500 yards with 22. :bow:

Are you chrono-ing? And if yes, with which chrono?

I wish we had ranges to do more truing of ammo. Being able to place targets of various sizes at a variety of distances. There’s one class I was thinking of trying a while back where their range is a huge area. One area is from a plateau and you can shoot 360 degrees. Wind is already a challenge with the terrain.

No I was comparing testing centerfire at 500 is relative to 22lr at 100. Actually ballistic charts shows wind is similar for 223/308 at 400 as it is a 22lr at 100. In my experience, centerfire at 400 much easier. I wish I could shoot 22lr at 500. I absolutely will just haven't yet

I use a magnetospeed. I also don't believe in SDs especially a 5 shot string, tells me little. I look at ES of 20 for centerfire. 5 shot groups or chrono is far too small a sample for what I like. I chrono rimfire ammo on rare occasions but why? You can't change anything so I don't other than getting DOPE. 

We have opportunities to many ranges/ places to shoot. Hawaii people don't want to pay not make the extra effort. Cost of living in Hawaii is extremely high so I get it, it's not easy. Most ranges in the states I visit are private you got to pay to play and I happily do. Like all things in Hawaii, it who you know.

I forget the cross-over distance, but I've seen where subsonic .22LR ammo works better at extra-long ranges.

Basically, when the bullet exits the muzzle, it's traveling at the speed of sound.  It has a certain ballistic envelope that keeps the bullet stable.  If it's traveling long enough to drop below the speed of sound, it can wobble, change direction or even tumble due to the transition.  Subsonic never reaches that speed, so there's no transition.

Subsonic ammo at such distances may also require a slightly higher barrel twist ratio to give the bullet enough spin to avoid wind and other factors interfering with its path.

I don't have any experience doing this, but the things I've read and watched on the subject are interesting.  They say the effective range of a .22LR rifle (redundant?  )  is up to a mile.  If you can get the round on target at that range, why not!   

I forget the cross-over distance, but I've seen where subsonic .22LR ammo works better at extra-long ranges.

Basically, when the bullet exits the muzzle, it's traveling at the speed of sound.  It has a certain ballistic envelope that keeps the bullet stable.  If it's traveling long enough to drop below the speed of sound, it can wobble, change direction or even tumble due to the transition.  Subsonic never reaches that speed, so there's no transition.

Subsonic ammo at such distances may also require a slightly higher barrel twist ratio to give the bullet enough spin to avoid wind and other factors interfering with its path.

I don't have any experience doing this, but the things I've read and watched on the subject are interesting.  They say the effective range of a .22LR rifle (redundant?  )  is up to a mile.  If you can get the round on target at that range, why not!   

High velocity 22lr is roughly 1250fps, it will go transonic between 50 and 100y. They will still shoot decent, not great at that distance.  I feel too much emphasis is put on the transonic transition. The internet makes it sound like bullets just drop from the sky when doing so. That is not the case. Yes I would like my rounds to stay supersonic or below but shots can still be made. Most if not all match grade ammo for 22lr is subsonic 1050ish. There are companies experimenting with 22lr reloading custom projectiles to shoot ELR (extreme long distance) it is coming. Shooting 22lr to 500y is not uncommon many are doing it successfully and even further. The biggest factor is can the shooter do it? NRL22 and the interest it has generated, has advanced the caliber 10 fold in the last several years.

Sounds like we need a 22 day.

Idk when mrs.cmo 22 will be done. Henry at prime said almost.

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No I was comparing testing centerfire at 500 is relative to 22lr at 100. Actually ballistic charts shows wind is similar for 223/308 at 400 as it is a 22lr at 100. In my experience, centerfire at 400 much easier. I wish I could shoot 22lr at 500. I absolutely will just haven't yet

I use a magnetospeed. I also don't believe in SDs especially a 5 shot string, tells me little. I look at ES of 20 for centerfire. 5 shot groups or chrono is far too small a sample for what I like. I chrono rimfire ammo on rare occasions but why? You can't change anything so I don't other than getting DOPE. 

