I hope McDonalds got a better security camera system.  My first system using a VHS recorder was better than that.  One picture a second and no audio?  Ridiculous.

You (meaning everybody) decide if he’s guilty of a crime or not.
He’s guilty, IMO.
Talk about provocation.
Elderts might have been a punk and lipping off, but anyone whose has time here knows if you’re going confront that guy you better be ready to throw.
Elderts does what any drunk punk local would do. He gets up and steps in. Fight ensues. Elderts kicks Deedy’s ass. Deeds shoots him.
Nobody in Hawaii generally carries especially not tourists. Which is what Deedy looked like.
Deedy called him, he stepped up, they went up and up, got smashed and killed him. Elderts wasn’t committing any crime.

Prosecutor’s messed up not including the lesser crime in the first trial and swinging for the fence.
Just my opinion.

Problem is that you shouldn't have to be ready to throw. If a guy is being a problem, a good samaritan should be able to tell him to calm down without having to be ready/willing to fight because of it.

I watched the video again and it isn't quite smooth enough to really get a good idea of how hostilities progressed. I don't think I would have shot as early as Deedy did if I were in the same situation but I don't think it necessarily amounts to murder either. Manslaughter? Maybe but even then not a real strong case. I would have to listen to all the testimony again to get a real well informed opinion but if Elderts was really smashing Deedy's head into the ground then I could see a justified shooting.

You (meaning everybody) decide if he’s guilty of a crime or not.
He’s guilty, IMO.
Talk about provocation.
Elderts might have been a punk and lipping off, but anyone whose has time here knows if you’re going confront that guy you better be ready to throw.
Elderts does what any drunk punk local would do. He gets up and steps in. Fight ensues. Elderts kicks Deedy’s ass. Deeds shoots him.
Nobody in Hawaii generally carries especially not tourists. Which is what Deedy looked like.
Deedy called him, he stepped up, they went up and up, got smashed and killed him. Elderts wasn’t committing any crime.

Prosecutor’s messed up not including the lesser crime in the first trial and swinging for the fence.
Just my opinion.

He assaulted a Federal Agent.  I'm pretty sure assault and battery is a crime whether or not Deedy identified himself as an agent.

That’s some MSM editing of my comments. 

Problem is that you shouldn't have to be ready to throw. If a guy is being a problem, a good samaritan should be able to tell him to calm down without having to be ready/willing to fight because of it.

I watched the video again and it isn't quite smooth enough to really get a good idea of how hostilities progressed. I don't think I would have shot as early as Deedy did if I were in the same situation but I don't think it necessarily amounts to murder either. Manslaughter? Maybe but even then not a real strong case. I would have to listen to all the testimony again to get a real well informed opinion but if Elderts was really smashing Deedy's head into the ground then I could see a justified shooting.

If 1 is.getting their head smashed in, use of deadly force is too late. Look at Myeni, cops arm went limp as he got his face smashed in. Good thing he had back up. Had he been alone, he might be dead.

So deedy and others would pull their gun b4 head smashing begins.

As a civilian, use of deadly force if u believe death or serious injury would happen. Idk ROE for LEOs off duty.

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If 1 is.getting their head smashed in, use of deadly force is too late. Look at Myeni, cops arm went limp as he got his face smashed in. Good thing he had back up. Had he been alone, he might be dead.

So deedy and others would pull their gun b4 head smashing begins.

As a civilian, use of deadly force if u believe death or serious injury would happen. Idk ROE for LEOs off duty.

Same ROE applies to LE and civilians alike.  If you're carrying a firearm, and someone is assaulting you, the worst case scenario is they disarm you.  They can shoot you, shoot others in the area, or flee with it and commit crimes with it later.  Short answer -- never allow your firearm to be taken from you.  If you're in an altercation and are unable to defend yourself from the attacker/s without the firearm, you have the right (duty?) to defend yourself with that force you deem necessary.

George Zimmerman was in the same boat with his head being smashed on the sidewalk.  He testified he felt he was close to losing consciousness.  It's impossible to maintain control of a firearm if you are unconscious. 

If 1 is.getting their head smashed in, use of deadly force is too late. Look at Myeni, cops arm went limp as he got his face smashed in. Good thing he had back up. Had he been alone, he might be dead.

Not necessarily. IIRC in the Zimmerman trial he stated that he was getting punched in the head repeatedly causing his head also to hit the sidewalk repeatedly and he felt that he was starting to lose consciousness. Depends on what you can articulate.

Not necessarily. IIRC in the Zimmerman trial he stated that he was getting punched in the head repeatedly causing his head also to hit the sidewalk repeatedly and he felt that he was starting to lose consciousness. Depends on what you can articulate.

