Dog Attack. What would/could you do? (Read 6303 times)

RSN172

Dog Attack. What would/could you do?
« on: March 28, 2022, 10:22:36 AM »
This poor woman suffered devastating injuries while being attacked by 3 dogs.  A man was able to chase the dogs away by firing a gun in the air (not a good idea not knowing where your bullet will land). Here in Puna, I see lots of loose dogs, many chase after the car when you pass. I also see people walking without even a stick in their hand.  This got me thinking,  what could I do to stop an attack like this without a gun? I am not about to go against 3 dogs with only a knife and/or a stick. Since we cannot legally carry a gun in Hawaii, what would you do? Call 911 and remain safely in your vehicle?

https://nypost.com/2022/03/25/sc-mom-has-both-arms-amputated-after-mauled-by-3-pitbulls/
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groveler

Re: Dog Attack. What would/could you do?
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2022, 11:10:07 AM »
This poor woman suffered devastating injuries while being attacked by 3 dogs.  A man was able to chase the dogs away by firing a gun in the air (not a good idea not knowing where your bullet will land). Here in Puna, I see lots of loose dogs, many chase after the car when you pass. I also see people walking without even a stick in their hand.  This got me thinking,  what could I do to stop an attack like this without a gun? I am not about to go against 3 dogs with only a knife and/or a stick. Since we cannot legally carry a gun in Hawaii, what would you do? Call 911 and remain safely in your vehicle?

https://nypost.com/2022/03/25/sc-mom-has-both-arms-amputated-after-mauled-by-3-pitbulls/
Break the law, you are in the Puna district. /sarc
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Brystont1

Re: Dog Attack. What would/could you do?
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2022, 11:12:17 AM »
Bear spray?

RSN172

Re: Dog Attack. What would/could you do?
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2022, 11:21:15 AM »
Break the law, you are in the Puna district. /sarc
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I almost forgot that over here you can shoot and leave and either mobody will call the cops or if called they will take 45 min minimum to get here. But since no one here does anything illegal,  I cannot carry a gun outside my property and break this forum's rules.
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ren

Re: Dog Attack. What would/could you do?
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2022, 11:31:40 AM »
I often come across this situation when commuting on the bike path. I try to find an alternate path or just pedal as fast as I can through the pack of dogs.
This is where I commute through: https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2019/02/18/bike-ride-ends-with-trip-er-after-vicious-dog-attack/
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QUIETShooter

Re: Dog Attack. What would/could you do?
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2022, 11:49:23 AM »
I was doing a service call at Schofield years ago while I was still working.  A loose dog rushed me, hell bent on latching on to me.

I kicked out at it instinctively and it backed away.  I planned to take off my shirt and wrap it around my left forearm.  If it rushed me again I was planning to hold my left arm out and let it latch on.  Once latched on I was planning to scissor lock it with my legs and then stab it repeatedly with my right arm with my pocket knife.

Well, that was the plan anyway.  Not sure if it would've worked.  A kid appeared out of nowhere and called the dog off.  Guess it was his fuckin dog.

Too bad the kid was a ways off.  I would have kicked him too.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

changemyoil66

Re: Dog Attack. What would/could you do?
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2022, 11:50:28 AM »
Zero dog training, but my plan is to go ape shit on the dog before it jumps at you.  No way I'm gonna out run a dog.  All the dog attack vids ive seen have people hitting the dogs body with a branch or stick, which didn't do anything.  Head blows with fist and if can false the dog mid air, I hope this would work =.  YOu might break your hand, but hope the dog gets scared off. Basically, attack, attack, attack once the dog pounces. Plus my knife should already be drawn by then, and then body blows would work better.

QUIETShooter

Re: Dog Attack. What would/could you do?
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2022, 11:51:22 AM »
I often come across this situation when commuting on the bike path. I try to find an alternate path or just pedal as fast as I can through the pack of dogs.
This is where I commute through: https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2019/02/18/bike-ride-ends-with-trip-er-after-vicious-dog-attack/

Hawaii needs CCW.  Not all threats are the two legged kind.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

hvybarrels

Re: Dog Attack. What would/could you do?
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2022, 11:54:56 AM »
In Samoa everyone carries rocks or a club if they are walking by themselves.
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hvybarrels

Re: Dog Attack. What would/could you do?
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2022, 11:56:48 AM »
In Fiji they walk down the road with cane knives
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hvybarrels

Re: Dog Attack. What would/could you do?
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2022, 11:58:01 AM »
In Tonga all the mean dogs get eaten
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RSN172

Re: Dog Attack. What would/could you do?
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2022, 12:02:17 PM »
This woman was attacked by 3 dogs.  One dog, I figure I can handle with my EDC, but not 3 dogs. These dogs were in the process of eating this woman alive, hence the question what would you do without a gun. Bear spray is good, but can you legally carry that in Hawaii? Tokunagas in Hilo had at least a dozen on the shelf when I was there 2 weeks ago.  Almost heard they have a stockpile of Tasers but waiting for their seller permit.
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RSN172

Re: Dog Attack. What would/could you do?
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2022, 12:09:53 PM »
In Fiji they walk down the road with cane knives
I wouldn't feel confident confronting 3 dogs bent to kill with a cane knife, even though I am very experienced using one, having trimmed cocos more than 20,000 times with one. I would feel much more confident with my katana sword.  Maybe I should start carrying it in my car.
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aieahound

Re: Dog Attack. What would/could you do?
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2022, 01:28:25 PM »
3 good size dogs.
You’re fawked.
Pack mentality at that point.
The bear spray might work though.

