War Preparation Gear (for civilians) (Read 6056 times)

DocMercy

War Preparation Gear (for civilians)
« on: February 27, 2022, 09:57:40 AM »
A war that affects civilians is no longer an impossibility throughout the free world. In this thread you can ask questions about what works, and what does not work against various caliber rounds and weapons. Little thought about by the 2A community are helmets, with most people focused on body armor. Well, how good are Russian made helmets? Do you think it could survive a .308 round>



drck1000

Re: War Preparation Gear (for civilians)
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2022, 10:20:05 AM »
The concern for the average American, even many well intentioned prepper isn’t quality gear or performance of firearms. It’s mindset.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: War Preparation Gear (for civilians)
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2022, 10:23:23 AM »
The concern for the average American, even many well intentioned prepper isn’t quality gear or performance of firearms. It’s mindset.

Never underestimate the ingenuity of a few American rednecks with large trucks, farm equipment, a potato gun and a flamethrower. 
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

drck1000

Re: War Preparation Gear (for civilians)
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2022, 10:26:59 AM »
Never underestimate the ingenuity of a few American rednecks with large trucks, farm equipment, a potato gun and a flamethrower.
Haha. Ya. I say that counts as mindset. Work smarter, not harder. Or even construction and carpenters.  They can come up with some ingenious conTRAPtions.

macsak

Re: War Preparation Gear (for civilians)
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2022, 10:32:28 AM »
i don't even have mindset...

drck1000

Re: War Preparation Gear (for civilians)
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2022, 10:33:43 AM »
i don't even have mindset...
you’d need a mind to set…

 :rofl:

macsak

Re: War Preparation Gear (for civilians)
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2022, 10:38:48 AM »
heads

you’d need a mind to set…

 :rofl:

changemyoil66

Re: War Preparation Gear (for civilians)
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2022, 11:10:49 AM »
i don't even have mindset...
I own no firearms, ammo, reloading supplies, comms, body armor, preps, NODs, and mindset.

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drck1000

Re: War Preparation Gear (for civilians)
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2022, 11:12:00 AM »
I own no firearms, ammo, reloading supplies, comms, body armor, preps, NODs, and mindset.

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You have a nice .22 lr “sniper” rifle  O0

Flapp_Jackson

Re: War Preparation Gear (for civilians)
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2022, 11:14:38 AM »
Haha. Ya. I say that counts as mindset. Work smarter, not harder. Or even construction and carpenters.  They can come up with some ingenious conTRAPtions.

Also, it only takes a few insiders who disagree with government actions to "relieve" the military of a few choice weapons that civilians can't acquire on their own.

That includes body armor, helmets and other milspec gear.

As for comms, lots of CB and HAM radio operators and equipment that can make a difference.  Unless the Internet is shutdown, that's still a viable means, too.  As dependent on the Internet as all facets of the nation are, including military, government, and the media (required to be controlled in most scenarios), I don't see the Internet being taken down intentionally by Big Brother.

Secure comms are relatively easy if cell or landlines are still operating. 

https://www.endoacustica.com/encrypted-phone.php

If you have the resources to afford them, STU-III and STU-IV telephones are available. They are point-to-point secure comms devices.  As long as both ends are using compatible keys, the transmissions are encrypted.  Anyone listening in will have a difficult time trying to unscramble the conversations.

For short range, there are walkie talkies that use random encryption to prevent eaves dropping. 

I don't know how useful it is to stockpile electronics.  Not only do they not withstand the amount of time between storing and using, especially if they need certain batteries, but the technology used my be outdated, making them very easy to intercept or jam.

Having said that, analog devices, if still working, can often be a hedge against a digital-age adversary.  While they are scanning the digital bands, you'll be on a band almost everyone else abandoned.

Lots to consider.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: War Preparation Gear (for civilians)
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2022, 11:29:29 AM »
Maybe list ranked in order of supplies for when SHTF since some cannot afford everything. Top 15 so the list doesnt get boring if it were 100 or so.

