if they feel that we are weak and Biden signals his approval to China they will take Taiwan in a heartbeat.

Biden is their boy. Our media covered up Hunter’s laptop and all the other connections that clearly demonstrate the Biden family is controlled by the CCP. He will do whatever they tell him to.

Taiwan is already gone because our ability to protect force has severely diminished, as demonstrated in the Afghanistan retreat

Our monetary system is already gone, along with our savings and investments thanks to inflation that is about to get a whole lot worse as CCP collaborating corporations  and politicians finish hollowing out our economy

All that remains to fight over is our slavery to our own CCP collaborating billionaire class that want us to eat bugs, live in tiny boxes, and compete with waves of illegal immigrants

The CCP destroyed us without firing a shot, and the only way to stop it from getting worse is to replace everyone in our political class who participated in this treason

Although I agree with your line of reasoning, I respectfully disagree with your premise that your sincere and logical assessment is based.

From your post, it is alluded that the US and the World is somehow responsible keeping China from reunifying with the Republic of China (i.e., Taiwan).  This is the point of fact that can be confusing.  For all tense and purpose, the island known as Taiwan is not and has never been an internationally recognized independent state, unlike the Hawaiian Kingdom, and, hence, officially a part of China.  There is no legal internationally recognized dispute to this fact.  Hence, any action to the contrary is not internationally justifiable as to why there has never been a UN resolution suggested by the US to this effect.  Consequently, the US has no right to get involved in what is legally a domestic matter between China and the Republic of China (i.e., Taiwan).

Moreover, if in the unfortunate event China decides to use its military to achieve reunification, it is still no country's business.  Imagine if California decides to declare its independence from the US empire.  Since this situation is clearly an internal matter within the US, it would be nothing but an act of war by any nation that tried to politically and/or militarily support the California succession.  Consequently, if the US decided to politically and/or militarily intervene against China's reunification efforts with the Republic of China (i.e., Taiwan), it is nothing but an belligerent act of war, which is nothing short of WWIII and truly not in the interest of common Americans.

The bottom line: The legally internal issues between China and the Republic of China (i.e., Taiwan) is not America's business and America should rather put more time and attention in getting its economy and national debt under control.

I am not sure I was very clear in what I was trying to say. And for that I apologize. So let us take the topic of whether is it our right to interfere or not out of the equation. And let us take the topic if it is our business or not out of the equation. I was not trying to get to the point whether we intervene or not. And that is where I apparently was not clear. I completely understand what you are saying and I was not trying to argue any of those points either way. We can discuss those points if you like, but I think you already know we don’t completely agree nor disagree on them.

My whole point of what I was trying to get across is that we have an incompetent commander in chief. And a just as incompetent administration. And we won’t know if we get involved or not due to the mixed messages, and sometimes contradicting messages that have been coming out by Biden and his administration. In other words, Biden says we come to the aid of Taiwan if they are attacked. And a couple of hours later his administration walks that comment back. Talk about mixed messages. As it could happen, and what I am afraid of, is that China will get a message from Biden and his administration that it is okay to take Taiwan back and then Biden steps in and tries to stop China and get us involved in a war. All due to his incompetency and a lack of clear and concise policies and competent leadership. That is all I was trying to get at.

My whole point of what I was trying to get across is that we have an incompetent commander in chief. And a just as incompetent administration. And we won’t know if we get involved or not due to the mixed messages, and sometimes contradicting messages that have been coming out by Biden and his administration. In other words, Biden says we come to the aid of Taiwan if they are attacked. And a couple of hours later his administration walks that comment back. Talk about mixed messages. As it could happen, and what I am afraid of, is that China will get a message from Biden and his administration that it is okay to take Taiwan back and then Biden steps in and tries to stop China and get us involved in a war. All due to his incompetency and a lack of clear and concise policies and competent leadership. That is all I was trying to get at.

You’re making the mistake of assuming that the words of the pants pooping dementia patient actually matter. “Old Friend” was never very good at getting his lines straight even when his brain was still mostly functioning. The message from the administration is clear as crystal. They are selling us out in exchange for a place of privilege in the new order.

Biden is their boy.

It started way earlier than Biden. Remember Richard Nixon? He and Kissinger opened the door to diplomatic relations with China. All the billionaires who do not give a sh*t about the working class turned China into the world's cheapest maker of crap that breaks down one day after the warranty expires. Just imagine if we maintained a trade embargo on China that lasted as long as the one we placed on Cuba? China would be in the stone age.

