Well technically speaking they are counting everything from the common cold to motorcycle accidents to self inflicted gun shot wounds as "cases" so...

symptomatic much?

I have heard that sometimes when trying to track diseases scientists will consider diagnoses based on symptoms so this isn't a huge surprise. I have read that it is common in Africa to get HIV numbers because of the costs associated with testing kits in poor countries, but of course you would expect that to be less common in a wealthy nation. When someone goes to their doctor with flu symptoms, how often does the doctor get someone tested for influenza and how often do they just count it as the flu and send the patient home?

There might be a perfectly reasonable explanation for this, but I don't know so I am not going to rag on the CDC for this yet.

I have heard that sometimes when trying to track diseases scientists will consider diagnoses based on symptoms so this isn't a huge surprise. I have read that it is common in Africa to get HIV numbers because of the costs associated with testing kits in poor countries, but of course you would expect that to be less common in a wealthy nation. When someone goes to their doctor with flu symptoms, how often does the doctor get someone tested for influenza and how often do they just count it as the flu and send the patient home?

There might be a perfectly reasonable explanation for this, but I don't know so I am not going to rag on the CDC for this yet.

sars cov2 "cases" as defined by the cdc are only positive PCR tests.
HIV in africa and influenza are straw men...

sars cov2 "cases" as defined by the cdc are only positive PCR tests.
HIV in africa and influenza are straw men...

and as mentioned many times before, this is a change, where a "case" was defined by symptoms and a positive lab test (more specific than a PCR)
this was changed early last year just for this pandemic...

and as mentioned many times before, this is a change, where a "case" was defined by symptoms and a positive lab test (more specific than a PCR)
this was changed early last year just for this pandemic...

Funny how many long standing procedures were changed just for the pandemic...including the election.

Just a coincidence I suppose.

sars cov2 "cases" as defined by the cdc are only positive PCR tests.
HIV in africa and influenza are straw men...

I was merely giving this information as context, as a possible explanation. I have no idea if that type of counting plays any role.

I was merely giving this information as context, as a possible explanation. I have no idea if that type of counting plays any role.

then why bring it up if you don't know?
you are wrong
don't guess...

then why bring it up if you don't know?
you are wrong
don't guess...

I literally answered your question in my post... I gave it "as context, as a possible explanation"

I literally answered your question in my post... I gave it "as context, as a possible explanation"

i did not ask a question in my original post...

i did not ask a question in my original post...

I didn't say you did. I was referring to this question
"then why bring it up if you don't know?". You asked that question when my post contained the answer already

I didn't say you did. I was referring to this question
"then why bring it up if you don't know?". You asked that question when my post contained the answer already

If you're explaining your comments, you've already lost.

Move along.

 

Feels like twilight zone here…

https://twitter.com/bitternilikeit/status/1458280119269724164

Will trust the government on the 30th of February,

I didn't say you did. I was referring to this question
"then why bring it up if you don't know?". You asked that question when my post contained the answer already

and i said
you are wrong
your typical "hypothetical thought games" are not appropriate to this discussion
you admitted the possibility "I have no idea if that type of counting plays any role."
don't bring things up if you have no idea
it's simple...

and i said
you are wrong

Oh, because you said so? I made no statement that was incorrect yet you are telling me I am wrong?

your typical "hypothetical thought games" are not appropriate to this discussion
you admitted the possibility "I have no idea if that type of counting plays any role."
don't bring things up if you have no idea, it's simple...

This wasn't a hypothetical, it was context, nothing more, nothing less. Stop looking for an argument where there was none.
I knew it played a role in the counting of some diseases, I just didn't know if it played a role in covid. It is just something to consider before rushing to a judgement. Don't know why you hate context so much.

Oh, because you said so? I made no statement that was incorrect yet you are telling me I am wrong?


This wasn't a hypothetical, it was context, nothing more, nothing less. Stop looking for an argument where there was none.
I knew it played a role in the counting of some diseases, I just didn't know if it played a role in covid. It is just something to consider before rushing to a judgement. Don't know why you hate context so much.

Perhaps you can research that and get back to us?  It would be nice to know if that plays any role within the context of the COVID discussion.

When you add comments with no idea if they are relevant, they only serve to increase confusion and bump up the number of responses to read through.  Why create another tangent that you admittedly don't know applies to COVID when the discussion is all about COVID?

I know teens like to sit around and toss out random comments for no reason other than feel like they are participating.  Sometimes they get so far off track, they can't remember what they were supposed to be talking about.

#1  "It's cold outside."

#2  "I heard there may be an unusually cold low pressure system off the coast of Alaska."

#1  "How is that making it cold here?"

#2  "I have no idea why it's cold here.  It's just something I saw on the Weather Channel today."

Oh, because you said so? I made no statement that was incorrect yet you are telling me I am wrong?

you trying to relate HIV cases in africa and flu cases was entirely incorrect
sars cov2 "cases" are were strictly defined as pos pcr test and only a few months ago was a category added for presumptive cases, but this is not used much at all

This wasn't a hypothetical, it was context, nothing more, nothing less. Stop looking for an argument where there was none.
I knew it played a role in the counting of some diseases, I just didn't know if it played a role in covid. It is just something to consider before rushing to a judgement. Don't know why you hate context so much.

it's not context if it's incorrect...

Perhaps you can research that and get back to us?  It would be nice to know if that plays any role within the context of the COVID discussion.

When you add comments with no idea if they are relevant, they only serve to increase confusion and bump up the number of responses to read through.  Why create another tangent that you admittedly don't know applies to COVID when the discussion is all about COVID?

I know teens like to sit around and toss out random comments for no reason other than feel like they are participating.  Sometimes they get so far off track, they can't remember what they were supposed to be talking about.

The way my mind works I like to consider all the possibilities. I like context to help me get a fuller picture of the problem.

If you told me your gun didn't work at the range therefore it must be broken I would mention that sometimes ammunition can go bad as context to help further analyze the problem. Maybe the ammo isn't actually faulty but until it can be ruled out it is a possible explanation.

So in this case I mentioned an accepted medical practice in measuring another pandemic just so that people understand that sometimes diseases are counted without lab tests. To me that is good information to know when looking at number discrepancies just so we don't too quickly arrive at a conclusion that might not have considered all the possibilities. If we can say for certain it is not a factor then we can discard it, simple as that, but until we can say it is not a factor it is something to consider. If we can rule out your ammunition then we can conclude something is wrong with the gun and look further for an explanation.