Consumption is causing "climate change" (Read 5730 times)

ren

« Last Edit: December 20, 2021, 10:06:36 PM by ren »
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omnigun

Re: Let's change the climate with MOAR lights!
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2021, 11:33:23 AM »
Should be using LED's and have solar.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Let's change the climate with MOAR lights!
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2021, 05:49:57 PM »
Should be using LED's and have solar.

Once again you missed the entire point of the article.

It's not about, "How can they make better decisions and not be hypocrites?"

It's about, "Look at these hypocrites." 

The point is: they preach Climate Change, but then they ignore it when they want pretty lights.

 :crazy:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Let's change the climate with MOAR lights!
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2021, 10:38:18 PM »
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/celebrities-christmas-lights-display-california-manisons

Thats rather nitpicking don't you think? With LED lighting that really doesn't represent a huge amount of fossil fuels being consumed. Their private jets and huge cars would be the real culprits to point at.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Let's change the climate with MOAR lights!
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2021, 11:05:44 PM »
Thats rather nitpicking don't you think? With LED lighting that really doesn't represent a huge amount of fossil fuels being consumed. Their private jets and huge cars would be the real culprits to point at.

What about manufacture, shipping, retailing, setup, removal and storage?

Are you telling us none of that takes fossil fuels?

Too often people try to reduce the scope of arguments to just the small factors that can be used to argue a point.  The bigger picture has to be pointed out every time.

This is not a hypothetical, so I can see why you were hyper-focused on the amount of electricity needed to operate the lights apart from any other facet that also impacts Climate Change.

BTW, the cost to operate that many LED lights is not tiny.  5 strings of 100 bulbs each of C7 medium LED bulbs can use an average of 45kWh per month.  Figure out how many bulbs are being used, and the kWh total is easy to calculate.

The point is, it's not zero, which is where they say the rest of us should be closer to.  It's not a crisis if they do this.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Re: Let's change the climate with MOAR lights!
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2021, 02:22:13 PM »
Thats rather nitpicking don't you think? With LED lighting that really doesn't represent a huge amount of fossil fuels being consumed. Their private jets and huge cars would be the real culprits to point at.

ever heard of Ohms Law? Whats the current draw of LEDs?  Answer carefully, if you can
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Let's change the climate with MOAR lights!
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2021, 03:13:08 PM »
ever heard of Ohms Law? Whats the current draw of LEDs?  Answer carefully, if you can

Good point.  Businesses that use over a certain level of electricity must install a demand meter, because the energy to "push" larger amounts of electricity to the customer increases substantially as demand increases.

So, these giant mansions may already be demand metered, or they may be on the brink.  Adding more demand just increases the power company's production requirements, and that uses more fuel.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Inspector

Re: Let's change the climate with MOAR lights!
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2021, 03:29:23 PM »
Once again you missed the entire point of the article.

It's not about, "How can they make better decisions and not be hypocrites?"

It's about, "Look at these hypocrites." 

The point is: they preach Climate Change, but then they ignore it when they want pretty lights.

 :crazy:
This is exactly the point. They should be setting the example and doing everything in their power to NOT use energy unless it is necessary. And we all know these holiday lights are not necessary. That makes everyone of them hypocrites.
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aieahound

Re: Let's change the climate with MOAR lights!
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2021, 04:45:42 PM »
Holiday lights are necessary Mr. Scrooge.  :D :shaka:

ren

Re: Let's change the climate with MOAR lights!
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2021, 06:20:00 PM »
Holiday lights are necessary Mr. Scrooge.  :D :shaka:

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eyeeatingfish

Re: Let's change the climate with MOAR lights!
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2021, 10:04:22 PM »
What about manufacture, shipping, retailing, setup, removal and storage?

Are you telling us none of that takes fossil fuels?

Too often people try to reduce the scope of arguments to just the small factors that can be used to argue a point.  The bigger picture has to be pointed out every time.

This is not a hypothetical, so I can see why you were hyper-focused on the amount of electricity needed to operate the lights apart from any other facet that also impacts Climate Change.

BTW, the cost to operate that many LED lights is not tiny.  5 strings of 100 bulbs each of C7 medium LED bulbs can use an average of 45kWh per month.  Figure out how many bulbs are being used, and the kWh total is easy to calculate.

The point is, it's not zero, which is where they say the rest of us should be closer to.  It's not a crisis if they do this.

No, its not nothing but with this angle then they are always open to criticism. I bet they take warm showers too. Clearly hypocrites as heating water uses a large amount of electricity.

I just prefer my criticism to be something a little more substantial.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Let's change the climate with MOAR lights!
« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2021, 10:25:34 PM »
No, its not nothing but with this angle then they are always open to criticism. I bet they take warm showers too. Clearly hypocrites as heating water uses a large amount of electricity.

I just prefer my criticism to be something a little more substantial.

Hot water is a necessity, silly rabbit.

Try again.  Your sarcasm game is severely lacking.   :geekdanc:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Inspector

Re: Let's change the climate with MOAR lights!
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2021, 01:33:37 AM »
Holiday lights are necessary Mr. Scrooge.  :D :shaka:
That’s Mr. Ebenezer Scrooge to you Hound!  :rofl:

Or is it Scrooge McDuck?  :rofl:
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Let's change the climate with MOAR lights!
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2021, 03:14:18 PM »
That’s Mr. Ebenezer Scrooge to you Hound!  :rofl:

Or is it Scrooge McDuck?  :rofl:

The most recent character I believe is Francis Xavier Cross (1988). 

"Recent" is relative?   :crazy:   :rofl:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Inspector

Re: Let's change the climate with MOAR lights!
« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2021, 03:49:41 PM »
The most recent character I believe is Francis Xavier Cross (1988). 

"Recent" is relative?   :crazy:   :rofl:
I’ll check out my family tree……  :wacko:
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eyeeatingfish

Re: Let's change the climate with MOAR lights!
« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2021, 09:30:37 PM »
Hot water is a necessity, silly rabbit.

Try again.  Your sarcasm game is severely lacking.   :geekdanc:

False!

ren

Re: Consumption is causing "climate change"
« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2021, 10:08:47 PM »
It is absolutely hilarious when someone who tried too hard to sound like an academic but failed to see sarcasm when it hit them square in the face.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Consumption is causing "climate change"
« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2021, 12:08:44 AM »
It is absolutely hilarious when someone who tried too hard to sound like an academic but failed to see sarcasm when it hit them square in the face.

I'm trying to figure out how the back & forth veered into the Hot Water lane.  The topic is about extreme holiday lights and how the same people pretending to be woke and terrified of climate change are the same ones doing this.

This discussion reminds me of the carbon credit scam.  "We need to reduce our carbon footprints, except for the rich who can afford to buy carbon credits."
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Consumption is causing "climate change"
« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2021, 09:14:57 PM »
I'm trying to figure out how the back & forth veered into the Hot Water lane.  The topic is about extreme holiday lights and how the same people pretending to be woke and terrified of climate change are the same ones doing this.

This discussion reminds me of the carbon credit scam.  "We need to reduce our carbon footprints, except for the rich who can afford to buy carbon credits."

Do you think the christmas lights add more to the electrical usage than the hot water heater?

changemyoil66

Re: Consumption is causing "climate change"
« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2021, 09:28:48 PM »
Do you think the christmas lights add more to the electrical usage than the hot water heater?
How big is the tree?

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