NEW Changes to Firearms Registration (Read 21287 times)

Kalikikopa

Re: NEW Changes to Firearms Registration
« Reply #40 on: December 04, 2021, 06:31:23 PM »
I've registered 3 handguns in the past few weeks. No waiting in line, no hassle, all the officers have been kind, friendly , and helpful. All i've taken in is the PTA, they take it, have you sit for a few minutes and have you sign , then hand you your reg. They have also told me that Jan 1st the online registration is supposed to go online.  I will say again, the officers are very helpful. Thank you all gentlemen.

DocMercy

Re: NEW Changes to Firearms Registration
« Reply #41 on: December 07, 2021, 01:01:02 PM »
I registered a handgun at HPD today that I obtained from a dealer two weeks ago.

Also got an approved permit to acquire for a second gun. When I picked up that gun (today) from the dealer, he told me that he was going to send the signed form directly to HPD. This is a brand new step in the gun acquisition & registration process. In November, you had to take the countersigned PTA back to HPD to get the certificate of registration. Now, the only way I can get the registration document for the weapon is to wait for the online system to go live. Just imagine if the signed-off PTA is lost in the USPS system due to the holiday rush. HPD should have delayed the final step until after the New Year.

The issue I would be worried about is how you prove that you have a right to transport your gun from your home to KHSC, or the other legitimate destinations. During this limbo period, you do not have an official permit to acquire or registration document. CYOA by having your gun dealer xerox both sides of page 1 of the approved/countersigned PTA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Hawaii
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Unloaded firearms that are secured in a gun case and are accompanied by a corresponding permit are allowed to be transported in a vehicle between the permitted owner's residence, business or sojourn and: a place of repair; a target range; a licensed dealer's place of business; an organized, scheduled firearms show or exhibit; a place of formal hunter or firearm use training or instruction; or a police station.

stangzilla

Re: NEW Changes to Firearms Registration
« Reply #42 on: December 07, 2021, 01:09:22 PM »
I registered a handgun at HPD today that I obtained from a dealer two weeks ago.

Also got an approved permit to acquire for a second gun. When I picked up that gun (today) from the dealer, he told me that he was going to send the signed form directly to HPD. This is a brand new step in the gun acquisition & registration process. In November, you had to take the countersigned PTA back to HPD to get the certificate of registration. Now, the only way I can get the registration document for the weapon is to wait for the online system to go live. Just imagine if the signed-off PTA is lost in the USPS system due to the holiday rush. HPD should have delayed the final step until after the New Year.

The issue I would be worried about is how you prove that you have a right to transport your gun from your home to KHSC, or the other legitimate destinations. During this limbo period, you do not have an official permit to acquire or registration document. CYOA by having your gun dealer xerox both sides of page 1 of the approved/countersigned PTA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Hawaii

I thought that the dealer would fax their copy to HPD, while dealer keeps their copy
then you keep your copy which you take to HPD to register
if we still need to go to HPD to "register", this way seems faster

changemyoil66

Re: NEW Changes to Firearms Registration
« Reply #43 on: December 07, 2021, 01:47:31 PM »
I registered a handgun at HPD today that I obtained from a dealer two weeks ago.

Also got an approved permit to acquire for a second gun. When I picked up that gun (today) from the dealer, he told me that he was going to send the signed form directly to HPD. This is a brand new step in the gun acquisition & registration process. In November, you had to take the countersigned PTA back to HPD to get the certificate of registration. Now, the only way I can get the registration document for the weapon is to wait for the online system to go live. Just imagine if the signed-off PTA is lost in the USPS system due to the holiday rush. HPD should have delayed the final step until after the New Year.

The issue I would be worried about is how you prove that you have a right to transport your gun from your home to KHSC, or the other legitimate destinations. During this limbo period, you do not have an official permit to acquire or registration document. CYOA by having your gun dealer xerox both sides of page 1 of the approved/countersigned PTA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Hawaii

Wikipedia is wrong, the HRS does not state this.  Wikipedia is free for users to edit and errors are only caught later.  This 1 reason why when in college we are told not to use Wikipedia as a source. 

