Inaction is action.

Case-in-point, the US Navy has majorly doomed the water supply for Oahu residents for years or even decades to come.  Everybody on Oahu is angry and wants those tanks out, as that is the right thing to do.  Since this affects everyone, including many on this forum, where are the posts in solidarity for this action against the US Navy?  The deafening silence can only be attributed because the many pro-US military posters here can't bring themselves to openly criticize what they know is right for whatever their reason to the detriment of everybody else who has to drink potentially contaminated water, including themselves.  Consequently, those people quietly assent to the US Navy's human-poisoning position regarding this matter.  As far as the US imperial military is concerned, the people living in Hawaii are inconsequential and collateral damage in the name of the US empire, right?

From another thread.
Thought it was interesting as a separate topic.

Shucks.
Can I modify a poll.
I added two more answers but the computer froze with Error.

Woulda been :
Yes. Temporarily then line with carbon fiber or Kevlar reinforced fiberglass and fill back up.
We need them. Where would they put the new ones ?
And first response was edited to include because they will alway threaten our water supply in current location.

Maybe delete the thread and start over.
I would vote if there was an undecided option.

I would say yes to draining the tanks.
Problem is, where would the fuel go?

I would say yes to draining the tanks.
Problem is, where would the fuel go?

The time frame alone to drain that much fuel is crazy, even if you had lined up tankers back to back.

That would also be a prime military target I would think.

I would say yes to draining the tanks.
Problem is, where would the fuel go?

I agree and where would that much fuel go ?
But our water is our lifeline.
(Hilo side BI guys thinking FU! Catchment ! You spoiled Honolulu pussies) 

I agree and where would that much fuel go ?
But our water is our lifeline.
(Hilo side BI guys thinking FU! Catchment ! You spoiled Honolulu pussies) 

Fire sale to the public. Had a guy on YT fill his POS pick up with jet fuel and it ran slightly faster fro top speed.

High Octane Baby ! 
Now’s the time to do it with gas prices the way they are.

Shucks.
Can I modify a poll.
I added two more answers but the computer froze with Error.

Woulda been :
Yes. Temporarily then line with carbon fiber or Kevlar reinforced fiberglass and fill back up.
We need them. Where would they put the new ones ?
And first response was edited to include because they will alway threaten our water supply in current location.

Hound, just as I suspected.

For such an issue that has huge ramifications for everyone living on Oahu, notice how little responses to this thread expressing condemnation of the US Navy allowing the continued use of those fuel tanks that the US Navy knew whose integrity was compromised for many decades now.  It's not that no one has read this thread, but perhaps for those who did, many decided not to post because their posts would be in-favor of the continuation of those fuel tanks to support the US imperial war machine, which, of course, would mean sacrificing the well-being of all the people living on Oahu.  The imperial DOD, if you have not heard already, has decided to fight the shut-down order in court.

Hence, it appears at least at this point, the argument that you paraphrased in my original post is sadly accurate.  All the people living in Hawaii are expendable when it comes to maintaining the US empire and, not surprisingly, there are those on this forum who assent to that imperial view even at their own detriment.

Inaction is action...

No refueling capability. Navy pulls out. Takes Pearl Harbor Shipyard with it and all those jobs. Need to look at the long term and work solutions instead of pointing fingers and reacting on emotions. The BWS has the most experience in this but all they do is blame blame blame. You'd think the Sr engineer would come with a solution but instead plays along with politics. Meanwhile our competitors are rubbing their hands together and smirking at us while we implode.

No refueling capability. Navy pulls out. Takes Pearl Harbor Shipyard with it and all those jobs.

If China can build islands, so can the US empire if it needs someplace to have sitting fuel tanks in the Pacific.  Fuel for its military machine or the safety of its own citizenry they are sworn to protect?  I think the humane decision is clear.

The economic contribution of the US imperial military to Hawaii's economy is vastly overrated.  The economic devastation that Hawaii suffered due to Covid-19 clearly showed the real distance between tourism and the other sectors of Hawaii's economy, particularly from the military.  Moreover, when you take into consideration military personnel taking advantages of on-base commerce, which by-passes Hawaii GET, as well as the driving-up of monthly housing and apartment rental costs, for those who decide to live off-base, the number of locals fortunate to have civilian DOD jobs are not enough to off-set the overall negative economic effect to those permanently living in Hawaii.

You make some great points Kuleana. Also consider that thanks to hypersonic missiles the age of the carrier is over. They are all sitting ducks, completely vulnerable and totally obsolete. How long will we go on fighting the last war? Until we lose the next one I suppose.

I agree and where would that much fuel go ?
But our water is our lifeline.
(Hilo side BI guys thinking FU! Catchment ! You spoiled Honolulu pussies) 

I was raised on BI tank water but I would not raise my family on it.
The tanks should be moved. But Where? I think it can be done before the rail is completed.

Action?  So coming on this forum and whinging is action?   

The tanks should be moved. But Where? I think it can be done before the rail is completed.

How about Midway Island or the Bikini Atoll?

In either case, construction there might actually finish before the rail over here.

Fire sale to the public. Had a guy on YT fill his POS pick up with jet fuel and it ran slightly faster fro top speed.

Whaddya you care Mr. EV?   

Action?  So coming on this forum and whinging is action?   

Creating awareness that further supports grassroot collective action.

I find it ironically amusing, and somewhat poetically just, that the State of Hawaii and the US Federal gov't (i.e. the US Navy) have to take each other to court to get something as obviously simple as this resolved.

How many times have the people of Hawaii had to take our state, city and county governments to court to get them to comply with the law, the Hawaii Constitution and the US Constitution?  Having to sue the state is ridiculous when it's painfully obvious the Hawaii government is in violation.  Unless the courts order them to stop infringing on the rights of its citizens, Hawaii's lawmakers, governor, police departments, and all other government agencies are content to do what they want regardless.

Now the state is getting a taste of the burden they placed on all of us with their oppressive (and oft times illegal) policies, regulations, Governor Degrees on COVID,  Police Department processes for firearms, and so on.

We, the tax payers, foot the bills for these government lawyers to prepare and present their cases in court.  We not only pay for the creation and correction of the problem, but we also pay for the legal battles over which subset of tax payers must pay for the solution.  Do they use my Hawaii taxes?  Or do they use my Federal  taxes?  Let's spend even more of both to find out what the courts think.   

This to me looks like another one of those hard-to-solve problems that administration after administration, and Naval command after command, kicked the can down the road while applying as many bandaid solutions as absolutely necessary until it became someone else's career-making-or-breaking crisis.  That it's been going on for so long is not surprising.  It's how government runs things.  Manage the fires that can't wait today, and let my replacement worry about the fires I ignored long enough to escape accountability.

The State of Hawaii wants more lease money from the Navy - the safety of the people of Hawaii is just the vehicle. My opinion.

How much does the Navy contribute to the local economy?

You make some great points Kuleana. Also consider that thanks to hypersonic missiles the age of the carrier is over. They are all sitting ducks, completely vulnerable and totally obsolete. How long will we go on fighting the last war? Until we lose the next one I suppose.

I'm sure the points I raised are things you already knew, if not more.

In another thread, I made the statement that the reason why the US empire is goading Russia and more so China into WWIII is because the ultrawealthy and Power Okole knows they can't compete with China in the long-term.  The correct point you made about the current reliance of the US imperial navy's aircraft carriers being obsolete is a case-in-point.  China has moved past 20th century economic and military thinking and is operating with a 21st century mindset that is foreign to the US empire.  It is because of this reality, which forms their current desperate rationale for global war to save their dominion.