"Offensive" sketch = call police? (Read 4878 times)

ren

"Offensive" sketch = call police?
« on: October 18, 2021, 01:50:58 PM »
https://www.khon2.com/local-news/aclu-demands-reform-after-black-girl-arrested-in-hawaii/

Honowai Elementary officials called police to the Waipahu school in 2020 because the girl allegedly drew an offensive sketch of a student who was bullying her, according to the ACLU letter. The parent of another child wanted to press charges.
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changemyoil66

Re: "Offensive" sketch = call police?
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2021, 02:02:03 PM »
Show the pic, or didn't happen.

On a somewhat related note, the Auto Keycard guy is sitting in jail because he too drew a picture. 

omnigun

Re: "Offensive" sketch = call police?
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2021, 04:15:01 PM »
lul get over it snowflakes.

oldfart

Re: "Offensive" sketch = call police?
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2021, 04:31:50 PM »
It sure took a long time for them to decide to take action.
They aren't even here any more.
 
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eyeeatingfish

Re: "Offensive" sketch = call police?
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2021, 08:43:46 PM »
All depends on what the "sketch" contained. Either police violated her 1st amendment rights by arresting her for an offensive sketch or the attorney is trumping up the charges and the "sketch" was actually a threat.

Attorneys always manage to fill allegations with BS, I don't know how they get away with making false claims. If officers really arrested her for an offensive sketch then some heads need to roll but if I were a betting man I would bet that what she did constituted a thread.

The article appeared to say the mother was detained as she was not allowed to leave? Find that pretty hard to believe, an officer is going to tell the mother of a suspect that the mother was not allowed to leave?

changemyoil66

Re: "Offensive" sketch = call police?
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2021, 10:27:40 AM »
Heres the sketch.

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: "Offensive" sketch = call police?
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2021, 10:50:19 AM »
The child that was arrested was never charged with a crime.

The school admitted the parent filing the complaint should have called 911, and not the school -- to avoid "liability."  Oops!  The day of the incident (the day prior to saying this), the faculty member told the mother that the parent had the right to ask the school to call the police.  They also said doing so was school policy (a lie).

HPD replied to the complaint against the officers saying there was insufficient evidence to support the mother's complaints.  I'm sure there was a full investigation to include the school's faculty involved.   :wacko:

This is why we need to always trust the government.  They know what's good for us.
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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: "Offensive" sketch = call police?
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2021, 11:01:15 AM »
The official "Demand Letter" from the mother, with greater detail than most of the reporting.

https://www.acluhi.org/sites/default/files/field_documents/2021.10.18_-_taylor_demand_letter.pdf
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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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drck1000

Re: "Offensive" sketch = call police?
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2021, 11:33:51 AM »
Call me out of touch, or "sped" or "cap" (as my buddies' teenage kids say these days), but why is that suppose to be offensive?  To the point were cops were called or someone wanting to press charges? 

I mean I believe that words matter, but :wtf:

changemyoil66

Re: "Offensive" sketch = call police?
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2021, 11:49:20 AM »
Call me out of touch, or "sped" or "cap" (as my buddies' teenage kids say these days), but why is that suppose to be offensive?  To the point were cops were called or someone wanting to press charges? 

I mean I believe that words matter, but :wtf:

That's what I was thinking.  If anything, the girl who drew the drawing, who's the same one was detained is the one who has any right to report anything. 

stangzilla

Re: "Offensive" sketch = call police?
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2021, 12:00:20 PM »
wow.  that's all???
another example of the pussification of America
I remember in high school, a long time ago, there would be fights pretty regularly.  people getting physically assaulted.  and no cops were ever called, unless there was some weapon used.
the term "bullying" wasn't used as much then as it is now.  back then I can't remember any school shootings like today, although there were 22LR shooting ranges on campus, nobody ever thought about it as dangerous.
"things don't change. we change"

ren

Re: "Offensive" sketch = call police?
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2021, 02:47:57 PM »
they should name the complainant. After all, it is the right of the accused to face the accuser. That person is the root cause of all this.  On what charges were the other parent pursuing against the 10 year old girl?
Sad. It appears that we would fork over $500k of our tax monies to the ACLU and Ms. Taylor. SO much for a "world class range on Oahu" amongst other things. Despite all these progressive policies that got us here we built a wrong way escalator
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: "Offensive" sketch = call police?
« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2021, 02:53:32 PM »
they should name the complainant. After all, it is the right of the accused to face the accuser. That person is the root cause of all this.  On what charges were the other parent pursuing against the 10 year old girl?
Sad. It appears that we would fork over $500k of our tax monies to the ACLU and Ms. Taylor. SO much for a "world class range on Oahu" amongst other things. Despite all these progressive policies that got us here we built a wrong way escalator

I've read or heard nothing other than "charges."  No specific crimes were mentioned.

