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"Own research" 😂

That's how flat earthers think too.

After killing so many people with MRNA it’s not likely there will every be another successful mass vaccination again, at least not in our lifetime. Faith in science and modern medicine is now in serious jeopardy.

So many killings? How many people have died from the mrna vaccines? Not died after taking them but actually died because of them? v

So many killings? How many people have died from the mrna vaccines? Not died after taking them but actually died because of them? v

Impossible to say right now because health care workers have been threatened and silenced.
What has slipped through the cracks is horrifying. Any other product would have been pulled off the market already.
In fact they have been in several countries.

The governments knew back in May what was happening, which is when they started pushing mandatory 100% vaccination rates.
If we all get poisoned then there is no control group, and they can blame the mass deaths on a new strain.

But but but if it saved one person it would be worth it…. 🤦‍♂️ 🤦‍♂️ 🤦‍♂️

Impossible to say right now because health care workers have been threatened and silenced.
What has slipped through the cracks is horrifying. Any other product would have been pulled off the market already.
In fact they have been in several countries.

The governments knew back in May what was happening, which is when they started pushing mandatory 100% vaccination rates.
If we all get poisoned then there is no control group, and they can blame the mass deaths on a new strain.

Fake news.

But but but if it saved one person it would be worth it…. 🤦‍♂️ 🤦‍♂️ 🤦‍♂️

It has saved more than one person.   Even yalls lord and savior Trump.

Impossible to say right now because health care workers have been threatened and silenced.
What has slipped through the cracks is horrifying. Any other product would have been pulled off the market already.
In fact they have been in several countries.

The governments knew back in May what was happening, which is when they started pushing mandatory 100% vaccination rates.
If we all get poisoned then there is no control group, and they can blame the mass deaths on a new strain.

I know another group of people who controlled the flow of information...."it's not the same, dont compare the holocaust to covid".

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Impossible to say right now because health care workers have been threatened and silenced.
What has slipped through the cracks is horrifying. Any other product would have been pulled off the market already.
In fact they have been in several countries.

The governments knew back in May what was happening, which is when they started pushing mandatory 100% vaccination rates.
If we all get poisoned then there is no control group, and they can blame the mass deaths on a new strain.

The problem with an argument of "the numbers are really high but it is just being kept secret" is that it can never be proven or disproven. All kinds of go nowhere arguments can be made about anything.

I am the rightful heir to the royal throne of England, the royal family is just hiding my geneology records.

The problem with an argument of "the numbers are really high but it is just being kept secret" is that it can never be proven or disproven. All kinds of go nowhere arguments can be made about anything.

I am the rightful heir to the royal throne of England, the royal family is just hiding my geneology records.

Any other drugs with this abominable safety profile would have been pulled off the market months ago. Plenty have been yanked for only two or three questionable deaths, never mind tens of thousands. This is a huge red flag and the fact that you are blowing it off makes you sound like the rest of the partisan hacks who would gladly destroy pleb lives for big pharma profits, then try and cover up their mistake with an act that can only be described as mass murder.

Any other drugs with this abominable safety profile would have been pulled off the market months ago. Plenty have been yanked for only two or three questionable deaths, never mind tens of thousands. This is a huge red flag and the fact that you are blowing it off makes you sound like the rest of the partisan hacks who would gladly destroy pleb lives for big pharma profits, then try and cover up their mistake with an act that can only be described as mass murder.

Look at what they did with the J&J vaccine, they halted it for a few weeks because of a few reports of clotting problems. They studied the cases and allowed it to continue to be administered because they found the risk to be so low.

You have to keep it in perspective as well, what vaccine has ever been administered in such levels and under such politicization? How many people knew about VAERS before covid? It is entirely possible the VAERS reports are so much higher merely for the fact that so many people know about it and because it is so politicized.

Even if 6,000 people really did die from the vaccine that is a much smaller number than the amount of Americans who have died from Covid. There is no completely safe option, we just try to choose the option with lower risk and all available data shows that the vaccine is a much much lower risk than covid (aside from certain select groups).

Look at what they did with the J&J vaccine, they halted it for a few weeks because of a few reports of clotting problems. They studied the cases and allowed it to continue to be administered because they found the risk to be so low.

You have to keep it in perspective as well, what vaccine has ever been administered in such levels and under such politicization? How many people knew about VAERS before covid? It is entirely possible the VAERS reports are so much higher merely for the fact that so many people know about it and because it is so politicized.

Even if 6,000 people really did die from the vaccine that is a much smaller number than the amount of Americans who have died from Covid. There is no completely safe option, we just try to choose the option with lower risk and all available data shows that the vaccine is a much much lower risk than covid (aside from certain select groups).

"certain select groups"
please show the data that shows which groups these are...

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Even if 6,000 people really did die from the vaccine that is a much smaller number than the amount of Americans who have died from Covid. There is no completely safe option, we just try to choose the option with lower risk and all available data shows that the vaccine is a much much lower risk than covid (aside from certain select groups).

That’s not how it works. When you get this many red flags the proper procedure is to pull he dangerous drugs off the market and figure out what’s going on.. Instead they continue to be mandated for people not at risk even though it’s clear now that they eventually make the disease worse.

"certain select groups"
please show the data that shows which groups these are...