Now, why did we fall so far behind on hypersonic missile technology (the deciding factor in the next major sea battle)? Both parties screwed up, and instead of worrying about falling behind the technology curve, we spend all our time arguing about trivial matters like Afghanistan. Watch the Netflix movie Spectral about how a lesser power leapfrogged the U.S.

Biden is their boy. Our media covered up Hunter’s laptop and all the other connections that clearly demonstrate the Biden family is controlled by the CCP. He will do whatever they tell him to.

Taiwan is already gone because our ability to protect force has severely diminished, as demonstrated in the Afghanistan retreat

Our monetary system is already gone, along with our savings and investments thanks to inflation that is about to get a whole lot worse as CCP collaborating corporations  and politicians finish hollowing out our economy

All that remains to fight over is our slavery to our own CCP collaborating billionaire class that want us to eat bugs, live in tiny boxes, and compete with waves of illegal immigrants

The CCP destroyed us without firing a shot, and the only way to stop it from getting worse is to replace everyone in our political class who participated in this treason

I completely agree Biden and Hunter are beholden to China. That has been proven already.

I’ll get to Taiwan at the end.

I don’t know if you are old enough to have lived through the same conditions under Jimmy Carter? It was tough. And I personally lost my job and I had to take two minimum wage jobs in order to barely keep my head above water. And even after I got my old job back I had to keep one of the minimum wage jobs to stay ahead of the inflation. But along with the inflation came high interest rates. This included but not limited to 5%-6% interest on savings accounts at common banks. Also, 12%+ rates on CD’s. Even higher returns on stocks, bonds and dividends. And even higher at credit unions and for some specialty investments. So while it was not quite enough to keep up with the rampant inflation, the smart people minimized their losses with the proper investments. Not an ideal situation. And people who didn’t invest any of their earnings did suffer the brunt of what inflation does best. With that said, after we voted Carter out it took about 2 years for Reagan to get things normalized. Not back to normal, but to a point where we were no longer slipping farther and farther down the inflation rabbit hole. Eventually interest rates normalized. And those of us who locked in investment rates for 10+ years did quite well as prices normalized and wages caught up and employment normalized again. Bottom line I can’t agree our monetary system is gone yet. If we get Biden out and say Trump gets back in we can get back to something that feels normal again. I think only time will tell if we are too far gone yet or not. I wouldn’t be surprised if you are right but I just don’t think I can agree until we see what happens farther down the road with the next elections in 2022 and 2024.

I also can’t disagree about the elites and ruling class hating us. They despise us and it shows.

I also can’t disagree about how China has been destroying us from the inside out. I see it very plainly. I think where we disagree is that I think Trump put a halt to a lot of the degradation through his use of sanctions and strict economic policies. And I agree the only way to stop and reverse it is to replace all the corrupt political class participants and bring them to justice.

Now for Taiwan. Strategically Taiwan is not necessary for us like say Hawaii is. The problem I have is the incompetent leadership we have. How can our leadership defend Taiwan competently, if that is what we decide to do even if we have superior forces? I am not sure we can win, because I don’t know how strong China really is. Their forces and equipment are unproven in battle. Maybe they have overwhelming numbers? I think the real reason we would lose a war with China is because of our incompetent leadership. Is Taiwan gone already? Probably. But until I see it play out I can’t say for sure. Here is the thing, I think we will just let them walk in and take it without us lifting one finger. Just like Obama did with Crimea. But that is just my opinion. Doesn’t mean anything. 

I am not sure I was very clear in what I was trying to say. And for that I apologize. So let us take the topic of whether is it our right to interfere or not out of the equation. And let us take the topic if it is our business or not out of the equation. I was not trying to get to the point whether we intervene or not. And that is where I apparently was not clear. I completely understand what you are saying and I was not trying to argue any of those points either way. We can discuss those points if you like, but I think you already know we don’t completely agree nor disagree on them.

My whole point of what I was trying to get across is that we have an incompetent commander in chief. And a just as incompetent administration. And we won’t know if we get involved or not due to the mixed messages, and sometimes contradicting messages that have been coming out by Biden and his administration. In other words, Biden says we come to the aid of Taiwan if they are attacked. And a couple of hours later his administration walks that comment back. Talk about mixed messages. As it could happen, and what I am afraid of, is that China will get a message from Biden and his administration that it is okay to take Taiwan back and then Biden steps in and tries to stop China and get us involved in a war. All due to his incompetency and a lack of clear and concise policies and competent leadership. That is all I was trying to get at.

