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6716J

LGS support for vaxxpass
« on: September 10, 2021, 04:11:42 PM »
We as a community are supposed to be supporting people's rights. It's right in the title of the group, 2AHawaii. But are we going to be selective in which rights we support? Only the 2nd? 1st and 2nd? What about the 4th, 5th, 9th and 10th Amendments? We as people surly have the rights to be secure in our possessions and papers (4th). Right against self incrimination (5th). And my personal favorite, the 9th (The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.) and the 10th (states rights and down to the people).

So the question is going to all the local gun shops.

Will you support and enforce the new vaxxpass mandate or will you support people's choice to not supply the info?

I already know the answer for 808GunClub. They're throwing us in the fire and will comply with the Mayor's mandate. That is their right as a business and I support their choice. I just don't agree. As such I'll make sure to vote with my wallet and they will never see a penny from me. And they probably don't care either.

My wish is that every LGS will publicly voice their opposition and their stance, but assume they won't.



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Flapp_Jackson

Re: LGS support for vaxxpass
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2021, 04:14:23 PM »
Requiring a medical test or proof of vaccination = "inconvenience."

Showing a picture ID to vote = "Civil Rights violation"
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omnigun

Re: LGS support for vaxxpass
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2021, 04:20:58 PM »
LGS best interest is to be lawful.

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changemyoil66

Re: LGS support for vaxxpass
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2021, 04:29:17 PM »
Doesnt the proc only state range? Which means other lgs have nothing to comply to, except x-ring.

I dont shop at 808gc anyways because they dont help the cause. The only hearing the owner came to was when it affected him (like someone else we know here). It was the bill about not being able to buy ammo if u dont own the gun. So buying ammo for rentals wouldnt be allowed. All the other bills, theyre silent on.

They dont submit testimony either.

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Glasser

Re: LGS support for vaxxpass
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2021, 05:16:44 PM »
I am sure they have less than 100 employees so avoid the Fake  Federal Forced Mandate for business, ironic...
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poke

Re: LGS support for vaxxpass
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2021, 05:31:26 PM »
These mandates are going to destroy a lot of small businesses
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hvybarrels

Re: LGS support for vaxxpass
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2021, 06:16:47 PM »
Quote from: poke on September 10, 2021, 05:31:26 PM
These mandates are going to destroy a lot of small businesses

Just sorting out the commies
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zhuzhits

Re: LGS support for vaxxpass
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2021, 06:17:45 PM »
What about that "or stay less than 15 mins" BS?
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poke

Re: LGS support for vaxxpass
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2021, 06:37:39 PM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on September 10, 2021, 06:16:47 PM
Just sorting out the commies

Either way you're screwed as a business owner. Either enforce the vaxx pass and have reduced sales or don't enforce it and be bankrupted by fines. This is all part of the Great Reset agenda to destroy the middle class and create a neo-feudalist society
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Glasser

Re: LGS support for vaxxpass
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2021, 07:42:19 PM »
Quote from: poke on September 10, 2021, 06:37:39 PM
Either way you're screwed as a business owner. Either enforce the vaxx pass and have reduced sales or don't enforce it and be bankrupted by fines. This is all part of the Great Reset agenda to destroy the middle class and create a neo-feudalist society

And until people decide not to comply en masse they will not stop finding rocks to push you into a hard place.

Eventually they are going to put people into a 'nothing left to lose' position and then it will get very ugly very fast.
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macsak

Re: LGS support for vaxxpass
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2021, 08:12:29 PM »
they support the cause...

Quote from: changemyoil66 on September 10, 2021, 04:29:17 PM
Doesnt the proc only state range? Which means other lgs have nothing to comply to, except x-ring.

I dont shop at 808gc anyways because they dont help the cause. The only hearing the owner came to was when it affected him (like someone else we know here). It was the bill about not being able to buy ammo if u dont own the gun. So buying ammo for rentals wouldnt be allowed. All the other bills, theyre silent on.

They dont submit testimony either.

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macsak

Re: LGS support for vaxxpass
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2021, 08:15:21 PM »
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eyeeatingfish

Re: LGS support for vaxxpass
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2021, 08:40:53 PM »
I don't like it but at the same time I understand, the cost of defending themselves in court likely to be significant. And it would all be betting that the hawaii supreme court  will side with them that the order was somehow unlawful.
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bass monkey

Re: LGS support for vaxxpass
« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2021, 10:01:55 PM »
Maybe they'll treat it like the 30 round AR mag laws
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hvybarrels

Re: LGS support for vaxxpass
« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2021, 03:58:14 AM »
Quote from: Glasser on September 10, 2021, 07:42:19 PM
And until people decide not to comply en masse they will not stop finding rocks to push you into a hard place.