We have opportunities to many ranges/ places to shoot. Hawaii people don't want to pay not make the extra effort. Cost of living in Hawaii is extremely high so I get it, it's not easy. Most ranges in the states I visit are private you got to pay to play and I happily do. Like all things in Hawaii, it who you know.

Ahh, gotcha.  I’ve been watching a couple of YBers that shoot 22 regularly out to 400+.  Many have the KYL steel targets.  That looks like fun.  Challenging of course, but fun. 

I started with a Magnetospeed for centerfire and recently got a Labradar.  The Labradar is meant mostly for chrono for handgun, but of course can be used for rifle.  The muzzle velocity and DOPE aspects were why I asked.  Has assumed you were shooting 22 longer ranges. 

I’ve been relatively lucky to have a few opportunities to shoot on private property locally.  Not as often as I would like. Understand about the balance of living in Hawaii and being a firearms enthusiast.  I used to visit Alaska often to shoot and they have some damn awesome ranges there.  But I don’t think I could ever live there. . .

Sounds like we need a 22 day.

Idk when mrs.cmo 22 will be done. Henry at prime said almost.

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Actually haven't shot any precision in a very long time. Getting ready for next weekend kinna tings. 

Ahh, gotcha.  I’ve been watching a couple of YBers that shoot 22 regularly out to 400+.  Many have the KYL steel targets.  That looks like fun.  Challenging of course, but fun. 

I started with a Magnetospeed for centerfire and recently got a Labradar.  The Labradar is meant mostly for chrono for handgun, but of course can be used for rifle.  The muzzle velocity and DOPE aspects were why I asked.  Has assumed you were shooting 22 longer ranges. 

I’ve been relatively lucky to have a few opportunities to shoot on private property locally.  Not as often as I would like. Understand about the balance of living in Hawaii and being a firearms enthusiast.  I used to visit Alaska often to shoot and they have some damn awesome ranges there.  But I don’t think I could ever live there. . .

I have homemade kyl swingers smallest being 1/8". What makes it more challenging is getting away from a supported position (bench or prone). I haven't shot off of a bench in many many years. Not sure how much you follow PRS but this past weekend Competition Dynamics had a competition that was to my liking.     Off positions, pistol transitions from precision rifle, running, etc.... PRS gas gun series just came back and that looks hella fun.

Sounds like we need a 22 day.

Idk when mrs.cmo 22 will be done. Henry at prime said almost.

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Maybe I better drop ideas of another 22 skill builder to the boiz. 

Actually haven't shot any precision in a very long time. Getting ready for next weekend kinna tings. 

We are both in the skill builder. Purple stuff here we come.

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I have homemade kyl swingers smallest being 1/8". What makes it more challenging is getting away from a supported position (bench or prone). I haven't shot off of a bench in many many years. Not sure how much you follow PRS but this past weekend Competition Dynamics had a competition that was to my liking.

    Off positions, pistol transitions from precision rifle, running, etc.... PRS gas gun series just came back and that looks hella fun.

Interesting.  Those stages have quite the mix of skills.  Shooting, fitness, multi-tasking, etc.  Have shot some courses of fire with AR in classes somewhat similar to that, but not with a precision rifle.  Of course, in my younger days. . .

The PRS stuff that I had been watching wasn't nearly as elaborate.  The NRL Hunter series also seems quite interesting.  Different rules and more "practical" to hunting.  I don't hunt, but the aspect of unknown target location (generally) and unknown distance at start of the stage seems to add a whole other level of skill. 

My RPRR is a bench gun. Took a HDF 22 skill builder and semi auto is king.  Granted distance was limited to 40 yards.  The hardest part which I didn't every try prior to was shooting support side. Then add in my scope was zoomed in to the max, had hard time finding the golf ball target.  Had to use lowest power, then zoom from there.

But there was a huge diff between the tac driver rifles and the non tac driver types.  And didn't kit up, so had plenty energy after.

Interesting.  Those stages have quite the mix of skills.  Shooting, fitness, multi-tasking, etc.  Have shot some courses of fire with AR in classes somewhat similar to that, but not with a precision rifle.  Of course, in my younger days. . .