Also 1 anti 2a church loves to use Wikipedia as a source during testimony for anti 2a bills.  Which we counter by telling the committee what I mentioned above.

Below is HRS 134-23:

[§134-23]  Place to keep loaded firearms other than pistols and revolvers; penalty.  (a)  Except as provided in section 134-5, all firearms shall be confined to the possessor's place of business, residence, or sojourn; provided that it shall be lawful to carry unloaded firearms in an enclosed container from the place of purchase to the purchaser's place of business, residence, or sojourn, or between these places upon change of place of business, residence, or sojourn, or between these places and the following:

     (1)  A place of repair;

     (2)  A target range;

     (3)  A licensed dealer's place of business;

     (4)  An organized, scheduled firearms show or exhibit;

     (5)  A place of formal hunter or firearm use training or instruction; or

     (6)  A police station.


Nothing in there states you need the registration.  There also is no law stating  you must show the reg upon demand by a law enforcement officer.  They are free to call in to their own firearms division to verify any gun they have access to.  And via their own website, it says you can wait until the online reg is active.  Their website right now says also due to Ige's proclamation, the 5 days to register is waived.

Also there is no law that you must inform HPD that you have a firearm in the car or tell them where you are going.  I would keep my mouth shut if pulled over.

HRS134-2(f) mentions the part about the person selling turning in the PTA. This is not new.

"(f)  In all cases where a pistol or revolver is acquired from another person within the State, the permit shall be signed in ink by the person to whom title to the pistol or revolver is transferred and shall be delivered to the person who is transferring title to the firearm, who shall verify that the person to whom the firearm is to be transferred is the person named in the permit and enter on the permit in the space provided the following information:  name of the person to whom the title to the firearm was transferred; names of the manufacturer and importer; model; type of action; caliber or gauge; and serial number, as applicable.  The person who is transferring title to the firearm shall sign the permit in ink and cause the permit to be delivered or sent by registered mail to the issuing authority within forty-eight hours after transferring the firearm.

     In all cases where receipt of a firearm is had by mail, express, freight, or otherwise from sources without the State, the person to whom the permit has been issued shall make the prescribed entries on the permit, sign the permit in ink, and cause the permit to be delivered or sent by registered mail to the issuing authority within forty-eight hours after taking possession of the firearm.

     In all cases where a rifle or shotgun is acquired from another person within the State, the person who is transferring title to the rifle or shotgun shall submit, within forty-eight hours after transferring the firearm, to the authority that issued the permit to acquire, the following information, in writing:  name of the person who transferred the firearm, name of the person to whom the title to the firearm was transferred; names of the manufacturer and importer; model; type of action; caliber or gauge; and serial number, as applicable."

changemyoil66

Re: NEW Changes to Firearms Registration
« Reply #44 on: December 07, 2021, 01:51:33 PM »
I thought that the dealer would fax their copy to HPD, while dealer keeps their copy
then you keep your copy which you take to HPD to register
if we still need to go to HPD to "register", this way seems faster

HRS134-2(f) mail or hand delivered. No faxing is mentioned.  I would however take a picture, that way when registering, you know the make, model and serial # if you don't have the gun with you.  Like don't just show up to HPD saying you got a gun X days ago and want to register it with zero info.

stangzilla

Re: NEW Changes to Firearms Registration
« Reply #45 on: December 07, 2021, 02:09:21 PM »
HRS134-2(f) mail or hand delivered. No faxing is mentioned.  I would however take a picture, that way when registering, you know the make, model and serial # if you don't have the gun with you.  Like don't just show up to HPD saying you got a gun X days ago and want to register it with zero info.