Mahalo for the clarification, as I apologize for not reading between the lines.   

There is no doubt the hopefully functioning person leading the free-World is not being clear enough on America's foreign policy, which can lead to horrific miscalculations.  I pray all parties involved realize this and cooler heads prevail.

It started way earlier than Biden. Remember Richard Nixon? He and Kissinger opened the door to diplomatic relations with China. All the billionaires who do not give a sh*t about the working class turned China into the world's cheapest maker of crap that breaks down one day after the warranty expires. Just imagine if we maintained a trade embargo on China that lasted as long as the one we placed on Cuba? China would be in the stone age.

Totally correct.

But here is the kicker, the ultrawealthy you mention will continue to forsake their own populace for cheaper labor and higher profits.  Capitalism at its worst.

Here is more insight on who is goading who for a global war with respect to the US, China, and Russia.

This is how a discussion is suppposed to take place. 1 makes a statement backed by a info. If someone disagrees, they state why and dont use 1 liners.

Then if a misunderstanding took place, it' admitted or clarified. No goal post moving, no lack of respect, no posting invalid links to a flawed argument, etc....

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Trump's trade war against China actually brought back a lot of jobs to the USA, which is why the CCP worked so hard with their USA corporate proxies to get rid of him

War with China would be suicide now that CCP has maneuvered their proxies to install woke generals like Milley, purged the ranks of patriots, and poisoned the rest with clot shots

Luckily China has also made some bad mistakes and set itself up for a fall as well, but that could take a while.

Our best option is to roll back our empire and kickstart some diplomatic relationships that can economically contain them until the Lao Baixing can rise up and overthrow the criminal Xi and his murderous regime

This is how a discussion is suppposed to take place. 1 makes a statement backed by a info. If someone disagrees, they state why and dont use 1 liners.

Then if a misunderstanding took place, it' admitted or clarified. No goal post moving, no lack of respect, no posting invalid links to a flawed argument, etc....

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"It wasn't always so" - (forget which movie that came from, old timers kicking in)

Of course the could. We could also surprise attack them. Anything "could" happen.

I don’t know if you are old enough to have lived through the same conditions under Jimmy Carter? It was tough. And I personally lost my job and I had to take two minimum wage jobs in order to barely keep my head above water. And even after I got my old job back I had to keep one of the minimum wage jobs to stay ahead of the inflation. But along with the inflation came high interest rates. This included but not limited to 5%-6% interest on savings accounts at common banks. Also, 12%+ rates on CD’s. Even higher returns on stocks, bonds and dividends. And even higher at credit unions and for some specialty investments. So while it was not quite enough to keep up with the rampant inflation, the smart people minimized their losses with the proper investments. Not an ideal situation. And people who didn’t invest any of their earnings did suffer the brunt of what inflation does best. With that said, after we voted Carter out it took about 2 years for Reagan to get things normalized. Not back to normal, but to a point where we were no longer slipping farther and farther down the inflation rabbit hole. Eventually interest rates normalized. And those of us who locked in investment rates for 10+ years did quite well as prices normalized and wages caught up and employment normalized again. Bottom line I can’t agree our monetary system is gone yet. If we get Biden out and say Trump gets back in we can get back to something that feels normal again. I think only time will tell if we are too far gone yet or not. I wouldn’t be surprised if you are right but I just don’t think I can agree until we see what happens farther down the road with the next elections in 2022 and 2024.

In the 1970's our domestic petroleum supply peaked and we started to confront the fact that we do not have access to infinite energy. Moves were made towards conservation with smaller cars, scaled back lifestyles, etc. until Regan signed us up with OPEC, kickstarting the energy orgy that was the 1980's which lasted all the way up until 2003 (or therabouts) when the world supply of petroleum peaked. The crash in 2008 was over speculative assets because those were the only parts of the economy that continued to grow, since nobody could get a decent return on the actual economy of goods and services due to the restrictions of energy and other raw materials. That would have been the beginning of serious decline but the fracking boom took off, giving us a quick temporary shot of energy like a Hunter Biden finding a lost crack rock in the carpet after his supply ran out. Unfortunately the numbers on fracking do not work for a number of reasons, so now we are out of tricks to extend the age of cheap energy any further. Industrial civilization has begun the long turbulent process of shutting down, ushering in an era of resource wars where the United States can no longer project power to claim new resources like in times past.