Platinum808

Re: Dog Attack. What would/could you do?
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2022, 01:38:56 PM »
You should always carry a pocket knife i will take on three dog with my edc!
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Jl808

Dog Attack. What would/could you do?
« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2022, 01:59:39 PM »
Multiple stabs to the heart or cut the throat.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Dog Attack. What would/could you do?
« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2022, 02:05:35 PM »
First thing, try to understand animal behavior.  Dogs will become more aggressive if they think you are intimidated.  Don't respond to their barks and nips.  don't yell.  Stand still -- arms down but fists clenched ready just in case.  Don't make eye contact, which signals a challenge.  In short, don't panic.  If they are seeming to become less aggressive, try very slowly walking away.

Next, if the dog won't disengage, try loud, authoritative commands, like "No!,"  "Stay!" and "Heel!"  Dogs that have had some degree of training should know at least one of those commands and might at least pause to consider what's being commanded.  The more you appear to be in control and not simply reacting to the animal's aggression, the better.

Whatever you do, don't run.  If you are on a bike, push it rather than try to out run them.  Fast-moving "prey" are an invitation for a chase.

If you have something close to you to throw, try using that to distract them.  Don't throw it at the dog.  Just toss it away from you so the dog sees it.  I doubt he'll fetch it, but it shows you have the "power" to strike the animal from a distance.

If all fails, and you are being bitten, protect your face and neck.  Try punching the dog's nose which is their most sensitive body part that's coming at you.  If you have the strength, you can try grabbing the dog by the throat, but that only lasts a few seconds before they wiggle loose.  A sharp punch or kick causes pain that last longer.

If you can evade, go for higher ground.  Jump onto a rock wall, car hood, or anything else that gives you more height.  It may prevent the dog from reaching you at all, but at least it helps protect your face and neck.  This might be the best plan if attacked by a pack of dogs.

Afterward, seek medical attention.  Animal bites are almost as bad as human bites.  Infections can become life-threatening.

If you escape and have a moment out of danger while in view of the dogs, take a pic on your phone.  The pics will help identify the dog/s later when you report the attack to the Cops.  Don't bother reporting to the Humane Society.  They will be contacted by the police if needed.  Report it even if you weren't injured.  Menacing dogs can hurt the next person who tries to run.

When I was a kid, I used to go door-to-door all the time (seems like more days than not) selling fundraiser stuff for band, school, Boy Scouts, my Church youth group, etc.  I also sold newspapers for myself on my bike.  I've dealt with my share of dogs wanting to chase me.  The best, most reliable response was to stop, freeze and wait.  If you aren't behaving as the dog hoped (running, screaming in fear or fighting), they will also stop to size the situation up.  9 times out of 10, they will go away since you're not "playing" their game.  You aren't afraid, combative or anything else.  You're just still .... quiet ,,, waiting.

Pit Bulls are going to be the exception.  When they decide to attack, they go all in.  They bite and refuse to let go.  They will continue to attack relentlessly until they win.  Standing still is difficult, as well as ill-advised, if you're being mauled.  At this point, you only have one option -- FIGHT!  I've seen stories of Pit Bull attacks.  One man was jogging and had 3 of them attack.  He was left without feet and with several other major injuries.  The thing the victims all had in common was how determined the Pit Bulls were.  Once they made up their minds to attack, getting them to stop was nearly impossible.

They say once a dog tastes human blood, they have to be put down.  I believe that to be true, if for no other reason than they have already shown they have no problem attacking humans.  This is why reporting them is important.

Animals are animals, no matter how well-trained, "sweet" or socialized you think yours are.  My 90 lb German Shepherd was a completely friendly dog.  Never even looked like he was thinking of hurting a person.  But, when people came over, I put him in his pen or kept him on a lead at my side.  I wanted to make sure if anything happened, he was always within my control.  You can't control the environment 100% of the time.  Things can happen to make them think there is danger.  They react on instinct.  A responsible owner would control their dogs and not allow them to roam freely.  I personally think any dog roaming the streets needs to be reported and picked up by animal control or whoever is in that role.  Safer for the dog, and safer for everyone.



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RSN172

Re: Dog Attack. What would/could you do?
« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2022, 02:26:47 PM »
You should always carry a pocket knife i will take on three dog with my edc!
That I would like to see.  Actually not. I don't want to see you get killed or maimed.
Multiple stabs to the heart or cut the throat.
Against one dog good chance. Against 3 dogs, you would have almost no chance.
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groveler

Re: Dog Attack. What would/could you do?
« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2022, 02:32:55 PM »
I almost forgot that over here you can shoot and leave and either mobody will call the cops or if called they will take 45 min minimum to get here. But since no one here does anything illegal,  I cannot carry a gun outside my property and break this forum's rules.
The Oahu people may not appreciate this,  If you have a hunting license, in the area you and I live in we can carry guns as we are
pig hunting or going to a place to pig hunt..
We can't shoot on/from a PUBLIC road, or within several hundred feet of a house, but we can carry guns in public.
You are correct about response times and as to whether someone calls.
I hear gunfire all the time at night, some of it has even been full auto, I don't call the cops for anything.
As far as I know my neighbors don't either.
I never violate the law, but I'm not required to snitch on locals being locals either.
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drck1000

Re: Dog Attack. What would/could you do?
« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2022, 02:38:02 PM »
That I would like to see.  Actually not. I don't want to see you get killed or maimed.Against one dog good chance. Against 3 dogs, you would have almost no chance.
Maybe against a bulldog and shihtzu mix. . .