I agree, this one feels a little different but I think holding strong is the wrong answer, I think holding strong is going to get us crucified. We can stand our ground chanting about constitutional rights but I think this makes us seem out of touch. We stonewall against further gun control laws but do so without providing any real systemic alternative solution. We even resist non-gun control ideas.

We support the constitutional right because that's exactly what it is. The only people who view the pro2a people as "out of touch" are anti 2a people and people who know nothing about the constitution.

And any action for gun control that the DNC submits is most of the time a violation of this.

Alternative solution, instead of sending $40 billion to Ukraine, how about use that $ for teams of armed guards at every school.  Because just 1 isn't enough to watch an entire school.  Let teachers and staff carry as they please so they can protect the flock.

We protect our law makers with teams of armed people, casinos, cash delivery, but schools are a no.  Instead lets place a sign that reads "gun free zone".

Do you folks see Obama’s tweet? I saw it via second hand “push”. Good to see that even liberals are “wtf? Really?”

Race baiting at its finest

This one ?

Barack Obama
@BarackObama
As we grieve the children of Uvalde today, we should take time to recognize that two years have passed since the murder of George Floyd under the knee of a police officer. His killing stays with us all to this day, especially those who loved him.
10:08 AM · May 25, 2022

Read the full conversation on Twitter”

“ Florida Republican Vice Chairman Christian Ziegler blasted Obama for being insensitive.

“Quickest, weirdest and most insensitive Tweet Pivot I have seen,” Ziegler tweeted. “Obama turned the page on the children of Uvalde and moved the attention to George Floyd in less then 280 characters. I mean… couldn’t he have separated the two into 2 Tweets and waited 2 mins between both posts?””

Or the one below ?
Or the one where he blames Republicans for all the tragedy.

This one ?

SNIP

The former

The back door to the school was locked.  Reports now say a teacher PROPPED THE DOOR OPEN.

I don't know if the teacher admits it or if this is just a deduction, but I'd bet money a teacher may want the door to be open as a matter of convenience for anyone taking a smoke break or returning from lunch so they don't have to walk around the school from the parking lot to enter the building.  This all happened around lunchtime, so that's a possibility.

This was also the last school day before Summer Break, so maybe someone was carrying stuff between their car and the building.

Whatever the reason, if the report is true, the school will now be blamed -- even though the shooter could have probably entered though the front door.  That open door just made his surprise entrance more convenient.

1 Border agent who entered just sat down for a haircut and got a text from his wife who's a teacher there and whos daughter attends the school. He grabbed his barbers shotgun and rushed over. He was able to get his daughter out and others.

We support the constitutional right because that's exactly what it is. The only people who view the pro2a people as "out of touch" are anti 2a people and people who know nothing about the constitution.

And any action for gun control that the DNC submits is most of the time a violation of this.

Alternative solution, instead of sending $40 billion to Ukraine, how about use that $ for teams of armed guards at every school.  Because just 1 isn't enough to watch an entire school.  Let teachers and staff carry as they please so they can protect the flock.

We protect our law makers with teams of armed people, casinos, cash delivery, but schools are a no.  Instead lets place a sign that reads "gun free zone".

Great post. 

I also agree that schools should have armed, trained, and vetted personnel that will protect the school.  Also if teachers and staff are willing to be trained and want to CCW, then they should be allowed to do so.

Unfortunately it seems to me that most people in the democrat majority school system wants guns done away with 100%.  They erroneously think that if guns are no longer in existence then they, the children, and the world will be safe.

This couldn't be further from the truth.  In a "gun-less" society, only the criminally minded will have guns.  And if not, then machetes, hatchets, knives, clubs, pipe bombs, trucks, chemicals, and arson are just a few of the endless things an evil person can do or use to take lives.   

Guns are tools, and as much as they can take lives, they can also save lives.

It's funny.  As far back as I can remember, there is always something about people or law enforcement re-calling things about these nut-jobs that would draw alarms but nothing is or was done about it.  And the same thing happened with these two recent incidents. There is no way one can tell what a nut-job will do or when a nut-job will crack.