So as you can see the circumstances are a lot different this time. There is only one Saudi Arabia and their wells are in decline. It doesn't matter who ends up in the WH or how many billionaires go to prison. We failed to plan for the future and are now facing hard physical limits, dangerous foreign enemies, and a race baiting kleptocratic establishment that is stealing everything not tied down.

In the 1970's our domestic petroleum supply peaked and we started to confront the fact that we do not have access to infinite energy. Moves were made towards conservation with smaller cars, scaled back lifestyles, etc. until Regan signed us up with OPEC, kickstarting the energy orgy that was the 1980's which lasted all the way up until 2003 (or therabouts) when the world supply of petroleum peaked. The crash in 2008 was over speculative assets because those were the only parts of the economy that continued to grow, since nobody could get a decent return on the actual economy of goods and services due to the restrictions of energy and other raw materials. That would have been the beginning of serious decline but the fracking boom took off, giving us a quick temporary shot of energy like a Hunter Biden finding a lost crack rock in the carpet after his supply ran out. Unfortunately the numbers on fracking do not work for a number of reasons, so now we are out of tricks to extend the age of cheap energy any further. Industrial civilization has begun the long turbulent process of shutting down, ushering in an era of resource wars where the United States can no longer project power to claim new resources like in times past.

So as you can see the circumstances are a lot different this time. There is only one Saudi Arabia and their wells are in decline. It doesn't matter who ends up in the WH or how many billionaires go to prison. We failed to plan for the future and are now facing hard physical limits, dangerous foreign enemies, and a race baiting kleptocratic establishment that is stealing everything not tied down.

So are you saying we can never get back to being energy independent ever again like we were just a little over a year ago? Our capitalist economy determined the price of our oil just a year ago, not OPEC/Russia. We had cheap oil and natural gas. That was just a year ago. If our government quit interfering in our oil industry we could get back to that in a heartbeat. The oil supply that the US relies on is being artificially manipulated by our government. If that is what you are saying is different this time, then I will agree. But I don’t agree we have reached peak oil in the 70’s since we have discovered more oil reserves since then. Also, with the advent of fracking we now have now have more reserves than we has back in the 70’s. So between new found reserves and with the advent of fracking we have a lot more options than we did in the 70’s. Canada is a huge oil partner with our petroleum companies and they also have tremendous reserves that have grown due to fracking. During our energy independence under Trump the price of oil stabilized between $45-$50/barrel which means fracking is profitable at that level. That was only a year ago. So am I misunderstanding what you are saying? Or is it that we just disagree?

So are you saying we can never get back to being energy independent ever again like we were just a little over a year ago? Our capitalist economy determined the price of our oil just a year ago, not OPEC/Russia. We had cheap oil and natural gas. That was just a year ago. If our government quit interfering in our oil industry we could get back to that in a heartbeat. The oil supply that the US relies on is being artificially manipulated by our government. If that is what you are saying is different this time, then I will agree. But I don’t agree we have reached peak oil in the 70’s since we have discovered more oil reserves since then. Also, with the advent of fracking we now have now have more reserves than we has back in the 70’s. So between new found reserves and with the advent of fracking we have a lot more options than we did in the 70’s. Canada is a huge oil partner with our petroleum companies and they also have tremendous reserves that have grown due to fracking. During our energy independence under Trump the price of oil stabilized between $45-$50/barrel which means fracking is profitable at that level. That was only a year ago. So am I misunderstanding what you are saying? Or is it that we just disagree?

The hype of energy independence is a lie. We are now experiencing oil shocks related to demand destruction. When oil prices rise it wipes out a chunk of our economy, and as a result both demand and prices drop. New economic activity attempts to start up again to take advantage of lower prices, but then the cycle repeats and we fall to an even lower tier of economic activity. This process takes a while to play out and most people won’t notice right away that there is something very wrong going on. Remember in the 70’s when someone could raise a family and own a home on a single working class job? Don’t try that today unless you want to end up starving under a bridge somewhere.

EROI matters

Fracking is a very expensive way to get oil out of the ground. The key concept is Energy Return On Investment. So far we have played some interesting shell games with financial instruments that made it appear profitable, but at the end of the day it’s not money that crushes shale but big expensive energy-hungry machines. You can shove dollar bills onto an empty fuel tank but it’s not going to make more oil come out of the ground. The so-called green alternatives and nuclear all have the same problem. None of them make sense without subsidies, and the subsidies are only possible with cheap oil that doesn’t exist any more.

Also when you keep these issues in mind our international conflicts over the past 40 years start to make a lot more sense.