This makes you wonder about how the best laid plans are not enough if your attacker is so doped up or impervious to pain that he keeps on coming. In Hawaii, the DA would file charges against the self-defender for using excessive force.

Does this make you rethink your choice of weapon for self-defense? Sounds like a 12ga shotgun with slugs might be the only option.

"Now it's all about Versace, you copied my style
Five shots couldn't drop me, I took it and smiled
Now I'm bout to set the record straight
With my A.K. I'm still the thug that you love to hate
Motherf$%r, I hit 'em up"

re: choice for self-defense, always context dependent.

Active Self Protection has good vids of self defense analysis for non-LEO events. Not just the successful ones, but the ones where the good guy doesn't succeed.  And it's not just him telling a story, it's actual events caught on camera that he reviews.

After reviewing thousands of videos over the years, he has yet to see a good guy reload or need to reload.  And this doesn't factor in a 15rd or greater than 10rd mags either. All of the shootings fired less than 7 rounds on average.  I have not watched all his vids, but I have not seen 1 where a revolver was used in a SD situation. I'm sure there has to be a few out there.

Another important note he brings up is he has seen on occasions that the good guy didn't carry with a round in the chamber and failed to chamber a round for X reasons and paid for it.  So he emphasizes to carry with a round in the chamber.

He has a very good channel to watch and opened my eyes.  Much of it doesn't apply to HI since no once can carry, but when we go on trips or the concepts he talks about can apply to HI.

If 1 does choose to use a shotgun, the limited round count would be 1 con for using that type of platform. Compared to a rifle that has the standard 30rd magazine.

Is this scenario covered in the video something that is common as it is claimed to be?

I thought most SD scenarios end up where no re-loads were performed.  It seems the above scenario is the exception, not the rule.  But I do agree it can happen.

Also, at 4:36 of the video, it shows the bad guy being attended to by paramedics.  Where are the 14 shot wounds?  I didn't see any.  Was this a re-enactment and not the real scene?  Because that scene of the ER with the floor all covered with blood would have to been created by someone with pukas all over his chest, lol!  No pukas at 4:36 of the video.  Maybe I'm blind.....

But yeah, makes you think about Hawaii with it's BS 10 round limit on handgun magazines and the pending legislation of carrying of a Taser along with your concealed handgun.

Taser first, die first.

Edited to add:  I looked at the video again then saw the caption "example video" on bottom of screen.  Sorry gang, I am blind, lol!!

Is this scenario covered in the video something that is common as it is claimed to be?

I thought most SD scenarios end up where no re-loads were performed.  It seems the above scenario is the exception, not the rule.  But I do agree it can happen.

Also, at 4:36 of the video, it shows the bad guy being attended to by paramedics.  Where are the 14 shot wounds?  I didn't see any.  Was this a re-enactment and not the real scene?  Because that scene of the ER with the floor all covered with blood would have to been created by someone with pukas all over his chest, lol!  No pukas at 4:36 of the video.  Maybe I'm blind.....

But yeah, makes you think about Hawaii with it's BS 10 round limit on handgun magazines and the pending legislation of carrying of a Taser along with your concealed handgun.

Taser first, die first.

There also was the mag limit lawsuit against Becerra in CA. But these were events that took place in the victims homes. Each defendant (3) didn't have a spare mag and ran black on ammo.  1 shooting there were 40 rds fired by the bad guys. So it showed that bad guys won't abide by the 10rd mag law either.

1 was in a robe and unable to carry spare mags.
1 had spare mags in a separate part of the home. Her husband ended up being killed by the bad guys.
IIRC,1 used a revolver. (not sure on this one, going by memory)

Active Self Protection has good vids of self defense analysis for non-LEO events. Not just the successful ones, but the ones where the good guy doesn't succeed.  And it's not just him telling a story, it's actual events caught on camera that he reviews.

After reviewing thousands of videos over the years, he has yet to see a good guy reload or need to reload.  And this doesn't factor in a 15rd or greater than 10rd mags either. All of the shootings fired less than 7 rounds on average.  I have not watched all his vids, but I have not seen 1 where a revolver was used in a SD situation. I'm sure there has to be a few out there.