The alleged perp is a minor, so that name is shielded from the public.  The school was stupid enough to call 911, so they are the original complaining party.  It's that 3rd party parent who needs to be outed.  Since no charges were ever filed, it's up to the other parties involved to release that info ... because our glorious press can't be counted on for real journalism.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

drck1000

Re: "Offensive" sketch = call police?
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2021, 02:58:39 PM »
they should name the complainant. After all, it is the right of the accused to face the accuser. That person is the root cause of all this.  On what charges were the other parent pursuing against the 10 year old girl?
Sad. It appears that we would fork over $500k of our tax monies to the ACLU and Ms. Taylor. SO much for a "world class range on Oahu" amongst other things. Despite all these progressive policies that got us here we built a wrong way escalator
Karen Doe

Can include identifying feature of that bob hairstyle. . .

Flapp_Jackson

Re: "Offensive" sketch = call police?
« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2021, 05:31:58 PM »
This whole story seems kinda .....

sketchy!   :geekdanc:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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eyeeatingfish

Re: "Offensive" sketch = call police?
« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2021, 08:23:02 PM »
I've read or heard nothing other than "charges."  No specific crimes were mentioned.

The alleged perp is a minor, so that name is shielded from the public.  The school was stupid enough to call 911, so they are the original complaining party.  It's that 3rd party parent who needs to be outed.  Since no charges were ever filed, it's up to the other parties involved to release that info ... because our glorious press can't be counted on for real journalism.

In all the articles I have seen, none of them mention what she was actually arrested for. If the cop handcuffs you and takes you to the station you are arrested for something even if you are later released without any charges. This makes me suspicious that something is being left out of the story.

Looking at the image CMO posted I am still suspicious of the claims. If officers arrested the girl for a crime they should have recovered the original drawing as evidence so how is the ACLU have the image? Maybe the girl took a screenshot? But moreover I can't imagine any cop looking at that photo and arresting a 10 year old over it. I know a few cops and if they got called to a school and shown that drawing they would get irritated at the school and tell them to stop wasting their time.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: "Offensive" sketch = call police?
« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2021, 08:43:46 PM »
In all the articles I have seen, none of them mention what she was actually arrested for. If the cop handcuffs you and takes you to the station you are arrested for something even if you are later released without any charges. This makes me suspicious that something is being left out of the story.

Looking at the image CMO posted I am still suspicious of the claims. If officers arrested the girl for a crime they should have recovered the original drawing as evidence so how is the ACLU have the image? Maybe the girl took a screenshot? But moreover I can't imagine any cop looking at that photo and arresting a 10 year old over it. I know a few cops and if they got called to a school and shown that drawing they would get irritated at the school and tell them to stop wasting their time.

What's left out is nobody seems to be talking to the parent who "wanted to press charges."  That parent could have made up all kinds of stuff to tell the staff and Cops.

We're missing half the story -- the half that the Cops and faculty both said was behaving more unreasonable than they've ever seen from any parent.  That's saying a lot!
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: "Offensive" sketch = call police?
« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2021, 09:18:48 PM »
What's left out is nobody seems to be talking to the parent who "wanted to press charges."  That parent could have made up all kinds of stuff to tell the staff and Cops.

We're missing half the story -- the half that the Cops and faculty both said was behaving more unreasonable than they've ever seen from any parent.  That's saying a lot!

Also a possibility, a parent or other child could have lied to the cops but I don't see where the drawing would come into play. The attorney seems to really put this supposed offensive picture at the heart of this all.

changemyoil66

Re: "Offensive" sketch = call police?
« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2021, 09:40:15 PM »
I want to hear the other sides story.

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changemyoil66

Re: "Offensive" sketch = call police?
« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2021, 10:43:35 AM »