I usually go to register at HPD the same day i pick up the gun. i go from shop back to hpd.  but i have the paperwork from the gun shop
so now we need to wait until HPD has the paperwork in the mail?  or take a picture of the the paperwork from the shop?
why don't they just give us a copy of the paperwork to take with us to HPD?
I'm a little confused.  seems like the old way works better.
or is this just temporary until the online system is up and running?
since HPD will have the info from the shop, why do we even need to go back to HPD?
nvm, i see on HPD website no need bring in person as soon as online is up and running

Flapp_Jackson

Re: NEW Changes to Firearms Registration
« Reply #46 on: December 07, 2021, 03:08:41 PM »
[snip]

Also there is no law that you must inform HPD that you have a firearm in the car or tell them where you are going.  I would keep my mouth shut if pulled over.

[snip again]
Good synopsis.

I'd add, if pulled over for a traffic stop, and the officer asks, "Do you have any weapons on you I should be concerned about," Just say "Yes," while keeping your hands on the wheel in plain sight.  If the gun is unloaded, in a case, and not on your person, you are being truthful and lawful.

Even if the gun is not on your person, you should answer the question as intended and not play word games.  If asked about a weapon "on you," you should include any guns you are transporting, just so there are no surprises as the encounter progesses.

The presence of a weapon in the vehicle, as long as it is disclosed and transported correctly, is not a violation of the law. Having a gun in your vehicle does not by itself give an officer probable cause to search your vehicle.  As CMO said, you have no requirement to carry any permits or other papers connected with your firearms outside the home.

However, simply failing to reveal that you have a gun could result in serious charges if the officer finds another reason to search your car and later discovers it, even if you committed no other offense.

Never knowingly lie to a law enforcement officer.  It makes them more suspicious and sometimes angry, which won't help you end the encounter.  It may also bring charges of interfering with their duties, obstructing their investigation, making false statements to an officer, etc.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

DocMercy

Re: NEW Changes to Firearms Registration
« Reply #47 on: December 07, 2021, 03:50:13 PM »
why don't they just give us a copy of the paperwork to take with us to HPD?
I'm a little confused.  seems like the old way works better.

Agreed. The PTA (when approved by HPD) allows you a limited time period to pick up your handgun from the FFL dealer. Suppose you pick up the gun, but do not get a copy of the first sheet (back) of the PTA countersigned by the dealer. Then suppose that the place catches fire and the countersigned document goes poof. The FFL dealer goes on a long vacation. Cops can't contact him, but they find you with an unregistered firearm. They may even accuse you of stealing the weapon from the dealer, because you do not have evidence that he gave it to you and you signed for it. The other thing they can accuse you of is never picking up the gun in the first place (so have fun re-doing the PTA application).

This is why I do not like dangling chains of events. I would rather have the countersigned PTA and visit HPD in person to exchange it for the registration. That option does not seem to be available anymore.

Question for Flapp: Police may not have the right to search your trunk, even if you tell them you have an unloaded weapon in the trunk. BUT, what about weapons that are out in the open? A cop gets a tip that the thief who robbed J Hara is hawking stolen rifles at a public range. A range safety officer calls for a cease fire on the KHSC rifle range. With a dozen rifles on the tables with actions exposed and numerous S/N's visible (in plain sight) to the cop, what is to prevent him from photographing the rifles and running the serial numbers through HPD's back office computer?
« Last Edit: December 07, 2021, 04:10:42 PM by DocMercy »

Flapp_Jackson

Re: NEW Changes to Firearms Registration
« Reply #48 on: December 07, 2021, 04:35:03 PM »
It's called a PTA for a reason:  Pain In (the) Ass.   :rofl:

Agreed. The PTA (when approved by HPD) allows you a limited time period to pick up your handgun from the FFL dealer. Suppose you pick up the gun, but do not get a copy of the first sheet (back) of the PTA countersigned by the dealer. Then suppose that the place catches fire and the countersigned document goes poof. The FFL dealer goes on a long vacation. Cops can't contact him, but they find you with an unregistered firearm. They may even accuse you of stealing the weapon from the dealer, because you do not have evidence that he gave it to you and you signed for it. The other thing they can accuse you of is never picking up the gun in the first place (so have fun re-doing the PTA application).

