Hawaii Democrat Rep. Kai Kahele votes by proxy yet still pilots for Hawaiian Airlines (Read 4697 times)

aletheuo137

changemyoil66

He's been out of DC for a few months now showing face around HI and taking pics. Word is he's gonna run for gov.

aieahound

Wow.
Seems like a pretty damning article which no one in Hawaii will take any notice of.

changemyoil66

Wow.
Seems like a pretty damning article which no one in Hawaii will take any notice of.

It's OK because he has a Hawaiian last name and supports BLM.  When the A-stan jack up happened, he had more BLM post than support for the loss of the 13 troops, even though he rides the veteran bandwagon.

groveler

The guy is my congress critter.
I didn't vote for him.
I'm sure he is a good, honorable man, if not a little confused
politically.
Since all he represents is the Democrat party,  he has figured it out,
he doesn't need to waste his time in D.C. He'll always vote the party line,
so why bother to mix in with certifiable idiots and crooks?
He'll get re-elected as long as he wants the job and votes the party line.
His staff can handle the mundane day to day irritations.  That is why
they all just got really big raises.
Easy Peasy road to riches.
 :shaka:

changemyoil66

No need actually do anything. Just vote with party. Simple.

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QUIETShooter

I don't want a congressman that would drop everything whenever he has to go fly a plane for Hawaiian Airlines..........

Come to think of it, I wouldn't want my governor to do the same.

Nice "catchy" name, though.  And there is a big "D" right next to it.  Hawaii people will vote for the "D" and the "catchy" name and then grumble shortly thereafter.

Rinse and repeat.  Always.  Because Hawaii. :rofl:

Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

RSN172

Eh, give da guy a break. He jus tryin fo make a living in expensive Hawaii.

What better way than to have a job that pays $174,000 a year and allows you to do
it remotely while you work another high paying job. 
Happily living in Puna

Flapp_Jackson

After reading the article (and taking what was reported as factual -- something that goes against my anti-media bias), I'm not so quick to judge the man harshly.

1.  All pilots require a certain amount of flying hours periodically to keep their licenses current.  If he failed to fly enough hours, it would impact him severely if he loses the next election, as his job as a pilot would take time, money and effort to be reinstated.

2.  The cost involved in "commuting" between HI and DC is extremely expensive, even when compared to CA or other West Coast states.  The hours and dollars spent to go between home and work, and having to have a place to live when at work, isn't something all Congress critters have to contend with.  Whether this comes out of his pocket or through reimbursed travel expenses (i.e. tax payer funds), it's still a factor.

3.  If everything he's doing is completely allowed under the rules, then there's no reason to pretend like he's doing anything wrong.  Even though some rules don't often make sense, the ones in the article seem reasonable.

I have a feeling he only wanted this position in order to fluff up his resume for his planned governor's campaign.  He might not be seeking reelection to his DC job, so this whole issue may be moot.  I can see opponents using this as a talking point to smear him, but none of this matters a hill of beans compared to all the real problems we are facing.

We already know Congress types start campaigning for reelection the day after they win their current term.  I'd rather see them taking time off to support their state's local economy than fundraising twice a month in states other than the one they represent.

JMHO.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

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Kai has had someone else cast his vote 92 times since he took office due to being gone.

Ed case 11 times.

If it is job related, he should choose 1 or the other.

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QUIETShooter

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Kai has had someone else cast his vote 92 times since he took office due to being gone.

Ed case 11 times.

If it is job related, he should choose 1 or the other.

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Maybe this is the new "work from home" ethic being pushed nowadays since the "pandemic".

Maybe in the future all government leaders  will do the same.

Maybe in the future all government workers will do the same.  Including military.  Including front line combat units.  Including those monitoring and securing our nuclear arsenal.  And nuclear waste.

 :rofl:

The POTUS goes home every weekend.  He works from home on weekends.  I think.

And kamala.   :rofl:  Does she work?

Yes, it shows how disgruntled I am about things in Washington DC and the critters that are currently inhabiting that swamp.  And the swamp here in our backyards.  Same swamp.  Just in two places.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

drck1000

He's been out of DC for a few months now showing face around HI and taking pics. Word is he's gonna run for gov.
Don't know much about Kahele, but anybody but Green.  Then the other current choices are Carlise and Cayetano.  Don't know much about Cayetano from recent things. . .

Been seeing a lot of BJ Penn for Gov stickers.  Even from a quite Liberal older lady in my building. . . So maybe there is hope for folks seeing through Green.