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: War Preparation Gear (for civilians)
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2022, 11:38:00 AM »
Maybe list ranked in order of supplies for when SHTF since some cannot afford everything. Top 15 so the list doesnt get boring if it were 100 or so.
Another thing to consider:

Let's say you have all the coolest and latest toys, gadgets, gear and protection.  Are you really going to be able to carry it all?  And can you carry it all in a way that can be ready for use instantly?

How many more rounds of ammo could you have carried if you ditched 30-50 lbs of gear? 

More often than not, less is more.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

aaronc5362

Re: War Preparation Gear (for civilians)
« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2022, 12:09:18 PM »
I was waiting for a thread like this.

Inmho id keep my ass home. Id burn too much resources going out and about. Too much unecessary confrontation. Just protect whats mine.

Ammo and food and water. Ride it out.

drck1000

Re: War Preparation Gear (for civilians)
« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2022, 12:15:40 PM »
I was waiting for a thread like this.

Inmho id keep my ass home. Id burn too much resources going out and about. Too much unecessary confrontation. Just protect whats mine.

Ammo and food and water. Ride it out.
Yeah, pretty much. Oh, add alcohol.

No sense bugging anywhere.  If anything, just help for close friends and family.  My buddy’s son loves loading mags.  8)

RSN172

Happily living in Puna

changemyoil66

Re: War Preparation Gear (for civilians)
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2022, 12:40:09 PM »
I was waiting for a thread like this.

Inmho id keep my ass home. Id burn too much resources going out and about. Too much unecessary confrontation. Just protect whats mine.

Ammo and food and water. Ride it out.
This. Cause we not like the mainland where 1 can hide in the huge forest (OG Red Dawn).

Then add in, is there a water source and food source in the forest that we do have. And is there enough for the many who would go there. Then add in more people, more attention.

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QUIETShooter

Re: War Preparation Gear (for civilians)
« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2022, 12:54:45 PM »
One thing I keep procrastinating is teaching my wife and kids on how to load mags.....

My wife and kids don't want to learn how to handle and shoot firearms.  Might as well convince them to at least help me with the mag loading..... :grrr:

I don't plan to bug out.  We live on an island.  Only can go in circles.  And the mountains?  Nah.  I going stay home.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

DocMercy

Re: War Preparation Gear (for civilians)
« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2022, 08:41:09 AM »
As a paranoid-confusional, I'll be investigating FRAS armor, a new type of body protection produced by Safelite.



Scott has tested this against 5.56 and 7.62 mm ammo, which means it's nominally good against Commie rifles. Friggin' expensive, but if my L'Oreal wife is worth it, so is her husband (me).

https://safelifedefense.com/product/uniform-style-flexible-rifle-armor-fras/

groveler

Re: War Preparation Gear (for civilians)
« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2022, 09:02:13 AM »
One thing I keep procrastinating is teaching my wife and kids on how to load mags.....

My wife and kids don't want to learn how to handle and shoot firearms.  Might as well convince them to at least help me with the mag loading..... :grrr:

I don't plan to bug out.  We live on an island.  Only can go in circles.  And the mountains?  Nah.  I going stay home.
I'm an old man with a fucked up knee.
so bad I can't ride a bike and can barely drive a manual transmission.
I'm not going anywhere.
But I do have a 3" black powder cannon in my front yard.
 :thumbsup:

zippz

Re: War Preparation Gear (for civilians)
« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2022, 09:06:50 AM »
Stay as light as you can.  Helmet, plates, water.  You don't need tons of ammo.

Realistically you're going to die quickly if you stay in place too long as an individual. You're outnumbered so you'll get flanked or flushed out by teams.  You're also outgunned so going to take a rocket, a bomb, missile, sniped, tank round, pinned down by machine gun fire,  etc in short order.  Hit and run, no more than a minute or two in an engagement.

Difficult to work as part of a team too unless you spend a lot of time training together and have good coordination.