This is why I do not like dangling chains of events. I would rather have the countersigned PTA and visit HPD in person to exchange it for the registration. That option does not seem to be available anymore.

I think you've gone off the deep end.  Let me try to throw you a life line ....

IF all the stuff you said happens:  fire, vacation, unregistered gun found, etc -- then you still have a receipt showing you paid for the gun, right?  No one can say you stole it.  It's your property no matter what stage of the bureaucratic BS goat rope you were in.

As for redoing the PTA if the dealer didn't send in their portion of the PTA in 10 days, I believe I read the PTA no longer has an expiration date/period.  I read "eliminates" as "no limit" as opposed to "extended or altered the time limit".

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Today ruling against the State eliminates the ten-day expiration period of pistol permits.

This means that a permit is no longer limited to just ten days from the date of issue and
allows a person a more workable time frame to pick up their firearm from a gun store.
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=42440.msg388807#msg388807
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: NEW Changes to Firearms Registration
« Reply #49 on: December 07, 2021, 07:42:50 PM »
Agreed. The PTA (when approved by HPD) allows you a limited time period to pick up your handgun from the FFL dealer. Suppose you pick up the gun, but do not get a copy of the first sheet (back) of the PTA countersigned by the dealer. Then suppose that the place catches fire and the countersigned document goes poof. The FFL dealer goes on a long vacation. Cops can't contact him, but they find you with an unregistered firearm. They may even accuse you of stealing the weapon from the dealer, because you do not have evidence that he gave it to you and you signed for it. The other thing they can accuse you of is never picking up the gun in the first place (so have fun re-doing the PTA application).

This is why I do not like dangling chains of events. I would rather have the countersigned PTA and visit HPD in person to exchange it for the registration. That option does not seem to be available anymore.

Question for Flapp: Police may not have the right to search your trunk, even if you tell them you have an unloaded weapon in the trunk. BUT, what about weapons that are out in the open? A cop gets a tip that the thief who robbed J Hara is hawking stolen rifles at a public range. A range safety officer calls for a cease fire on the KHSC rifle range. With a dozen rifles on the tables with actions exposed and numerous S/N's visible (in plain sight) to the cop, what is to prevent him from photographing the rifles and running the serial numbers through HPD's back office computer?
What prevents them, people covering the SN with a towel.

Ur over thinking things.

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macsak

Re: NEW Changes to Firearms Registration
« Reply #50 on: December 07, 2021, 07:47:46 PM »
doc, you haven't been on the forum that long, but you probably realize by now that if CMO says you are overthinking it, you are in over your head

What prevents them, people covering the SN with a towel.

Ur over thinking things.

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: NEW Changes to Firearms Registration
« Reply #51 on: December 07, 2021, 08:25:53 PM »
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Question for Flapp: Police may not have the right to search your trunk, even if you tell them you have an unloaded weapon in the trunk. BUT, what about weapons that are out in the open? A cop gets a tip that the thief who robbed J Hara is hawking stolen rifles at a public range. A range safety officer calls for a cease fire on the KHSC rifle range. With a dozen rifles on the tables with actions exposed and numerous S/N's visible (in plain sight) to the cop, what is to prevent him from photographing the rifles and running the serial numbers through HPD's back office computer?

I suspect you'd see a whole lot of shooters being yelled at for crossing the yellow line as they return their firearms to their cases.   :geekdanc:

And if the shooters can't cross the yellow line, why would Cops be allowed unless the range is assisting in their illegal search?  Seems like the Cops being across the line destroys the safety justification for everyone else to remain behind the like.   :thumbsup:

Having a gun in public view doesn't cancel your rights against unreasonable searches.  Inspecting rifles and photographing them goes beyond the plain view exception.  And the range doesn't have the authority to grant permission for a plain view search of your personal property.