The PRS stuff that I had been watching wasn't nearly as elaborate.  The NRL Hunter series also seems quite interesting.  Different rules and more "practical" to hunting.  I don't hunt, but the aspect of unknown target location (generally) and unknown distance at start of the stage seems to add a whole other level of skill.

Let's face it, PRS has turned Gucci. Frank Galli and Rifles Only has a good podcast discussing it. They are belly button comps and they are god free throwers not good basketball players. Yes I 100% agree on the Hunter Series. In this day and age everyone wants to make the task easier. Why? That's not making YOU any better. PRS they carry so much gear and bags it's turned ridiculous. The gas gun series used to have pistol stages before they cancelled it. I think that's a must. They brought it back this year but not sure if pistol is still involved. F benches and prone let's be better shooters

My RPRR is a bench gun. Took a HDF 22 skill builder and semi auto is king.  Granted distance was limited to 40 yards.  The hardest part which I didn't every try prior to was shooting support side. Then add in my scope was zoomed in to the max, had hard time finding the golf ball target.  Had to use lowest power, then zoom from there.

But there was a huge diff between the tac driver rifles and the non tac driver types.  And didn't kit up, so had plenty energy after.

There was a lot of guys grumbling and grunting. 

There was a lot of guys grumbling and grunting. 

The worst part is i was prone on an ant hill. Got a good amount of bites. If u aint being bit, u aint training.

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Let's face it, PRS has turned Gucci. Frank Galli and Rifles Only has a good podcast discussing it. They are belly button comps and they are god free throwers not good basketball players. Yes I 100% agree on the Hunter Series. In this day and age everyone wants to make the task easier. Why? That's not making YOU any better. PRS they carry so much gear and bags it's turned ridiculous. The gas gun series used to have pistol stages before they cancelled it. I think that's a must. They brought it back this year but not sure if pistol is still involved. F benches and prone let's be better shooters

Rifles Only was one group I had considered taking classes from.  I found them in the interwebs when looking for various shooting gear.  I bought a bunch of their stuff, all good stuff. 

That's the thing about competition.  There will always be those that want to max out the gaming aspect of things.  I personally got into pistol matches for a training aspect of shooting and moving, as well as overall pistol marksmanship.  That's why I stayed in production and kept my gear tweaking to a minimum.  I've even been shooting factory 115 gr 9 mm.  Even now that I'm reloading, I plan on all my ammo to be close(er or ish) to factory ammo.  No poof poof for me.  That said, if those who do want to tweak out their gear, ammo load, etc, have at it. 

Rifles Only was one group I had considered taking classes from.  I found them in the interwebs when looking for various shooting gear.  I bought a bunch of their stuff, all good stuff. 

That's the thing about competition.  There will always be those that want to max out the gaming aspect of things.  I personally got into pistol matches for a training aspect of shooting and moving, as well as overall pistol marksmanship.  That's why I stayed in production and kept my gear tweaking to a minimum.  I've even been shooting factory 115 gr 9 mm.  Even now that I'm reloading, I plan on all my ammo to be close(er or ish) to factory ammo.  No poof poof for me.  That said, if those who do want to tweak out their gear, ammo load, etc, have at it.

people who shoot poof poof ammo are pussies
good thing i own no ammo, factory or reloaded...

people who shoot poof poof ammo are pussies
good thing i own no ammo, factory or reloaded...

#troof

people who shoot poof poof ammo are pussies
good thing i own no ammo, factory or reloaded...

I shoot poof poof. You callin’ me a pussy?

I shoot poof poof. You callin’ me a pussy?

I wanna try poof poof. Just so I can compared to bang bang. 

I make fun of a guy who shoots poof poof by saying  that he has soft hands.

I wanna try poof poof. Just so I can compared to bang bang. 

I make fun of a guy who shoots poof poof by saying  that he has soft hands.

I have to admit that my arthritis has caused me to have to sell my .454 Casull Ruger Super Redhawk. I have it on consignment right now. I guess I am turning into a pussy.