RSN172

I got my doubts about BJ getting to be elected Governor,  but Jesse Ventura became Governor of MN, so who knows?
Happily living in Puna

drck1000

I got my doubts about BJ getting to be elected Governor,  but Jesse Ventura became Governor of MN, so who knows?
Doubts?  It will be interesting to see who ends up getting more support.  Bu or BJ  :o

 :rofl:

changemyoil66

Don't know much about Kahele, but anybody but Green.  Then the other current choices are Carlise and Cayetano.  Don't know much about Cayetano from recent things. . .

Been seeing a lot of BJ Penn for Gov stickers.  Even from a quite Liberal older lady in my building. . . So maybe there is hope for folks seeing through Green.

From what Cayetano post, she's business oriented. I would say probably like a Blangiardi, but more blue.  The up or down side of Vicki is that I'm sure her husband will be giving his $0.02 of what to do.

Flapp_Jackson

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Kai has had someone else cast his vote 92 times since he took office due to being gone.

Ed case 11 times.

If it is job related, he should choose 1 or the other.
Having someone vote for you isn't the same as someone voting instead of you.  A proxy votes as you tell them to.  Effectively no difference if you were there to cast your vote in person.

Since the vast majority of Congress critters vote with their parties, I think they could ALL stay home and hire a few proxies to cast the actual votes.  The tally is meaningless when we all know ahead of the vote what the results will be.  Few surprises have happened in the last 50 years -- surprises that actually impacted the outcome.

Our representatives no longer represent the people who elect them.  They represent the big money donors who help get them elected, and the parties which are the gatekeepers of elected office.  It's nearly impossible to get elected and stay in office without your party's support.  That means you have to vote with the party to avoid being "primaried" out of office.

With the ability to attend meetings via Skype and other technologies, and the ease of texting back and forth in real time, I don't see a problem with any Congress Critter voting by proxy.  Forcing people to travel half way across the globe to stand in chambers and say "aye" and "nay" for a couple of votes doesn't justify the resources and cost of travel.

What I hope is that these people are using that time at home not to just be with family and friends, but to do what's been missing: getting out and talking to their constituents to see what our wants and needs are -- not using polls in place of that like most do.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Green = Union YES man
Deeds Not Words

changemyoil66

Having someone vote for you isn't the same as someone voting instead of you.  A proxy votes as you tell them to.  Effectively no difference if you were there to cast your vote in person.

Since the vast majority of Congress critters vote with their parties, I think they could ALL stay home and hire a few proxies to cast the actual votes.  The tally is meaningless when we all know ahead of the vote what the results will be.  Few surprises have happened in the last 50 years -- surprises that actually impacted the outcome.

Our representatives no longer represent the people who elect them.  They represent the big money donors who help get them elected, and the parties which are the gatekeepers of elected office.  It's nearly impossible to get elected and stay in office without your party's support.  That means you have to vote with the party to avoid being "primaried" out of office.

With the ability to attend meetings via Skype and other technologies, and the ease of texting back and forth in real time, I don't see a problem with any Congress Critter voting by proxy.  Forcing people to travel half way across the globe to stand in chambers and say "aye" and "nay" for a couple of votes doesn't justify the resources and cost of travel.

What I hope is that these people are using that time at home not to just be with family and friends, but to do what's been missing: getting out and talking to their constituents to see what our wants and needs are -- not using polls in place of that like most do.

He has been posting lots of pics on his IG with various people/groups in HI. But IDK if he's actually talking/listening or just photo op, or talking to only people who agree with him.  Which brings me back to the running for gov thing.  For the SA to post an article about this, tells me he isn't their first draft choice for what his future running is.

Flapp_Jackson

He has been posting lots of pics on his IG with various people/groups in HI. But IDK if he's actually talking/listening or just photo op, or talking to only people who agree with him.  Which brings me back to the running for gov thing.  For the SA to post an article about this, tells me he isn't their first draft choice for what his future running is.

I put as much stock in what the local newspaper editors think about candidates as I do my horoscope.

In my opinion, if the local "power brokers" who have a history of supporting some very incompetent and corrupt candidates think someone is NOT their "first draft choice," maybe that's a sign we should follow them more closely. 
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66



1.  All pilots require a certain amount of flying hours periodically to keep their licenses current.  If he failed to fly enough hours, it would impact him severely if he loses the next election, as his job as a pilot would take time, money and effort to be reinstated.



Civil Beat posted an article about a new provision in the union contract for pilots/elected officials.  it mentions him maintaining his flight status while he is a rep in DC. Not sure of the details though.