Sadly, the gun ranges in Hawaii are pathetic, and both ammo and weapons are hard to find. For those who travel regularly to NV or AZ, would it make sense to buy a second home in these states to ease the process in vacationing and pursuing your hobbies? First, I would probably buy an electric car to eliminate the worry of stale gasoline. I would get a heavy, strong safe to store the weapons and ammo. My scopes would be set up just right, and would not have to deal with issues of transporting any sensitive gear on airlines. A home would provide a room for doing weapon teardown and maintenance, as well as the comfort of a good bed and shower that only you or your family would use (no strangers). You also have your own kitchen to use for cooking. No fast food or overpriced hotel food. What am I overlooking (e.g., security)?

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Be careful about EV's in the mainland. HI is perfect for them because everything is so close.  So there is really no worry compared to the mainland about running out of juice. Like you're not going to road trip or visit a place unexpectedly that's 3 hours away.  With this being said, many EV's you can leave plugged in. But IMO, I don't trust leaving an EV plugged in for weeks, months on end.  So if you don't do this, then you will have phantom drain and could be at 0 if you only visit 2x a year.  For my car, when I caught Covid and was quarantined for 10 days, I lost around 5% or so, I don't remember. I posted about it in my covid experience thread.  Since you're worried about stale gas, then that would mean you're planning on going like once a year or less. So to leave an EV plugged in for that long isn't safe IMO.

I only go to NV and their housing market is increasing. So if you do buy, sooner than later is the key. Also they do have squatter issues, which isn't as bad here.  It's not a huge thing, but a higher chance compared to here. My friend lived in a town house like community and the unit he moved into was vacant for 2 years. He was the first tenant. Ellysium was the name.  But they have on site property management so they can check on the units weekly or what ever so there are no squatters. 

Another thing to watch is if NV turns more blue. They have a prejudice toward CA people cause they're messing up their state by bringing in their CA voting problems. "Dont' CA my NV" is a common phrase and even seeing the CA license plates, comments are made like "look at this CA asshole". So if you do move, don't HI my NV. I got friends who moved and still vote blue. They voted for Sisolak and Yang or BIden or Clinton. My sister in law votes blue and just turned red when Covid hit in 2020. She got her 1st gun and CCW permit there. Actually she bought 2 G19's at the same time. She's been there for over 10 years, which means only now is she changing.

For us, we plan on retiring on the mainland.  HI not only sucks for 2a rights, but cost of living is  much higher. So when you're on a fixed income, living on the mainland helps big time.  And the fact that we can travel easier and cheaper between the states compared to flying from HI.

Do a search, IIRC Inspector mentions his life style since he moved to AZ.

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My friend lived in a town house like community and the unit he moved into was vacant for 2 years. He was the first tenant. Ellysium was the name.  But they have on site property management so they can check on the units weekly or what ever so there are no squatters. 

Thank you for this information. Any trustworthy services near Las Vegas that can check on an unoccupied home in a residential community?

Thank you for this information. Any trustworthy services near Las Vegas that can check on an unoccupied home in a residential community?

IDK of any. But many of the town house communities have their own. It's combined with their sales team. 

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IDK of any. But many of the town house communities have their own. It's combined with their sales team.

We had two homes on the mainland last month. My wife became good friends with a neighbor, even inviting her to HI for a vacation. The neighbor checks on the mainland home at least once a week. Nothing beats a good friendship- it restores your faith in humanity.

Now, the problem with guns in a partially unoccupied home makes it a little more complicated than other belongings such as cars, tv, and stereo. I am going to try an idea we use in HI, namely a home surveillance system with a 24/7 camera and email notifications of activity around the camera. The camera works through power outages, but the internet may or may not come back after the power is restored. Having to fly back to reboot a wireless router is not my idea of fun. Is the phone company internet more reliable than the cable company's service?

We had two homes on the mainland last month. My wife became good friends with a neighbor, even inviting her to HI for a vacation. The neighbor checks on the mainland home at least once a week. Nothing beats a good friendship- it restores your faith in humanity.

Now, the problem with guns in a partially unoccupied home makes it a little more complicated than other belongings such as cars, tv, and stereo. I am going to try an idea we use in HI, namely a home surveillance system with a 24/7 camera and email notifications of activity around the camera. The camera works through power outages, but the internet may or may not come back after the power is restored. Having to fly back to reboot a wireless router is not my idea of fun. Is the phone company internet more reliable than the cable company's service?

These are very good ideas, as long as you can trust your neighbor.  Many cameras come with motion sensors so you don't have to keep watching the feed. Also I'm sure you know this, but home alarm companies who will call 911 automatically when a break in is detected. This cost $ monthly, but if you can afford another home, I'm sure you can afford this service.