There are 3 conditions to the plain view doctrine outlined in the 1990 US Supreme Court case Horton v. California:

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1.  The officer did not violate the Fourth Amendment in arriving at the place from which the object could be plainly viewed.

2.  The object‘s incriminating character must be immediately apparent.

3.  The officer must have a lawful right of access to the object itself.

The scenario you created would violate #2, as there is no reasonable suspicion based on sight alone that the rifles in question were all part of the robbery.  Now, if they saw a rifle fitting the description of one stolen, and it's distinct and recognizable based on some unique characteristics, then the police can make the call that this rifle among all the others at the range is very likely the one (or one of the ones) they are looking for.   But, if the rifle is a generic, off-the-shelf, commonly purchased model, then there would have to be more before the cops would have the right to inspect and take pictures of every single rifle being used that day.

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The search may also be challenged if the incriminating nature of the item seized was
not immediately apparent (i.e. the officer felt a hard item in your pocket but knew that
it was not a weapon and did not otherwise know of its incriminating nature). It is also
worth noting that for an object‘s “incriminating character” to be “immediately apparent,”
an officer is not allowed to move the object in order to further inspect the item
(i.e. turning the item over record its serial number which shows that it is stolen).
https://www.collinsattorneys.com/plain-view-exception-to-4th-am/

To be immediately apparent, the Cops need to first know what serial numbers they are looking for.  If they don't find any on the list, they aren't permitted to run the serials they collected through a database search for unregistered firearms.  That would violate the "immediately apparent" criteria.

Now, nothing says the Cops can't walk up to each person and request permission to inspect the rifle and photograph the serial number.  It's up to you to permit it or deny it. 

IMO, if they can't see the serial number from a reasonable distance of a few feet, then they are conducting a search (call it an inspection if you want, but it's a search).  Without a warrant or probable cause to suspect that your specific gun is part of a crime, they can't legally do more than ask to see it. 

Trying to gather information from all rifles on the benches demonstrates a lack of probable cause that any of the guns they see were part of any crime.  They are casting a wide net in hopes of catching one fish without anything to cause suspicion other than a "tip".  Did that tip include the specs on the rifles?  Description and vehicle tag number of the suspect?   Bench location if they were shooting?  Without enough of a description, the Cops can only do so much.

And, if they do find you have an unregistered firearm through some mass inspection that was involuntary, the circumstances for them finding out would probably be easy to contest.  That would have the case dismissed, but you'd have to register to get the firearm back.

I'm not a lawyer, but that's what I get from my reading on plain view doctrine and the 4th Amendment.  Nowhere in the 4th does it say your rights only exist in private places.  Even in public, you have the right to not have the police gather information on you and your property that they can't gather without close inspection.

Imagine someone reporting a camera stolen with a vague description.  Can the Cops stop everyone in Waikiki carrying a camera in plain view to check the serial number?  I don't think so.  What about VIN information on your dash?  That info can provide some pretty important private information.  Can Cops walk through a public parking lot and photograph VINs?  I don't think a number you can't read without being inches from the windshield constitutes "plain view."

This old lady called the police to report her neighbor for indecent exposure.  She said he was walking around nude in his bedroom with the curtains open.  When the officer came, he asked her where she was when she saw the neighbor nude.  She took him to her laundry room.  He looked out the window, and could only see plants between the houses.

"Ma'am. I can't see anyone next door, not through all the landscaping."

She replied, "Oh, you have to stand on the washer and use the binoculars on the window sill." 

 :rofl:
« Last Edit: December 07, 2021, 08:39:07 PM by Flapp_Jackson »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: NEW Changes to Firearms Registration
« Reply #52 on: December 08, 2021, 08:56:17 AM »
Talked to my neighbors and they had cops come to their home because someone in the building across the street reported they could see inside and was naked.  Cops told them that they broke no law and explained it to the people who called 911, but just a FYI for my neighbors that others can see inside.

DocMercy

Re: NEW Changes to Firearms Registration
« Reply #53 on: December 08, 2021, 09:05:26 AM »
What prevents them, people covering the SN with a towel.
Ur over thinking things.

