BOLO theft of guns from a store (Read 6157 times)

oldfart

BOLO theft of guns from a store
« on: November 08, 2021, 09:46:48 AM »
Be on he lookout for really good deals (or any deal) from suspicious looking characters.
I got word that the ATF issued a warning that a dealer got hit.
That's all the solid info I have at the moment.
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changemyoil66

Re: BOLO theft of guns from a store
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2021, 09:56:47 AM »
Word on the block is they are 22LR rifles, less than 5 of them.

drck1000

Re: BOLO theft of guns from a store
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2021, 10:19:10 AM »
Word on the block is they are 22LR rifles, less than 5 of them.
:o

If I hadn't ordered my CZ 457, I would still be on the hunt.  That said, I generally would buy firearms from a LGS or online vendor VIA FFL, and VERY cautious on purchase via private sales.  Esp if a deposit was asked for. 

Lihikai

Re: BOLO theft of guns from a store
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2021, 06:04:24 PM »
Evening news showed a short video of the event at J. Hara.

surfmaster

DocMercy

Re: BOLO theft of guns from a store
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2021, 06:47:34 PM »
Hope the manager can release the serial numbers of the weapons to alert HPD, the ATF, and the general public.
The store needs to install an alarm that goes off immediately when the first door is breached. In 10 seconds or less it should trigger a pepper storm and exploding dye packs if the alarm system is not bypassed. This is one of the good small stores on the island, and one of the few places where people can get bows and fishing gear. :(

RSN172

Re: BOLO theft of guns from a store
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2021, 04:21:23 AM »
What? He neva take any ammo?
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Inspector

Re: BOLO theft of guns from a store
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2021, 04:25:10 AM »
What? He neva take any ammo?
Worth more than the rifles. And easier to dump. 🤦‍♂️
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: BOLO theft of guns from a store
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2021, 04:29:49 AM »
What? He neva take any ammo?

Maybe the store cleared out the gun safes and had all the ammo locked up?     :rofl:
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randay

Re: BOLO theft of guns from a store
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2021, 06:51:03 AM »
what an idiot, he wont even be able to use those guns since they arent properly registered!

oldfart

Re: BOLO theft of guns from a store
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2021, 06:54:10 AM »
According to the news story:

SW AR15

Rossi pump 22. Quite an unusual rifle. BOLO for this thing.

Ruger 10-22

Mini-14
Somewhat unusual gun and takes mini14 magazines

BOLO for somebody looking to buy 22 and 223 ammo and mini-14 magazines.
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garandtumb

Re: BOLO theft of guns from a store
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2021, 07:22:19 AM »
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« Last Edit: May 17, 2022, 02:01:09 PM by garandtumb »

dirsh

Re: BOLO theft of guns from a store
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2021, 07:33:40 AM »
Store should be charged with improper storage. What kind of gun store doesn’t lock up their guns in a safe?
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: BOLO theft of guns from a store
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2021, 12:55:38 PM »
Store should be charged with improper storage. What kind of gun store doesn’t lock up their guns in a safe?

The law doesn't require you to lock up your guns.  They only require that you implement "proper storage" if you have minors in the home, or if minors may be able to gain access to the gun/s (like kids visiting -- family members, friend's kids, etc.).

I doubt the store anticipates minors inside the store after closing.

I'm sure the store's insurance carrier's require some additional security, like alarms, video cameras and bars over glass doors and windows.  Locking all the guns in safes becomes a major task at the beginning and end of each business day.  Display cases and walls full of pistols and long guns could take a really long time to move to and from safes.
« Last Edit: November 09, 2021, 01:44:06 PM by Flapp_Jackson »
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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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DEROS

Re: BOLO theft of guns from a store
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2021, 01:01:44 PM »
What? He neva take any ammo?
Probably didn’t have any ammo.


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DocMercy

Re: BOLO theft of guns from a store
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2021, 04:08:35 PM »
I'm sure the store's insurance carrier's require some additional security, like alarms, video cameras and bars over glass doors and windows.  Locking all the guns in safes becomes a major task at the beginning and end of each business day.  Display cases and walls full of pistols and long guns could take a really long time to move to and from safes.