Another important note he brings up is he has seen on occasions that the good guy didn't carry with a round in the chamber and failed to chamber a round for X reasons and paid for it.  So he emphasizes to carry with a round in the chamber.

He has a very good channel to watch and opened my eyes.  Much of it doesn't apply to HI since no once can carry, but when we go on trips or the concepts he talks about can apply to HI.

If 1 does choose to use a shotgun, the limited round count would be 1 con for using that type of platform. Compared to a rifle that has the standard 30rd magazine.

There is one revolver one I remember, sadly the good guy with revolver lost. The good guy (a retired fireman on the east coast I believe) had a snub nose revolver. He had grocery bags in hand and returned fire at the multiple attackers. I am pretty sure he did not drop groceries in left hand which ASP noted. And his gunfire caused the attackers to flee and at the end he stood up to look over the car he was using for cover, as they ran away and they were firing wildly behind themselves as they ran and actually hit him with a fatal shot because he stood up.

There is one revolver one I remember, sadly the good guy with revolver lost. The good guy (a retired fireman on the east coast I believe) had a snub nose revolver. He had grocery bags in hand and returned fire at the multiple attackers. I am pretty sure he did not drop groceries in left hand which ASP noted. And his gunfire caused the attackers to flee and at the end he stood up to look over the car he was using for cover, as they ran away and they were firing wildly behind themselves as they ran and actually hit him with a fatal shot because he stood up.

Damn, that sucks.  I'm sure John mentioned to stay behind cover until the threats are gone.  And he has mentioned in the past the diff between cover and concealment. There was 1 vid of a cell phone store robbery. He mentioned the employee was shooting over the counter trying to hit the bad guy who ducked behind it. John mentioned that he would have shot thru the counter.

Similar story at Dogs of War Airsoft. 1 time they had some SEALs come to challenge the kids. The kids worked them because rules are different. 1 example was the kid taking cover behind the doorway of a thin wall. The kid asked the seal what he would have done in real life and the response was shoot him thru the wall.

average shots fired in a self defense scenario is 2-3, unless you got multiple attackers at a longer range. but statistically its 2-3 shots
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/blog/the-statistically-perfect-gunfight/

of course, you won't always be in the average gun fight, so it's nice to have more capacity.  but in Hawaii, limit is 10 rounds.  my 627 PC snubnose holds 8 rounds of 357mag.  I'd rather have 8 rounds of 357 than 10 rounds of 9mm
but if I were to carry for hours at a time, a G19 would be more comfortable than a N frame revovler

I think there are pros and cons to using a revolver in self defense
another pro to a revolver is its more reliable bc there is no magazine to fail.  if you have a light primer strike, just pull the trigger again and the cylinder will move to the next round. unlike a semi auto you'll have to eject the round by racking the slide
revolver you never have to check if there is a round in the chamber

I think there are pros and cons to using a revolver in self defense
another pro to a revolver is its more reliable bc there is no magazine to fail.  if you have a light primer strike, just pull the trigger again and the cylinder will move to the next round. unlike a semi auto you'll have to eject the round by racking the slide
revolver you never have to check if there is a round in the chamber

Clint Smith of Thunder Ranch mentions this. His boot/angle gun is a snub nose revolver

I thought most SD scenarios end up where no re-loads were performed.  It seems the above scenario is the exception, not the rule.  But I do agree it can happen.

Most SD scenarios end up where no SHOTS ARE FIRED. 
As no shots are fired, there is no report made.