I have a friend who has a home in Vegas that is unoccupied. He's not a 2a guy, but has a timer when his TV and lights inside the home turn on and off. He also changes the time as to not get suspicion if it comes on at 6:18pm every night if someone is casing the place.  The system also turns them off at a certain time too.

Would it be cheaper to rent a self storage unit for your toys and use airbnb/vrbo when you go up for a trip?
No maintenance/HOA costs (townhouse)
No mortgage
Less worry about your toys getting stolen and/or a break in
No worries about the value of the home dropping in price if/when interest rates go up
No worries about liquidity

If your rich and these kinds of things aren’t a problem - Yes, get that 2nd home.   Oh….I envy/hate you :-)

I know nothing about gun ownership in Vegas if you are not a resident or only a part time resident…… so storing toys in a self storage unit may not be legal

I'm lost.  Are you a NV resident?  AZ?  HI?

You can buy guns in any of these states and have an FFL handle delivery in the state in which you reside.  I don't see how "weapons are hard to find" justifies another residence in another state?  If you can find what you want in AZ or NV, you don't need an address in that state to legally buy it.  Sure, you have to mail it to an FFL, but that's the nature of the law.  If you are a HI resident, you have to go the FFL route with all new retail purchases from dealers.  In-state private sales are only a little more simple if transacted in Hawaii.  Purchases from other states still need an FFL involved.  Having a house in AZ or NV won't let you get around federal law.  If it's illegal to buy a specific gun in a state where you are a nonresident without an FFL from your home state taking delivery, that's what must happen.

As for ammo, why not buy it online and have it shipped to your vacation address or pick it up when you arrive?  Chances are, if you can't find it on the mainland, you can't find it here easily either.

How many guns are you talking?  How many different calibers?  Some banks allow small firearms in safe deposit boxes (unloaded, and no ammo).  Might check around if that fits your needs.

All in all, the question invites more questions:  are you duplicating your HI arsenal in another state?  How many guns do you need on your vacations?  How much ammo?  What calibers?  Is the airline ammo weight limit a problem?

You call this a "hobby" which tells me you are not talking about hunting.  Tell me if I assumed incorrectly.

Seems like you're trying to squash a fly with a sledgehammer.  You're going to cause more headaches and problems for yourself if you try to keep firearms in a place you don't frequent unless you pay someone to live there and house sit for you.

I'm lost.  Are you a NV resident?  AZ?  HI?

You can buy guns in any of these states and have an FFL handle delivery in the state in which you reside.  I don't see how "weapons are hard to find" justifies another residence in another state?  If you can find what you want in AZ or NV, you don't need an address in that state to legally buy it.  Sure, you have to mail it to an FFL, but that's the nature of the law.  If you are a HI resident, you have to go the FFL route with all new retail purchases from dealers.  In-state private sales are only a little more simple if transacted in Hawaii.  Purchases from other states still need an FFL involved.  Having a house in AZ or NV won't let you get around federal law.  If it's illegal to buy a specific gun in a state where you are a nonresident without an FFL from your home state taking delivery, that's what must happen.

As for ammo, why not buy it online and have it shipped to your vacation address or pick it up when you arrive?  Chances are, if you can't find it on the mainland, you can't find it here easily either.

How many guns are you talking?  How many different calibers?  Some banks allow small firearms in safe deposit boxes (unloaded, and no ammo).  Might check around if that fits your needs.

All in all, the question invites more questions:  are you duplicating your HI arsenal in another state?  How many guns do you need on your vacations?  How much ammo?  What calibers?  Is the airline ammo weight limit a problem?

You call this a "hobby" which tells me you are not talking about hunting.  Tell me if I assumed incorrectly.

Seems like you're trying to squash a fly with a sledgehammer.  You're going to cause more headaches and problems for yourself if you try to keep firearms in a place you don't frequent unless you pay someone to live there and house sit for you.

NV requires all purchases to go thru a FFL. Law was passed a few years ago. This includes private sales too. Exception is immediate family.

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Storage unit for firearms is not a good idea, at all. 

That said, if OP has the $$$, sledge hammer that fly away! 

The problems and complications of owning firearms in multiple states comes up in forums like Quora many times.

https://www.quora.com/Can-you-have-more-than-one-gun-permit-for-two-different-states#:~:text=Yes.,recognize%20only%20their%20own%20licenses.

I do not know if there are any clear answers. Like many of you, I reside in HI, have a hunting license, and have permits for numerous handguns, and have registered all weapons in the state. However we don't have medium to long distance rifle ranges, and the appropriate training courses. These are some ideas I have considered for owning a residence in another state. Have your wife or "legal" partner become a resident of the second state. That means she is registered to vote in that state. This solves the problem of having valid permits outside HI. Storage is a worry both in-state or out-of-state, which suggest that a business with an FFL could open with long-term-storage in mind. Such a business would have walk-in vaults with 24-hr surveillance. The business model would price storage at a reasonable price, say, $100/month for five rifles. I am not a fan of carrying two rifle cases through an airport with one or two suitcases.  Also do not like renting a rifle or pistol that can misfire, and possibly injure the user.