Eventually they are going to put people into a 'nothing left to lose' position and then it will get very ugly very fast.


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aaronc5362

Re: LGS support for vaxxpass
« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2021, 05:40:54 AM »
I stopped goin 808gunclub after I found out a real hyprocritic pussy worked there. How the fuck you goin complain about my brass hitting him in the face once in a while... While his brass is hitting the person to the right of him and say this is a range and it happens. Fucking pussy faggot. This was before they put nets up on the silloihette side. And I know my brass flies... 357 sig.. So I always tried to shoot when people to the right takes a break or tried to always claim the farthest right side first. Lol.

Anyways.. I can understand that fines by the government would be more detremental. Also they have an indoor range so.. They have to comply... Right? Pretty sure botacs1 showed a pic of that earlier.

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DEROS

Re: LGS support for vaxxpass
« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2021, 11:31:30 AM »
That is why I never bought in to the slogan "Buy Local, Support Local".  Local business will always ask for customer support but will never support their customers.  However, I don't fault them in that thinking.  They are a business not a partner.  They will do what is good for their business.  That is also why I believe business owners should make more money than their employees.  Even to the point where they are grossly making more than their employees.  For example $1M a year vs. $15hr.  Business owners have to make the hard decisions that will make or break their company.

808GunClub and LGS owners have made their decision for their business.  As a consumer, we have to make our decision to patronize the business or go to another business like Koffinwurks.  What's great about our country is that we get to choose our destiny, even if that destiny leads us to our death. 
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6716J

Re: LGS support for vaxxpass
« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2021, 07:33:07 AM »
My next question to ALL businesses affected by the Kings edict is how are you to know how to interpret any test result or if the person has a vaxx record.

I doubt Aunty at Dirty Lickens has been trained, and certified by the City and County of Honolulu on what are acceptable records and how they are supposed to look. Or is HPD going to post a TRAINED officer at EVERY business under the new mandate to verify results and records?

With the Kings edict, they are opening themselves to lawsuits for denial of service for medical reasons, which is discrimination under all state and federal laws.

I hope all the lawyers are getting ready. They can make a good deal of money here and now.



From https://www.oneoahu.org/safe-access-oahu
Do I need to verify that the proof of vaccination is real?

No. However, if you suspect the proof of vaccination is fake, you do not need to accept it

So the choice is up to the business owner at the end of the day as the CoH cannot hold them liable

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omnigun

Re: LGS support for vaxxpass
« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2021, 08:46:13 AM »
Quote from: 6716J on September 13, 2021, 07:33:07 AM
My next question to ALL businesses affected by the Kings edict is how are you to know how to interpret any test result or if the person has a vaxx record.

I doubt Aunty at Dirty Lickens has been trained, and certified by the City and County of Honolulu on what are acceptable records and how they are supposed to look. Or is HPD going to post a TRAINED officer at EVERY business under the new mandate to verify results and records?

With the Kings edict, they are opening themselves to lawsuits for denial of service for medical reasons, which is discrimination under all state and federal laws.

I hope all the lawyers are getting ready. They can make a good deal of money here and now.



From https://www.oneoahu.org/safe-access-oahu
Do I need to verify that the proof of vaccination is real?

No. However, if you suspect the proof of vaccination is fake, you do not need to accept it

So the choice is up to the business owner at the end of the day as the CoH cannot hold them liable

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A QR code if you use the state app. Easy to verify.  All vaccine cards are very similar if not exactly the same.   Just validate it just like any other card.  For example a drivers license.   Shouldn't be that hard to implement and enforce. 
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changemyoil66

Re: LGS support for vaxxpass
« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2021, 09:07:31 AM »
Quote from: 6716J on September 13, 2021, 07:33:07 AM
My next question to ALL businesses affected by the Kings edict is how are you to know how to interpret any test result or if the person has a vaxx record.

I doubt Aunty at Dirty Lickens has been trained, and certified by the City and County of Honolulu on what are acceptable records and how they are supposed to look. Or is HPD going to post a TRAINED officer at EVERY business under the new mandate to verify results and records?

With the Kings edict, they are opening themselves to lawsuits for denial of service for medical reasons, which is discrimination under all state and federal laws.

I hope all the lawyers are getting ready. They can make a good deal of money here and now.



From https://www.oneoahu.org/safe-access-oahu
Do I need to verify that the proof of vaccination is real?

No. However, if you suspect the proof of vaccination is fake, you do not need to accept it

So the choice is up to the business owner at the end of the day as the CoH cannot hold them liable

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This could also be a possibility.  Like 808GC posted their policy due to the mandate.  But whether they really look at the card, pic, or state upload is a different story. 
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