Most recent info End of 2021
No shots were fired in 81.9% of those defensive use cases. 50.9% of the time, displaying the firearm was sufficient to scare off the attacker; 31% of the time, simply telling someone they were armed prevented the attack from taking place. Only 18.1% of the time was firing the gun required to defend their life.
Findings, based on extrapolations of an internet poll of gun owners, was that self-defense gun use occurs about 1.67 million times per year in the United States.
 The authors note that this number could be conservative and the real estimate might be closer to 2.8 million defensive gun incidents per year.
Even  the CDC data resulted in an average of 1,109,825 defensive gun uses each year surveyed.
SOURCE https://americangunfacts.com/guns-used-in-self-defense-stats/

  And just for Stang, a 10 year study was done on all LEO, Military and other verifiable shoots to find the "Magic Bullet".
Premise was to "Stop the threat"  (a.k.a. Alter bad behavior).
End result was basically "How many times do you want to get shot even with a .22 ?" 
Those getting shot were either disabled and stopped advance or ran away. Of course variations of results came with drug use.

   Back to Stang, the "Magic Bullet" that had the most fatalities was the .357 Mag. 

Most SD scenarios end up where no SHOTS ARE FIRED. 
As no shots are fired, there is no report made.

Most recent info End of 2021
No shots were fired in 81.9% of those defensive use cases. 50.9% of the time, displaying the firearm was sufficient to scare off the attacker; 31% of the time, simply telling someone they were armed prevented the attack from taking place. Only 18.1% of the time was firing the gun required to defend their life.
Findings, based on extrapolations of an internet poll of gun owners, was that self-defense gun use occurs about 1.67 million times per year in the United States.
 The authors note that this number could be conservative and the real estimate might be closer to 2.8 million defensive gun incidents per year.
Even  the CDC data resulted in an average of 1,109,825 defensive gun uses each year surveyed.
SOURCE https://americangunfacts.com/guns-used-in-self-defense-stats/

  And just for Stang, a 10 year study was done on all LEO, Military and other verifiable shoots to find the "Magic Bullet".
Premise was to "Stop the threat"  (a.k.a. Alter bad behavior).
End result was basically "How many times do you want to get shot even with a .22 ?" 
Those getting shot were either disabled and stopped advance or ran away. Of course variations of results came with drug use.

   Back to Stang, the "Magic Bullet" that had the most fatalities was the .357 Mag. 

357 

I'm a revolver guy, but if I were a cop, I would want the most capacity I can get.  so revolver would be ruled out
If I lived in a free state where capacity isn't limited, then I'd carry a higher capacity semiauto and not a revolver

a negative for revolvers is reloading.  reloading my G19 is way easier and faster than reloading a revolver.  unless you are Jerry Miculek and have 100k hours of practice.  he can reload revolvers faster than most can reload a semiauto, but he's not your normal shooter 

Clint Smith of Thunder Ranch mentions this. His boot/angle gun is a snub nose revolver

snub nose makes a good backup sidearm

SNIP

revolver you never have to check if there is a round in the chamber

Because the attacker/perp will be the one checking for you?   

Because the attacker/perp will be the one checking for you?   

exactly. 

what I meant was,  you don't have to rack the slide or have one in the chamber.  as long as your cylinder is loaded, just pull the trigger

For those who don’t take the time, like me, to train under stress.
Double action only revolver.
Shoot the perp closest to you and hope there’s not more and as we learned earlier take cover.

For those who don’t take the time, like me, to train under stress.
Double action only revolver.
Shoot the perp closest to you and hope there’s not more and as we learned earlier take cover.

Or Brave Heart type battle sword. No one will mess with u if u carrying that.

Or Brave Heart type battle sword. No one will mess with u if u carrying that.

"This is SPARTA!"

Or throw the gun, like that scene from Saving Private Ryan.

Or Brave Heart type battle sword. No one will mess with u if u carrying that.

No sh*t, lol!  But I think I gotta pump some iron if I going carry dat.  da bugga look heavy.....

"This is SPARTA!"

Or throw the gun, like that scene from Saving Private Ryan.

Yep.  Whatever it takes, throw gun, rocks, shoes, whatever.  Fight like hell!!

No sh*t, lol!  But I think I gotta pump some iron if I going carry dat.  da bugga look heavy.....

Yep.  Whatever it takes, throw gun, rocks, shoes, whatever.  Fight like hell!!

Eye gouge, bite, kick in the nuts, etc.