NV requires all purchases to go thru a FFL. Law was passed a few years ago. This includes private sales too. Exception is immediate family.

Effectively no different than HI requiring a PTA for all transfers.

The problems and complications of owning firearms in multiple states comes up in forums like Quora many times.

https://www.quora.com/Can-you-have-more-than-one-gun-permit-for-two-different-states#:~:text=Yes.,recognize%20only%20their%20own%20licenses.

I do not know if there are any clear answers. Like many of you, I reside in HI, have a hunting license, and have permits for numerous handguns, and have registered all weapons in the state. However we don't have medium to long distance rifle ranges, and the appropriate training courses. These are some ideas I have considered for owning a residence in another state. Have your wife or "legal" partner become a resident of the second state. That means she is registered to vote in that state. This solves the problem of having valid permits outside HI. Storage is a worry both in-state or out-of-state, which suggest that a business with an FFL could open with long-term-storage in mind. Such a business would have walk-in vaults with 24-hr surveillance. The business model would price storage at a reasonable price, say, $100/month for five rifles. I am not a fan of carrying two rifle cases through an airport with one or two suitcases.  Also do not like renting a rifle or pistol that can misfire, and possibly injure the user.

The Quora article you linked is about concealed carry permits and state reciprocity.  It has nothing about "problems and complications of owning firearms in multiple states."

I think you're doing what you normally do ... complicating a problem that rarely occurs, if ever.

There can be no "clear answers" when the problem is not clearly defined.

What does being a registered voter have to do with firearm ownership?  Either you are a LEGAL RESIDENT of the state, or you are not.  It's a binary proposition.  Unless you spend 180 days per year in two states, you are the resident of ONE state.  Exceptions exist for military, but I don't think that applies to you, does it?

"Permits" in the context of your source are for concealed carry, not firearm ownership.

There are companies advertising in other states for short and long term firearm storage.  It's increasing in demand as laws are passed that can result in confiscation:  domestic abuse cases, mental healthcare treatment/counseling, red flag laws, inheritances, etc.  These places offer storage to avoid having to hand your guns over to the state, then jump through dozens of hoops to get them returned.  In the meantime, you are unprotected.

One I found in Colorado offers discounts for multiple firearms.  AGAIN, how many guns are you talking about leaving unattended?  How frequently are you planning to use them for "vacationing?"

Rental guns are no more apt to "misfire" than your own guns.  In fact, I'd lean toward a gun that's been used more as being more reliable.  Any problems were already identified and fixed.  It's been routinely cleaned and maintained by professionals working at the range.  Your guns are only under your own control.  Unless you have more expertise and experience with guns than your previous posts indicate, I would not trust your guns over a range rental.

BTW, a misfire doesn't injure anyone unless it causes a squib, and then it's not dangerous unless you fire again without clearing it.  That's usually the fault of the ammo, not the firearn.

Look up "misfire."  It's usually defined as a failure of the cartridge to fire, as in the primer failed to cause the gunpowder to ignite.  That's not dangerous.

Effectively no different than HI requiring a PTA for all transfers.

Except since NV has no reg, so it's basically unenforceable.

Except since NV has no reg, so it's basically unenforceable.

Yep.  The NV DA said as much.  Without a registry, there's no way to go after someone who transfers a gun in a private sale while bypassing the mandated background check.

You can't enforce what you never know about.

There are companies advertising in other states for short and long term firearm storage.  It's increasing in demand as laws are passed that can result in confiscation:  domestic abuse cases, mental healthcare treatment/counseling, red flag laws, inheritances, etc.  These places offer storage to avoid having to hand your guns over to the state, then jump through dozens of hoops to get them returned.  In the meantime, you are unprotected.

I'd lean toward a gun that's been used more as being more reliable.  Any problems were already identified and fixed.  It's been routinely cleaned and maintained by professionals working at the range.  Your guns are only under your own control.  Unless you have more expertise and experience with guns than your previous posts indicate, I would not trust your guns over a range rental.

This place is the kind of weapon storage place I was looking for.
https://www.gunsitters.com/

Gunsitters is only in two states, currently. I own a house in one of these states, but I was looking for a home in Nevada, where it is warmer, and training resources are better.

I would trust all of my weapons over those at a gun range, where I doubt they use premium ammo or do regular maintenance like I do. I even take good care of all my toy laser guns.

Are you guys talking about storing your gun at a range that allows customers to rent it out for use at that range?