Situations like these require fighting fire with fire.  The nut-jobs show no remorse in what they do.  When they commit their evil act, they must be eliminated with extreme prejudice.

Plain and simple.  Going the Kumbaya route is not going to cut it.   

 

Great post. 

I also agree that schools should have armed, trained, and vetted personnel that will protect the school.  Also if teachers and staff are willing to be trained and want to CCW, then they should be allowed to do so.

Unfortunately it seems to me that most people in the democrat majority school system wants guns done away with 100%.  They erroneously think that if guns are no longer in existence then they, the children, and the world will be safe.

This couldn't be further from the truth.  In a "gun-less" society, only the criminally minded will have guns.  And if not, then machetes, hatchets, knives, clubs, pipe bombs, trucks, chemicals, and arson are just a few of the endless things an evil person can do or use to take lives.   

Guns are tools, and as much as they can take lives, they can also save lives.

It's funny.  As far back as I can remember, there is always something about people or law enforcement re-calling things about these nut-jobs that would draw alarms but nothing is or was done about it.  And the same thing happened with these two recent incidents. There is no way one can tell what a nut-job will do or when a nut-job will crack.

Situations like these require fighting fire with fire.  The nut-jobs show no remorse in what they do.  When they commit their evil act, they must be eliminated with extreme prejudice.

Plain and simple.  Going the Kumbaya route is not going to cut it.

Was chatting about that with a shooting buddy last night, incidentally as I was loading up some 6.5. . .

I think all that is "needed" is the veil of defense.  Make it known that schools, or other institutions, have plain clothes staff, security, etc on site.  Don't NEED to be armed, but of course preferred.  Sort of like how even broken CCTV cameras can deter.  I've seen many malls in Asia that have "armed guards" that have either empty holsters, or guns that were obviously non-functional.  In some areas of the PI, those "armed guards" were apparently quite effective as deterrent, or at least "look elsewhere".  Best to have examples of "armed, trained, and vetted personnel that will protect the school" of course, but just need to make the target "less soft".

Have to combat the principled Karens that "my child needs a safe place, without guns" or the "I don't want my child anywhere they need guns".  But eh, you want you kid to be safe, no?

Was chatting about that with a shooting buddy last night, incidentally as I was loading up some 6.5. . .

I think all that is "needed" is the veil of defense.  Make it known that schools, or other institutions, have plain clothes staff, security, etc on site.  Don't NEED to be armed, but of course preferred.  Sort of like how even broken CCTV cameras can deter.  I've seen many malls in Asia that have "armed guards" that have either empty holsters, or guns that were obviously non-functional.  In some areas of the PI, those "armed guards" were apparently quite effective as deterrent, or at least "look elsewhere".  Best to have examples of "armed, trained, and vetted personnel that will protect the school" of course, but just need to make the target "less soft".

Have to combat the principled Karens that "my child needs a safe place, without guns" or the "I don't want my child anywhere they need guns".  But eh, you want you kid to be safe, no?

I got a friend who brought home a wife from PI and said the golf courses have guards with machine guns.  Another friend said the malls have guards with sub machine guns too. 

It's funny.  As far back as I can remember, there is always something about people or law enforcement re-calling things about these nut-jobs that would draw alarms but nothing is or was done about it.  And the same thing happened with these two recent incidents. There is no way one can tell what a nut-job will do or when a nut-job will crack.

I cannot confirm this but Dana Loesch posted that the shooter threatened others to fight and shot at others with a BB gun. So shooting someone with a BB gun alone should have been some kind of charge.  But maybe done under the age of 18, so it's not on his record, or in a sealed juvi record.

His mom finally released statement, "he had his reasons for doing what he did. Please don't judge him".  Here is the problem with our society.  The "he was a good kid" mentality.

I got a friend who brought home a wife from PI and said the golf courses have guards with machine guns.  Another friend said the malls have guards with sub machine guns too.

Yup.  That's what I saw when I was there last. Both in Makati/Manila, and "outlying" areas.  My company was contracting work there and they took us to show one of their projects as a posh course in Tagaytay.  SUPER nice and out in the middle of nowhere, but some nice guns.  Did they work?  Maybe, but I wouldn't have messed with them. 