Mac and CMO, I believe it is better to overthink than underthink. I have no friends in ATF or HPD, but friends in DHS and the FBI. If a shooter is on a line and the range officer calls a cease fire so that people can go downrange to get/replace their bullseye sheets, they have to expose the actions of the guns and prove it is safe. The S/N on a Glock is in two places, on the side that has to be flipped open for inspection. Placing a towel over the action will cause the rso to scream at you, and we all know, they can be heard even through a -25dB ear muff.

I am not a member of any law enforcement organization or the military, nor a paid informant. But I can understand how the government is willing to try any legal tactic to recover stolen or banned weapons. Like IA, their eyes and ears are also open looking for evidence. One side of the anti-gun faction will try to convince the public that if someone is innocent, they should have nothing to hide. Ultra pro-gun supporters can take a position that guns should not require licenses to obtain, need no registration with any authority, and should be available to all without regard to misdemeanors, felons, revocation of citizenship, or being legally blind. (You may laugh, but there are states that allow the blind to possess and use firearms).



macsak

Re: NEW Changes to Firearms Registration
« Reply #54 on: December 08, 2021, 09:21:21 AM »
DM, it was a joke
CMO is the king of overthinkers...

Mac and CMO, I believe it is better to overthink than underthink. I have no friends in ATF or HPD, but friends in DHS and the FBI. If a shooter is on a line and the range officer calls a cease fire so that people can go downrange to get/replace their bullseye sheets, they have to expose the actions of the guns and prove it is safe. The S/N on a Glock is in two places, on the side that has to be flipped open for inspection. Placing a towel over the action will cause the rso to scream at you, and we all know, they can be heard even through a -25dB ear muff.

I am not a member of any law enforcement organization or the military, nor a paid informant. But I can understand how the government is willing to try any legal tactic to recover stolen or banned weapons. Like IA, their eyes and ears are also open looking for evidence. One side of the anti-gun faction will try to convince the public that if someone is innocent, they should have nothing to hide. Ultra pro-gun supporters can take a position that guns should not require licenses to obtain, need no registration with any authority, and should be available to all without regard to misdemeanors, felons, revocation of citizenship, or being legally blind. (You may laugh, but there are states that allow the blind to possess and use firearms).

changemyoil66

Re: NEW Changes to Firearms Registration
« Reply #55 on: December 08, 2021, 09:34:58 AM »
DM, it was a joke
CMO is the king of overthinkers...

And tinfoil president.

DM,

I've been going to the KHSC since 2016 and have never seen HPD doing SN checks, nor have I heard of them or any LEO organization doing them.  I have seen a patrol car pull into the parking lot, but the officer went to take a piss and left.  And like Flapp mentioned, a violation of the 4A if they're on a fishing expedition and the gun they're looking for is not super unique (like a gold plated AK or something along those lines).

Like Mac said, my comment about the towel was a joke/sarcasm, so please take it that way.

We also all have different thought processes and I'm just pointing out that you're over thinking this hypothetical.  It's up to you if you want to continue to have this hypothetical thought or not.  I mean, since it's the RO's who are checking all actions during a cease fire, how do we know that they aren't a Narc and have a photographic memory, so they can easily memorize all SN's.

DocMercy

Re: NEW Changes to Firearms Registration
« Reply #56 on: December 08, 2021, 11:28:59 AM »
As a believer in more conspiracy theories than the number of atoms on this planet, my level of suspicion is very high. Entrapment in this state has probably been used, without actually crossing the line where a case is thrown out of court. Can any of us guarantee that there are no undercover operatives (both lawful and unlawful) who are using social networking to gather information at a range?  Most people at KHSC are very friendly. Some even offer their weapon to a newcomer to try out. An ATF agent who acts like Barney Fife can easily read and remember the S/N of a firearm, just admiring the gun and praising the owner for his acumen in buying a weapon. Russian operatives like Maria Butina easily befriended members of the NRA. Cars and the presence of so many gun owners at public ranges makes it easy to get the license plates of cars which have a high likelihood of carrying a weapon in the trunk. All the thieves need to do is follow the driver back to his or her home.

