A nurse instructor recently told me about how bad the situation is in Idaho with hospital crowding due to covid numbers there and it is pretty bad. Idaho hospitals are basically turning away everyone who does not have an immediate life or death issue. So covid with serious respiratory distress, someone in critical condition from an accident, someone having a heart attack, etc. will still be admitted. But if you had a stroke, a cancer that needs to be removed, a broken leg, or any other serious issue where you need to stay at the hospital, all those people are being sent home with medicine, pain killers, etc. and told to wait at home until it all blows over.

This is what really worries me, this is the type of situation where people are going to start dying from things they could have been treated for but got sent home because they weren't immediately life threatening.

https://www.npr.org/2021/09/16/1037987107/idaho-rations-health-care-statewide-covid-19-coronavirus-hospital

A nurse instructor recently told me about how bad the situation is in Idaho with hospital crowding due to covid numbers there and it is pretty bad. Idaho hospitals are basically turning away everyone who does not have an immediate life or death issue. So covid with serious respiratory distress, someone in critical condition from an accident, someone having a heart attack, etc. will still be admitted. But if you had a stroke, a cancer that needs to be removed, a broken leg, or any other serious issue where you need to stay at the hospital, all those people are being sent home with medicine, pain killers, etc. and told to wait at home until it all blows over.

This is what really worries me, this is the type of situation where people are going to start dying from things they could have been treated for but got sent home because they weren't immediately life threatening.

https://www.npr.org/2021/09/16/1037987107/idaho-rations-health-care-statewide-covid-19-coronavirus-hospital

hawaii's covid hospitalization count peaked at 448 over a week ago
500 was supposed to be the # where hawaii would face this situation
today's number was just over 300...

there is a hawaii plan
has been posted recently...

there is a hawaii plan
has been posted recently...

Where?
Is it a statewide plan, each country, or each hospital?

The way my friend explained it there are many factors that go into deciding who to turn away or admit. He stated that he isn't aware of vaccine status being used in any location, and even age isn't directly used.

The ethics of a triage plan are pretty interesting.

focus
https://lmgtfy.app/?q=hawaii+covid+healthcare+rationing+plan

A nurse instructor recently told me about how bad the situation is in Idaho with hospital crowding due to covid numbers there and it is pretty bad. Idaho hospitals are basically turning away everyone who does not have an immediate life or death issue. So covid with serious respiratory distress, someone in critical condition from an accident, someone having a heart attack, etc. will still be admitted. But if you had a stroke, a cancer that needs to be removed, a broken leg, or any other serious issue where you need to stay at the hospital, all those people are being sent home with medicine, pain killers, etc. and told to wait at home until it all blows over.

This is what really worries me, this is the type of situation where people are going to start dying from things they could have been treated for but got sent home because they weren't immediately life threatening.

https://www.npr.org/2021/09/16/1037987107/idaho-rations-health-care-statewide-covid-19-coronavirus-hospital

In this scenario they should be kicking out the unvaxxed in favor of those with a higher chance of survival.

In this scenario they should be kicking out the unvaxxed in favor of those with a higher chance of survival.

There's no study that backs up that opinion.

Do they take drug overdoses after treating less serious patients?

You really do have a problem with ethics, morals, and basic humanity.

There's no study that backs up that opinion.

Do they take drug overdoses after treating less serious patients?

You really do have a problem with ethics, morals, and basic humanity.

There are studies showing the chance of survival from the unvaxxed.   There are also studies about the chances of survival from various other injuries. The doctors can make scientific based decisions to treat those who have the greatest chance to survive.  If you keep a bed for a unvaxx guy who has a 50/50 chance to die is that better than treating the car accident victim that has a 20% chance to die?  Isn't dem morals about doing what's best.

There's no study that backs up that opinion.

Do they take drug overdoses after treating less serious patients?

You really do have a problem with ethics, morals, and basic humanity.

He does have a problem with those. And at this stage of his life, its not able to be learned.

But then again, if science said rape was good, he would be fine with it.

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He does have a problem with those. And at this stage of his life, its not able to be learned.

But then again, if science said rape was good, he would be fine with it.

Or, as OmniGrub calls rape:

"Speed Dating."   

focus
https://lmgtfy.app/?q=hawaii+covid+healthcare+rationing+plan

You made the claim.

There are studies showing the chance of survival from the unvaxxed.   There are also studies about the chances of survival from various other injuries. The doctors can make scientific based decisions to treat those who have the greatest chance to survive.  If you keep a bed for a unvaxx guy who has a 50/50 chance to die is that better than treating the car accident victim that has a 20% chance to die?  Isn't dem morals about doing what's best.

Your first reply basically just made it out like a moral judgement but your second reply looks at using survivability criteria and they are two significantly different ways of guiding triage. When I spoke to my nurse friend he stated that a screener takes a measure of a lot of criteria to rank the patient and moral questions really don't come into play at all. Even if deciding whether to save an 8 year old vs an 80 year old. So if the unvaccinated person has a lower chance of survival than say a car accident victim then the hospital policy could indicate the covid patient take the backseat.

Of course an ER doctor (separate from the screener) could subconsciously make moral decisions on the floor and that would be difficult to eliminate but that would already be after a screener decided who got a bed in the ER first.

The only exception I can think of is not allowing an alcoholic to go on a liver transplant list but I suppose even that could be argued to be a statistical chance of survivability.

You made the claim.

focus
you asked for the plan when you could have easily googled it...

Posted by: eyeeatingfish
« on: September 20, 2021, 08:57:38 PM »
Where?
Is it a statewide plan, each country, or each hospital?