The US Senate is trying to push a new bill called the SECURE Act.

https://www.durbin.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/durbin-schneider-introduce-legislation-to-reduce-gun-violence-from-stolen-firearms

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The SECURE (Safety Enhancements for Communities Using Reasonable and Effective) Firearm Storage Act would address the problem of “smash and grab” gun store burglaries by requiring all firearms to be securely stored when a federally-licensed gun dealer is not open for business.

One of the suggested ideas is to place a rod through the trigger guard of all rifles out in the open. Bad idea because the placement of the trigger relative to the edges of guard is not uniform, so it may not fit. If it does not fit, you must quit. Other sponsors of the bill include Elizabeth Warren, Kirsten Gillibrand, i.e., the usual nudnicks.

A visit to other licensed gun dealers in Oahu suggests a consensus recommendation that J Hara Store replace their inner glass door with a reinforced metal one. This would greatly reduce the “smash and grab” problem. Use a security camera to preview the area outside the door. I would also recommend that the store not file an insurance claim, because most insurers look for any excuse to cancel your policy.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: BOLO theft of guns from a store
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2021, 04:38:00 PM »
The US Senate is trying to push a new bill called the SECURE Act.

https://www.durbin.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/durbin-schneider-introduce-legislation-to-reduce-gun-violence-from-stolen-firearms

One of the suggested ideas is to place a rod through the trigger guard of all rifles out in the open. Bad idea because the placement of the trigger relative to the edges of guard is not uniform, so it may not fit. If it does not fit, you must quit. Other sponsors of the bill include Elizabeth Warren, Kirsten Gillibrand, i.e., the usual nudnicks.

A visit to other licensed gun dealers in Oahu suggests a consensus recommendation that J Hara Store replace their inner glass door with a reinforced metal one. This would greatly reduce the “smash and grab” problem. Use a security camera to preview the area outside the door. I would also recommend that the store not file an insurance claim, because most insurers look for any excuse to cancel your policy.

Some trigger guards are polymer (Magpul), so a pair of wire or tin snips could be enough to defeat a trigger guard rod.

I was thinking maybe those metal gates they have in the mall that pull down.  Have a half-height version that pulls down to a metal trough attached to the wall just below the long gun display areas on the walls.  At quitting time, pull the gate down and secure it to the trough about a foot in front of the rifles.  Basically a cage for the wall areas that take a long time to try and defeat.

Display cases and floor racks are the hardest to protect.  I guess you could install those gates to lower on each side of the case area, and use padlocks to connect the corners?

Just thinking out loud.  Anything that's quick and easy to open and close while making it difficult for thieves to get around would be useful.  Has to be affordable for the businesses and secure enough to give alarm responders time to arrive on scene.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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RSN172

Re: BOLO theft of guns from a store
« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2021, 06:52:41 PM »
Pawn shops secure their entrance better than J Hara did.  You can’t break into a pawn shop with only a crow bar.
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dirsh

Re: BOLO theft of guns from a store
« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2021, 09:30:01 AM »
The law doesn't require you to lock up your guns.  They only require that you implement "proper storage" if you have minors in the home, or if minors may be able to gain access to the gun/s (like kids visiting -- family members, friend's kids, etc.).

I doubt the store anticipates minors inside the store after closing.

I'm sure the store's insurance carrier's require some additional security, like alarms, video cameras and bars over glass doors and windows.  Locking all the guns in safes becomes a major task at the beginning and end of each business day.  Display cases and walls full of pistols and long guns could take a really long time to move to and from safes.

Makes sense
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QUIETShooter

Re: BOLO theft of guns from a store
« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2021, 10:06:35 AM »
The thief was scoping out the place for a while.  Noticing the habits and SOP protocol of the shop.

My opinion:  Inside job.  Or a friend of a friend of a friend who took advantage of an employee who ran his mouth a little bit too much.

Pawn shops secure their entrance better than J Hara did.  You can’t break into a pawn shop with only a crow bar.
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