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Watching this video is sad and discouraging because the police are normally not equipped to handle non-lethal immobilization.  A Taser might not work on the subject because his nervous system may be compromised.

What might have worked? In the days of Roy Rogers, a lasso would have stopped the man. In the 21st century, the BolaWrap, might be effective.

You can't use the "Tasers may not work" excuse if you didn't even TRY to deploy a Taser.  In the video, it would have been very easy to deploy one and THEN decide what to do next.

If the guy in the wheel chair can't be mobile without the chair, you can immobilize it -- put an object in the wheels or hold it from behind, etc.

If nothing else, they could have just knocked his chair over. 

This is a very unique case.  That's because most reasonable people understand someone in a wheelchair can be controlled.  The Cops in the video didn't even try.

Put brick in front of the wheel and wheel chair is now inoperable.

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If 2 Cops can't subdue a man in a wheelchair brandishing a tiny knife without using deadly force, we have bigger issues with the police than we already thought.

C'mon, man!

pursue until the battery runs out...

pursue until the battery runs out...

He was trying to enter Lowe's.  Maybe he was looking for a portable electric charger?

Most likely trying to find a better weapon than his tiny knife.  Lot's of cool stuff to choose from, like battery operated chain saws and nail guns!

The video shows one extreme reaction to shoplifting.

Then there's the other extreme ....

https://nypost.com/2021/09/29/wild-video-shows-shoplifters-steal-from-marshalls-as-employees-just-watch/

Maybe the perp saw shoplifters on the news and thought that is how things work now?

Lots of things could be done.  Pepper spray, taser, baton, kick chair over, turn the chair off, clear the store.

Jam one of the wheels and watch him spin around.  Shoot out the battery and hilarity ensues.

That cop is going to jail for a while.

I'm speechless.  If this weren't real I would think it was a SNL skit about police brutality.

I don't know how heavy one of these wheelchairs is but I think I would try to tip the wheelchair. This isn't without some risk, if the guy was flexible he could turn and try to stab you but I think it would be an effective low risk solution. If that was too scary how about a baton and wack the knife out of his hands... he may suffer a broken risk.

I don't know what the guy said to the officers, there may have been reason to consider him to be a threat beyond merely having the knife. If he were walking like a normal person then it may have been justified but it is hard to argue this guy presented an imminent threat. Plus 8 shots?

I wonder if he went code black? Either way he does not have what it takes to be a cop and I would lean towards criminal charges.

Shoplifting?  Big deal.  it's legal if you don't go over a big dollar amount.

Pointing a tiny knife at employees?  It's not like he had a gun.

He fled in his wheelchair.  It's not like he tried to run anyone over in his SUV with the Handi-Lift ramp.

He would still be alive if he'd just not removed his COVID mask.  Cops are serious about that sh!#.

Bola wrap would be ineffective since he has wheels and not legs.  My suggestion would be a big enough pot hole for his chair to get stuck in.  Take your pick from any number of them on our streets.  These motorized scooters are heavy and tipping it over with him in it could result in him being pinned or crushed under it - there's a reason why these things go on a lift on The Bus or Handi Van. I'd have just pepper sprayed him or tased him.  I wouldn't have shot unless he was actively trying to slash/stab that store employee or someone else.

This is why police need better training and better screening during the hiring process.

Given your comment, you've already formed an opinion: these two specific Cops were not adequately trained nor screened. 

I wasn't able to ascertain ANY root causes that explain why they did what they did.  You obviously have some insight or information that wasn't part of the video or narrative.

What are the Cops taught now?  Specifically the Cops working the jurisdiction in this story?  How was their training lacking?  Can you give specifics? 

Based on your answer to the above, what changes do you think ought to be made to their curriculum?

Do the same for screening -- details on how it's done now, and what you recommend for future screening processes.  Was there something in these Cops' background the process missed?  Did they have a history of violence, domestic abuse, etc. that went unnoticed or which was dismissed as unimportant?

I'd be interested to know what your recommendations are.  "Better" is kind of ambiguous and relative. 

I only ask, because I find it inconceivable that anyone would do what they did merely because they missed a day at the academy when the instructors went over The Use Of Force Continuum. Neither do I think any specific "screening" would have predicted how these two would act in this situation. 

I think you should hire cops that want to be servants of the people. Obviously this cop was not trained. What reasonable person would have shot this person? Of course none and that is why the officer was fired. The department could probably improve their hiring practices and they should surely be reviewed.

You didn't even come close to answering my questions.

As I predicted.

You know nothing about the training and screening that's in place now, so whatever you "think" is unsupported conjecture and baseless opinion.

What about their hiring practices need to be improved?  How do you know the Cop didn't get trained?  Have you seen his training records?

You sound exactly like the anti-gun crowd who knows nothing about guns pushing for more gun laws -- even though they don't know anything about existing laws nor anything about guns.

 

What kind of additional training do they need?



Aaaaaarrrrrmmmmmmyyyyyyy training sir.

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What kind of additional training do they need?



Aaaaaarrrrrmmmmmmyyyyyyy training sir.

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that's a fact, jack!

Shoot out the tires ? 

Shoot out thee tires ? 

New SOP, bring car immobilizer (tire shredder) when dealing with anyone in a wheel chair.

The Army does train to use deadly force as a last resort, self defense in proportion to the threat. Don't shoot people in the back and don't shoot people throwing rocks.

Do they train MP's in this?  What if there are 2 MP's who are female and have to deal with 2 males?  It is possible that both MP's can fall in love with the 2 guys they are supposed to be detaining. What if they then go on a road trip with the suspects?

The Army does train to use deadly force as a last resort, self defense in proportion to the threat. Don't shoot people in the back and don't shoot people throwing rocks.

You were never in the Army, were you?

Military trains to FOLLOW ORDERS, which include following the ROE of any situation (rules of engagement).

Sometimes the ROE dictate you hold your fire unless fired upon.

Other times, ROE says engage all targets that resist with any and all force necessary.

Others are in between.

Shooting someone in the back is not the taboo it was in the Old West.  That implied cowardice, since you didn't give the other person a "fair chance."

Nowadays, if someone is a threat to you OR OTHERS, or in the case of police is a fleeing felon, you aren't required to give the other person a fair chance.

There's only one rule in any gunfight:  don't come in second.