Trump 'likely' committed crime trying to stay in power (Read 5291 times)

eyeeatingfish

Re: Trump 'likely' committed crime trying to stay in power
« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2022, 01:39:57 PM »
Please share 1 huge claim that was true that the fake news pushed. U know, the stories they pushed for days to years are the huge ones. Not a 2 minute story and never mention again.



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Why?
I am not defending the media here.

changemyoil66

Re: Trump 'likely' committed crime trying to stay in power
« Reply #21 on: April 09, 2022, 05:37:59 PM »
Why?
I am not defending the media here.
Because u said u see loads not believing. When something is not true, there will be loads of people who dont believe it.

Ur statement implies that the fake news is right and trump supporters refuse to believe them despite the evidence presented (lack of critical thinking by tumpr supporters).

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump 'likely' committed crime trying to stay in power
« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2022, 06:17:45 PM »
Sad to say I see loads of people on both sides who lack these critical thinking skills. People who believe every claim against Trump and people who disbelieve every claim against him. I have literally hear people say Trump didn't do any quid-pro-quo simply on the logic that Trump said he doesn't want quid-pro-quo (as if anyone with half a brain would say so). When people dig their trenches it becomes harder for them to see the facts from the propaganda.

It is two sides of the same coin, difference is that on this forum there are more people on one side and very few on the other so people here can outpost him and make him seem like the ridiculous side.

You seem to want to group people into this or that category based on nothing more than what you "have literally hear [sic] people say Trump didn't do any quid-pro-quo simply on the logic that Trump said he doesn't want quid-pro-quo."  So, that means everyone who agrees there was no quid pro quo followed that same reasoning?  Why can't the people who believe the RIGHT facts do so for the WRONG reasons?

For example, if I tell you Joe Biden's son is guilty of money laundering and political corruption which involves his father, you're going to ask for evidence.  The evidence was covered up during the election, but plenty of information on the laptop was made public to SUSPECT these are the facts, even if they aren't proven legally.

I'm allowed to believe the information that's in the public domain unless and until new facts prove me wrong.  To simply say I'm wrong because I believe the reports from a Hunter Biden business partner, a computer repairman, and the pieces of the backup leaked to the press by Guiliani, and didn't wait for hard proof is not an argument.  It's a disagreement over the voracity and accuracy of the facts reported.

By the same token, if you did not believe the laptop was genuine because you trust the press when they ALL said it had the hallmarks of  Russian disinformation, and 50 some odd former intelligence agents also dismissed it as Russian disinformation, are you not also free to believe those reports over the ones I believe?

It sounds like you think you can divine the truth from publicly available information no matter who it's about, and that's just not true.  The media and the DNC are one.  Nothing the Democrats want buried will ever become a hot news item unless the story somehow blows up -- as in a whistleblower with receipts comes forward.

These are not "two sides of the same coin."  That implies they are each following a political bias rather than their own reasoning.  In my world, the press has lied so many times the last 50 years, I find it impossible to believe anything they report regarding politics unless there's live, unedited footage shown to prove it's true.  If Trump said something, and there's no video, I'm leaning toward another "anonymous source" spreading false rumors -- again.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Trump 'likely' committed crime trying to stay in power
« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2022, 03:47:18 PM »
Because u said u see loads not believing. When something is not true, there will be loads of people who dont believe it.

Ur statement implies that the fake news is right and trump supporters refuse to believe them despite the evidence presented (lack of critical thinking by tumpr supporters).

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I am talking about when there is real news and Trump supporters don't believe it. Wouldn't make sense to point out when Trump supporters don't believe fake news.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Trump 'likely' committed crime trying to stay in power
« Reply #24 on: April 13, 2022, 03:51:28 PM »
You seem to want to group people into this or that category based on nothing more than what you "have literally hear [sic] people say Trump didn't do any quid-pro-quo simply on the logic that Trump said he doesn't want quid-pro-quo."  So, that means everyone who agrees there was no quid pro quo followed that same reasoning?  Why can't the people who believe the RIGHT facts do so for the WRONG reasons?

For example, if I tell you Joe Biden's son is guilty of money laundering and political corruption which involves his father, you're going to ask for evidence.  The evidence was covered up during the election, but plenty of information on the laptop was made public to SUSPECT these are the facts, even if they aren't proven legally.

I'm allowed to believe the information that's in the public domain unless and until new facts prove me wrong.  To simply say I'm wrong because I believe the reports from a Hunter Biden business partner, a computer repairman, and the pieces of the backup leaked to the press by Guiliani, and didn't wait for hard proof is not an argument.  It's a disagreement over the voracity and accuracy of the facts reported.

By the same token, if you did not believe the laptop was genuine because you trust the press when they ALL said it had the hallmarks of  Russian disinformation, and 50 some odd former intelligence agents also dismissed it as Russian disinformation, are you not also free to believe those reports over the ones I believe?

It sounds like you think you can divine the truth from publicly available information no matter who it's about, and that's just not true.  The media and the DNC are one.  Nothing the Democrats want buried will ever become a hot news item unless the story somehow blows up -- as in a whistleblower with receipts comes forward.

These are not "two sides of the same coin."  That implies they are each following a political bias rather than their own reasoning.  In my world, the press has lied so many times the last 50 years, I find it impossible to believe anything they report regarding politics unless there's live, unedited footage shown to prove it's true.  If Trump said something, and there's no video, I'm leaning toward another "anonymous source" spreading false rumors -- again.

No, I am not saying that anyone who believes there was no quid pro quo are following the same reasoning, I was pointing out that there were some people who argued there wasn't quid-pro-quo based on a laughably weak defense. One could make a better argument using other facts, using the specific one I mentioned is just silly and shows a lack of critical thinking skills as was mentioned.

We want to act like only democrats lack critical thinking skills, but we are full of such people too. We just don't call them out because they are on our own side.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump 'likely' committed crime trying to stay in power
« Reply #25 on: April 13, 2022, 04:37:37 PM »
No, I am not saying that anyone who believes there was no quid pro quo are following the same reasoning, I was pointing out that there were some people who argued there wasn't quid-pro-quo based on a laughably weak defense. One could make a better argument using other facts, using the specific one I mentioned is just silly and shows a lack of critical thinking skills as was mentioned.

We want to act like only democrats lack critical thinking skills, but we are full of such people too. We just don't call them out because they are on our own side.

Who is "we"?  You got a mouse in your pocket?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Trump 'likely' committed crime trying to stay in power
« Reply #26 on: April 13, 2022, 06:04:12 PM »
I am talking about when there is real news and Trump supporters don't believe it. Wouldn't make sense to point out when Trump supporters don't believe fake news.
Whats real news? And who reports real news?

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump 'likely' committed crime trying to stay in power
« Reply #27 on: April 13, 2022, 08:56:56 PM »
Whats real news? And who reports real news?

I'm guessing that mouse he carries around in his pocket.

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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Trump 'likely' committed crime trying to stay in power
« Reply #28 on: April 25, 2022, 11:06:15 PM »
Who is "we"?  You got a mouse in your pocket?

Conservatives, republicans, etc.