The one I was thinking about was the young/teenage boys where they found the risk of myocarditis from the vaccine to be higher than the risk of covid. So they are more likely to have a serious health problem related to the vaccine than they are from covid. This is the reason I am currently not planning on getting my kids vaccinated once they hit 12 or if a vaccine is approved for under that age, at least not until more data comes out. Now from the explanations I have heard this problem may be solved by decreasing the dose size but I hadn't seen them actually test that theory yet. Also one other thing to add is that myocarditis can also be a side effect of a covid infection (just adding that one for context when people discuss myocarditis)

I will say that in all the complaining and fear there is surrounding both this vaccine and vaccines in general, I think people who participate in the trials  are rather brave. We complain about this being a new type of virus and we only have about a year of data on it but they signed up without even that much data.

I haven't read or hear of any other groups where the vaccine risk was higher than the covid risk but I made it plural just in case there were any other groups.

That’s not how it works. When you get this many red flags the proper procedure is to pull he dangerous drugs off the market and figure out what’s going on.. Instead they continue to be mandated for people not at risk even though it’s clear now that they eventually make the disease worse.

What was the proportion of reports to doses administered though?

And we still have the issue of how do we filter out all these reports from the increase of people reporting because they know about this where they didn't know about it before?

If Vaccine A had 100,000 doses administered with a report of 10 deaths reported as possibly related and Vaccine B had 10,000,000 doses administered with a total of 1,000 deaths as possibly related then getting scared of the large number is just irrational emotions because the percentages are the same. We know that a certain number of people will die every day, month, year in this country. Almost 3 million people dye every year in this country and if you are vaccinating more than half the entire population in one year there are going to be a heck of a lot of people who die after having gotten the shot just by sheer averages. We have correlation but we are lacking any evidence of causation between the vaccine and these deaths. I think that in a few rare cases they have been able to say the vaccine played a role in the death but nowhere near that 6,000.

What was the proportion of reports to doses administered though?

And we still have the issue of how do we filter out all these reports from the increase of people reporting because they know about this where they didn't know about it before?

If Vaccine A had 100,000 doses administered with a report of 10 deaths reported as possibly related and Vaccine B had 10,000,000 doses administered with a total of 1,000 deaths as possibly related then getting scared of the large number is just irrational emotions because the percentages are the same. We know that a certain number of people will die every day, month, year in this country. Almost 3 million people dye every year in this country and if you are vaccinating more than half the entire population in one year there are going to be a heck of a lot of people who die after having gotten the shot just by sheer averages. We have correlation but we are lacking any evidence of causation between the vaccine and these deaths. I think that in a few rare cases they have been able to say the vaccine played a role in the death but nowhere near that 6,000.

Those are good made-up numbers.  The question is not whether the vaccine is safe enough.  The question is whether the government or the individual has the ultimate decision-making power to administer the injection.

Pushing for or against the vaccine itself should not be the issue, but because there are places, companies and governments mandating it, it's become the main argument.

Those are good made-up numbers. 

Thank you. I figured those nice round numbers would illustrate my point well.

The question is not whether the vaccine is safe enough.  The question is whether the government or the individual has the ultimate decision-making power to administer the injection.

100% agree with you but  Hvybarrels argument was concerning the safety/danger of the vaccine so my reply was addressing that aspect.

Pushing for or against the vaccine itself should not be the issue, but because there are places, companies and governments mandating it, it's become the main argument.

I was worried they would mandate the vaccine and I was right. I very strongly feel that they should only have ever used positive encouragement to convince people to get the vaccine and not any form of negative reinforcement. Once they start forcing it I think there are quite a lot of people who were considering taking it but now are against it.

The one I was thinking about was the young/teenage boys where they found the risk of myocarditis from the vaccine to be higher than the risk of covid. So they are more likely to have a serious health problem related to the vaccine than they are from covid. This is the reason I am currently not planning on getting my kids vaccinated once they hit 12 or if a vaccine is approved for under that age, at least not until more data comes out. Now from the explanations I have heard this problem may be solved by decreasing the dose size but I hadn't seen them actually test that theory yet. Also one other thing to add is that myocarditis can also be a side effect of a covid infection (just adding that one for context when people discuss myocarditis)

I will say that in all the complaining and fear there is surrounding both this vaccine and vaccines in general, I think people who participate in the trials  are rather brave. We complain about this being a new type of virus and we only have about a year of data on it but they signed up without even that much data.

I haven't read or hear of any other groups where the vaccine risk was higher than the covid risk but I made it plural just in case there were any other groups.

so you lied...

please show where "all available data shows that the vaccine is a much much lower risk than covid"

so you lied...

Non sequitur.
There was no lie, my statement was only trying to to account for possible unknowns. There could be some other group in which the vaccine would be more dangerous than covid but I don't know about this group. Thus rather than say there was only one group I allowed for more groups since I don't know everything on the subject.

please show where "all available data shows that the vaccine is a much much lower risk than covid"

I am not going to go and post a link to every single data source out there here for you. If you want a link that shows the general risk of dying from covid compared to the general risk of dying from the vaccine then I can find one for you.

Non sequitur.
There was no lie, my statement was only trying to to account for possible unknowns. There could be some other group in which the vaccine would be more dangerous than covid but I don't know about this group. Thus rather than say there was only one group I allowed for more groups since I don't know everything on the subject.



I am not going to go and post a link to every single data source out there here for you. If you want a link that shows the general risk of dying from covid compared to the general risk of dying from the vaccine then I can find one for you.

so you state unequivocally "all available data" and then you want to link "general risk"?
awesome...

so you state unequivocally "all available data" and then you want to link "general risk"?
awesome...

It kind of makes you wonder what apologists for the original Holocaust sounded like

“You guys a are blowing this out of proportion. We are putting Jews on trains for their own safety and the greater good of society. Anybody who thinks different is an unhinged conspiracy theorist.”