Did u watch the bodycam? Myeni didnt show any sign of stopping when he was smashing the cops face in? Did u hear his cadence while raining blows and how he wasnt gassing out either.

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If 1 is.getting their head smashed in, use of deadly force is too late. Look at Myeni, cops arm went limp as he got his face smashed in. Good thing he had back up. Had he been alone, he might be dead.

According to his spouse, that is how he greets people where he is from

One thing missing here is the Hawaiian sense of self preservation.
I used to live in a place where a good percentage of people concealed carried.
Only a very stupid person ever escalated an aggression when the other
person backed down and did not act afraid.
You were about to die if you pushed it further and
you KNEW that!

So some drunk Braddah beats me up bad.
I'm all fucked up for the rest of my life and he is in jail for a bit.
How would it end if I'm OK, and his arrogant, aggressive brains are spread all over the wall?
What is the better end?  Two lives ruined or just one?
Plus the sure knowledge that acts of Bravado and aggression in public won't end well
for the arrogant ass?  An armed society is a polite one.
 

According to his spouse, that is how he greets people where he is from

Did they even release a tox report?

One thing missing here is the Hawaiian sense of self preservation.
I used to live in a place where a good percentage of people concealed carried.
Only a very stupid person ever escalated an aggression when the other
person backed down and did not act afraid.
You were about to die if you pushed it further and
you KNEW that!

So some drunk Braddah beats me up bad.
I'm all fucked up for the rest of my life and he is in jail for a bit.
How would it end if I'm OK, and his arrogant, aggressive brains are spread all over the wall?
What is the better end?  Two lives ruined or just one?
Plus the sure knowledge that acts of Bravado and aggression in public won't end well
for the arrogant ass?  An armed society is a polite one.
 

Some people go through life never learning that their personal actions have real consequences. 
They ACT all big and tough, maybe get in a few fights when they push too hard, but nothing life altering.

But then, it happens ......

Elderts thought he was BJ Penn.

Isn’t that Clint’s son as the white kid in that scene ?
Good movie.

Elderts thought he was BJ Penn.

Isn’t that Clint’s son as the white kid in that scene ?
Good movie.

Would have ended way different if the Cop knew he was in a "Shall issue" state
as opposed to one where the Honest people are disarmed.
I like polite and slightly afraid cops, as opposed to belligerent
overlords free from any restraints.
Union will always get you your pension.
and pay for all law-suits.
 

95% or more of the time, it is a bad idea to get involved in a 3rd party altercation,  unless someone was in imminent danger of getting killed or seriously hurt AND you are in  a position to help. Like if you came across 7 guys gang raping a girl and the only weapon you have ia a 4 inch tactical folder.  In such a case, run and get help.

95% or more of the time, it is a bad idea to get involved in a 3rd party altercation,  unless someone was in imminent danger of getting killed or seriously hurt AND you are in  a position to help. Like if you came across 7 guys gang raping a girl and the only weapon you have ia a 4 inch tactical folder.  In such a case, run and get help.

Stick the Tactical folder in some's back as you run for help.
I never fight fair.
 

Would have ended way different if the Cop knew he was in a "Shall issue" state
as opposed to one where the Honest people are disarmed.
I like polite and slightly afraid cops, as opposed to belligerent
overlords free from any restraints.
Union will always get you your pension.
and pay for all law-suits.
 

I find it interesting how his friend and fellow agent testified that he warned Deedy of the difference between "haole" and "f-ing haole".

95% or more of the time, it is a bad idea to get involved in a 3rd party altercation,  unless someone was in imminent danger of getting killed or seriously hurt AND you are in  a position to help. Like if you came across 7 guys gang raping a girl and the only weapon you have ia a 4 inch tactical folder.  In such a case, run and get help.

Correct, one doesn't know why 1 guy is stabbing or shooting or kicking a face in of another guy. Could be the guy getting worked raped his sister. Then add in a lawsuit you will face if you harm/kill someone.  And this is all for  a stranger. Thanks to our court system, the lawsuit outcome is bound to happen. Which makes me think twice about helping anyone.

Now the rape story is definitely different from the above statement. 

Did u watch the bodycam? Myeni didnt show any sign of stopping when he was smashing the cops face in? Did u hear his cadence while raining blows and how he wasnt gassing out either.

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I watched the video, that doesn't disprove what I was saying though. Sometimes a person getting their head bashed in is unconscious but sometimes they are still conscious and can draw and fire a weapon.

I watched the video, that doesn't disprove what I was saying though. Sometimes a person getting their head bashed in is unconscious but sometimes they are still conscious and can draw and fire a weapon.

Ok, good luck with that. Guess cops should know how much blows to the face they can take before getting knocked out. And how much injuries theyre willing to take by allowing said blows to happen.

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