Ricochet Breaks Car Window at Koko Head Pistol Range (Read 25650 times)

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Re: Ricochet Breaks Car Window at Koko Head Pistol Range
« Reply #40 on: September 27, 2012, 12:15:38 PM »
Nope.  I researched this for an article in the Hawaii Rifleman.  The C&C rules governing TheBus prohibit it.

Can you show me a link?
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Re: Ricochet Breaks Car Window at Koko Head Pistol Range
« Reply #41 on: September 27, 2012, 05:27:20 PM »
Can you show me a link?

Nope.  The rules in question don't exist online.  I never actually SAW a hardcopy.  But I did spend a few days on the phone before I found someone who had a copy, and she read the section to me. 
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Re: Ricochet Breaks Car Window at Koko Head Pistol Range
« Reply #42 on: September 27, 2012, 09:45:47 PM »
Nope.  The rules in question don't exist online.  I never actually SAW a hardcopy.  But I did spend a few days on the phone before I found someone who had a copy, and she read the section to me.

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Re: Ricochet Breaks Car Window at Koko Head Pistol Range
« Reply #43 on: September 28, 2012, 12:48:48 AM »
Bro come on, that's not even nice.

Lets stick with proper terminology.

It would be more politically correct to say "caca poopoo"

Bah... kids maybe look at dis... hear you, all potty talk from now on....my bad...

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Re: Ricochet Breaks Car Window at Koko Head Pistol Range
« Reply #44 on: September 28, 2012, 03:38:49 AM »
Chris, did a little quick digging through the Honolulu Revised Ordinances and only found this section
Carrying or possessing any flammable, combustible, explosive, corrosive, or highly toxic liquid or
other substance, article or material which is likely to cause harm to others or to emit any foul or
noxious dust, mist, fume, gas, vapor, or odor; provided that nothing contained in this subdivision shall
be construed as prohibiting a person from carrying or possessing any match or any cigar, cigarette, or
pipe lighter, which is not lighted or smoldering;

Doesn't seem like firearms or ammo would fall under that. Good luck with your research.
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Re: Ricochet Breaks Car Window at Koko Head Pistol Range
« Reply #45 on: September 28, 2012, 06:53:36 AM »
That might be addressed in the bus company, transportation district (or whatever) rules, rather than the statutes. Or in the Department of Transportation rules (which may govern trucks and orther commercial traffic.)  Whether that has the force of law would be another question.

I'm not on solid ground by stating this becuase I usually avoid public transportation, but the Regional Transportation District out here (commonly called RTD, which runs the bus and light rail system) seems to be a quasi-governmental organization whose service area overlaps several cities and counties.

They (RTD, here) recently started putting biiiig signs over the left hand turn signal areas of the buses warning that you must yield to the bus when pulling out with its signals on, and conclude in biiiiig-assed lettering, "It's the Law."  When they started that, I wondered, "What law?" but I never researched it.  If indeed that's "The Law," it seems kind of dangerous in terms of traffic rules, since the buses now have "carte blanche" to just haul ass out of a bus stop and screw you, the mere mortal behind it.

So.  Maybe you ought to contact your bus outfit or commercial traffic regulatory agency directly, although I warn you in advance that whoever you contact may well lie about it so demand specific citations.

And the phrase "article or material which is likely to cause harm to others" is, once again, so vaguely worded that I wonder about its enforceability.  "Likely?"  If I go to the supermarket and incidentally pick up a can of Drano and a couple of those small propane tanks for my little Bernz soldering torch, or a can of lighter fluid for my Zippo along with  my milk and hamburger, can I carry them home on the bus?

Or do I have to Hazmat them home by Fedex or something?

Too often I have seen "laws" which can only interpreted in terms of "Oh, you know what I mean."

Well, no.  Criminal laws are supposed to be specifically written, I am told.

"Likely," indeeed.

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Re: Ricochet Breaks Car Window at Koko Head Pistol Range
« Reply #46 on: September 28, 2012, 07:48:45 AM »
sounds like some kaa kaa pee pee... but hey I wasn't dea... ???  ??? ;D :P :thumbsup:

Ca-ca-poo-poo-pee-pee on the original article about the car window breaking, or on my theorizing about deformation, or the apparent reality of bullets spinning on ice?

I'm not a mind reader, and if your remark is meant as feedback on my posts, I'd like to know, in order to correct any deficiencies therein.

???

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Re: Ricochet Breaks Car Window at Koko Head Pistol Range
« Reply #47 on: September 28, 2012, 08:03:52 AM »
DOUBLE POST :(
I do believe that the radical and crazy notion that the Founders meant what they said, is gradually soaking through the judicial system.