https://www.npr.org/2019/05/09/717178960/more-guns-in-cars-mean-more-guns-stolen-from-cars

Criminals do not buy guns at legitimate gun stores. They steal weapons, and law abiding gun owners are the unfortunate victims. Knowledge of terrorism or espionage is another matter, and beyond the scope of this thread. Stay safe and beware that intel is being collected whenever or wherever it is available.

changemyoil66

Re: NEW Changes to Firearms Registration
« Reply #57 on: December 08, 2021, 11:45:24 AM »
If you are doing everything legally, then you have no worry.  Or place a tape on top your SN. IDK if that's legal, I know altering or removing the SN is illegal. Never looked into covering temporary.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: NEW Changes to Firearms Registration
« Reply #58 on: December 08, 2021, 01:34:29 PM »
If you are doing everything legally, then you have no worry.  Or place a tape on top your SN. IDK if that's legal, I know altering or removing the SN is illegal. Never looked into covering temporary.
If you want to hide your serial numbers, go for it.  These are not car license plates that the law says must be read from a distance. 

And, if you put a chamber flag inside the action of a semi-auto rifle, the action can be closed (as far as it can be with a flag).  As long as the RSO can see the flag, you can rest the gun on any side to face the serial number down.  I use flags all the time to make the RSO's job easier.  Bolt action guns can be faced in any direction.  It's obvious the bolt is open with it protruding from the rear of the action.  If you really want to go swimming in the deep end, just remove the bolt and place it next to the rifle.  It's normally as easy as pulling the bolt back while depressing the trigger.

Rather than list the details of where serial numbers are stamped, what RSOs want and expect, and whether or not Cops will be doing a "sweep" of the range for stolen guns, it all comes down to what YOU are doing to make sure your firearms are legal and comply with the statutes.  In this age of the pandemic, some of the requirements in the statutes  have been waived.  Some requirements are in a state of flux as the counties figure out how to comply with recent court  rulings and settlements.  It's difficult to keep up with -- hence, the title of this thread.

For what it's worth, Cops are never going to do a "checkpoint" inspection of firearms at the range.  If 99% of the guns are legally registered, and 99% are not allowing handguns to be "borrowed" without the owner present, it's cost prohibitive to run a sweep at the range.  They would need to do this for months at a time to make sure they've inspected as many people's firearms as they can to justify the searches.  Once the word got out, nobody would be taking guns to the range they think might get them in trouble.  So, the check points would need to be random and no-notice.

Logistically and legally, I doubt seriously if there would ever be a complete inspection of all guns on the range benches.  If the Cops see someone shooting who matches the description of a person reported to 911, they can approach and question them, but I would hope the Cops are smart enough to wait until the person stopped shooting and is walking to the parking lot!   :geekdanc:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: NEW Changes to Firearms Registration
« Reply #59 on: December 08, 2021, 01:41:38 PM »
Also since it wasn't mentioned yet, if a RO or any non-LE ask to see your papers, you can tell them no. It's against the law for anyone who isn't listed below to demand to see your reg:

All registration data that would identify the individual registering the firearm by name or address shall be confidential and shall not be disclosed to anyone, except as may be required:

     (1)  For processing the registration;

     (2)  For database management by the Hawaii criminal justice data center;

     (3)  By a law enforcement agency for the lawful performance of its duties; or

     (4)  By order of a court.

HRS134-3.

The city range on Maui was going to require proof of reg before they allow anyone to shoot. And unless it was MPD there checking everyone's reg, that would be illegal. So a RO cannot make you show your reg. Same would apply if traveling and the counter person of the airline demands proof of ownership.  Aside from that almost all other states dont require reg, so proof of ownership would be near impossible for out of state travelers.