Some mall guards, if you look close, have empty holsters.  But you can't tell until you get close.  Many are essentially bus boys for many of the smaller restaurants, coffee shops, etc. 

They also have chicks in bikini's as caddies, but I digress. . . 

Good discussion, but you might want to at least start listening at mark 20:17 where they bring up the ATF 4473 and how hit-or-miss background checks are.

Because, Government knows how to do one thing right:  f#ck sh!t up.     In THEORY, this country would have a fraction of the problems we experience if the solutions they dreamed up were actually implemented and managed as they should be.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/border-patrol-tactical-team-ordered-170904118.html

“ The agents from Border Patrol and Immigration and Customs Enforcement arrived at some point between 12 and 12:10 p.m., according to the officials — far earlier than previously known. But they did not breach the adjoining classrooms of the school where the gunman had locked himself in until a little before 1 p.m. Members of the federal tactical team killed the gunman.

The officials said that members of the Uvalde Police Department kept the federal agents from going in sooner.”
…
“ The federal officers had driven up from the Mexican border, one official said. The official said it was not clear to the federal agents why their team was needed and why the local SWAT team did not respond.”

They ran an active shooter drill 2 months prior.

Synopsis.

Time is of the essence.
Lone officer goes in if no one around.
It there are 2 and 1 goes down, remaining officer goes in alone.
Police expectes to put others lives ahead of their own.

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1 Border agent who entered just sat down for a haircut and got a text from his wife who's a teacher there and whos daughter attends the school. He grabbed his barbers shotgun and rushed over. He was able to get his daughter out and others.

Sounds like more of the have/ have not.

Off duty CPB officer able to rush to the scene,  take command, create a plan with LEO on scene & sweep the building for his daughter& wife. 


Parents willing to enter & look for their kids detained by officers standing around for an hour.

I forgot,  they are highly trained & the only ones that should be allowed firearms. 

I wonder how many other students were officers kids or stayed home on the last day of school.

What Really Happened in Uvalde?

The Timeline with more Questions!

https://canncon.substack.com/p/what-really-happened-in-uvalde?s=r

We support the constitutional right because that's exactly what it is. The only people who view the pro2a people as "out of touch" are anti 2a people and people who know nothing about the constitution.

I would argue that is a false dichotomy. Regardless, in the end we are a democracy and if democrats get enough votes the 2nd amendment can be modified or removed so we have to be concerned with how people view us.

And any action for gun control that the DNC submits is most of the time a violation of this.

I would agree that this is often, but not always, correct.

Alternative solution, instead of sending $40 billion to Ukraine, how about use that $ for teams of armed guards at every school.  Because just 1 isn't enough to watch an entire school.  Let teachers and staff carry as they please so they can protect the flock.

I am not against armed guards in school but realistically it isn't a solution to this particular problem. In the columbine shooting there was an armed officer on campus, it didn't stop the shooters. Might stop or dissuade a a few killers but I don't think it would stop that many, not when these guys are so often ready to die and have time to plan. Logistically it is a difficult response but arguably doable with enough time and money. The bigger problem is that this is mostly a reactionary measure to a mass killer, not a proactive measure.

Interesting to see so many "experts" now having to retract their statements after more information on timeline release from THOSE WHO WERE THERE. . . Including a couple of local "subject matter experts" who teach such tactics, but A) never had to execute and B) were not there.  I have no such specialized training, nor was I there.  However, I do not rush to convey my "knowledge" right after an event, when details are still emerging, talking down on others who shared their opinions. . .

Interesting to see so many "experts" now having to retract their statements after more information on timeline release from THOSE WHO WERE THERE. . . Including a couple of local "subject matter experts" who teach such tactics, but A) never had to execute and B) were not there.  I have no such specialized training, nor was I there.  However, I do not rush to convey my "knowledge" right after an event, when details are still emerging, talking down on others who shared their opinions. . .

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You talking about the politicians offering their "solutions"?
Lol

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You talking about the politicians offering their "solutions"?
Lol

No, but I guess that could apply too. . . as well as those "talking heads"

Plus those commenting on "common sense gun control", who don't even know what that means. . .