area.

Talked with Kaleo arms and they said the pallet should ship on 11/19.  Need to order asap

They bring in any 22s at a reasonable price? Last a checked, Jen said things were around 15 cpr