I beat this drum all the time - family
Since this is Hawaii and I've worked with many races here
this is one article that may be of interest.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/one-surprising-theory-why-the-philippines-has-very-few-mass-shootings%e2%80%94despite-easy-access-to-lots-of-guns/ar-AAYuoeY?ocid=mailsignout&li=BBnb7Kz

Family, family. ohana, ohana.
is the repair, not some stupid shit progressive liberal Schiff.
 

MSN says the theory as to why mass shootings are so rare indicates they are searching for the "Holy Grail" of causation.

There is no single variable, as we on here (most of us) agree. 

Comparing the US to the Philippines means we need to look at everything, not just the nuclear family constructs.  While that makes a big difference in ALL aspects of our values, we also have to look at other factors.

Is the level of prescribed psychotropic drugs the same?  Are they more concerned with individually preferred pronouns, teaching trans and Gay culture to small children, and aborting more babies than they allow to be born?

Society here creates so much self-induced stress, pressure and confusion, it's a wonder we haven't all gone insane.  Man is woman, White is bad, Immigration is a free-for-all, the economy is being run by a bunch of megalomaniacs who used a pandemic to grab power using illegal means, etc, etc.

At some point, we'll be faced with a law that doesn't allow terminally ill people to own guns.  Nothing more dangerous than someone with nothing to lose.   

As it stands, we have people fighting, looting, burning buildings and executing people over a single police shooting of someone breaking the law.  Where is the sanity in that?  Meanwhile, Black on Black crime rarely makes the local news.

As the article stated, there's a sharp contrast between the number of mass shootings and other types.  I wish they'd done their research and reported that there's little difference between them and the US in that regard.  They have 112.5M people, but the US has 332.7M.  So, we have nearly 300 times their population.  Think about that statistic when trying to compare the US to other countries.

In reality, the US is a collection of independent states.  Each state is a nation in and of itself.  That's one reason trying to enact Federal laws to solve any problem is itself problematic.  Maybe comparing the Philippines to a large or similarly geographically situated state with over a million residents makes more sense, such as Hawaii.  Mass shootings between THOSE entities puts the Philippines way ahead of Hawaii.

Anyway, I think "theories" comparing two countries without making the effort to be more "apples to apples" are a bunch of "thought experiments."

I often see Japan used on social media.  In Japan, it is not uncommon to leave your bag/laptop on the table and go to the restroom.  They come back and it's still there.  I see this often at the old Shirokiya Food Court.  Jap woman left her purse on the table to save it and went to grab food. She comes back and her purse is gone. HPD is there to make a report.  Often their passport is in the purse.  So it's a culture issue.

I often see Japan used on social media.  In Japan, it is not uncommon to leave your bag/laptop on the table and go to the restroom.  They come back and it's still there.  I see this often at the old Shirokiya Food Court.  Jap woman left her purse on the table to save it and went to grab food. She comes back and her purse is gone. HPD is there to make a report.  Often their passport is in the purse.  So it's a culture issue.

We have a "catch and release" policy for petty theft of personal property.  Rather than arrest and imprison the thieves, we post signs for tourist to not leave valuables in the car and lock the doors.  Blame the victims.

In Japan, I went to a department store with an umbrella rack at the entrance.  It was surprising they still used these, since you never see them in the US any more.  I do remember seeing them in stores when I was a kid, though.  It's a place to leave your wet umbrella when entering, and pick it up when leaving.

There was an umbrella in the rack, even though it wasn't raining.  it looked dusty and old.  My friend told me it had been there for years.  Apparently the owner forgot it long ago, but nobody else was going to remove it because it just didn't belong to them.

Here, people steal other people's slippers at their homes.   

MSN says the theory as to why mass shootings are so rare indicates they are searching for the "Holy Grail" of causation.

There is no single variable, as we on here (most of us) agree. 

Comparing the US to the Philippines means we need to look at everything, not just the nuclear family constructs.  While that makes a big difference in ALL aspects of our values, we also have to look at other factors.

Is the level of prescribed psychotropic drugs the same?  Are they more concerned with individually preferred pronouns, teaching trans and Gay culture to small children, and aborting more babies than they allow to be born?

Society here creates so much self-induced stress, pressure and confusion, it's a wonder we haven't all gone insane.  Man is woman, White is bad, Immigration is a free-for-all, the economy is being run by a bunch of megalomaniacs who used a pandemic to grab power using illegal means, etc, etc.

At some point, we'll be faced with a law that doesn't allow terminally ill people to own guns.  Nothing more dangerous than someone with nothing to lose.   

As it stands, we have people fighting, looting, burning buildings and executing people over a single police shooting of someone breaking the law.  Where is the sanity in that?  Meanwhile, Black on Black crime rarely makes the local news.

As the article stated, there's a sharp contrast between the number of mass shootings and other types.  I wish they'd done their research and reported that there's little difference between them and the US in that regard.  They have 112.5M people, but the US has 332.7M.  So, we have nearly 300 times their population.  Think about that statistic when trying to compare the US to other countries.

In reality, the US is a collection of independent states.  Each state is a nation in and of itself.  That's one reason trying to enact Federal laws to solve any problem is itself problematic.  Maybe comparing the Philippines to a large or similarly geographically situated state with over a million residents makes more sense, such as Hawaii.  Mass shootings between THOSE entities puts the Philippines way ahead of Hawaii.

Anyway, I think "theories" comparing two countries without making the effort to be more "apples to apples" are a bunch of "thought experiments."

All good points.
The article was written by a Liberal who could barely be objective,
but what caught my eye was this -
"But it seems that ingrained values in the Philippines are restraining people from using guns indiscriminately."
Why is that?  I've worked for years with Filipinos and I know why.
Same for Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Indians, Vietnamese, et al,
Strong sense of family and fear of shame.
Something alien to USA progressives.
 

All good points.
The article was written by a Liberal who could barely be objective,
but what caught my eye was this -
"But it seems that ingrained values in the Philippines are restraining people from using guns indiscriminately."
Why is that?  I've worked for years with Filipinos and I know why.
Same for Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Indians, Vietnamese, et al,
Strong sense of family and fear of shame.
Something alien to USA progressives.
 

USA progressives nomo shame.  I remember my dad pulling me aside before I went off on my very first job as bagboy for Foodland.

"You work hard, boy.  You no make me shame....."  He told me.  My Dad taught us to work hard, be honest, and have pride in what you do.

Somewhere along the line these values disappeared.  Maybe because there are no "Dads" anymore in families.

They just like poke and aren't interested in the end product.

We have a "catch and release" policy for petty theft of personal property.  Rather than arrest and imprison the thieves, we post signs for tourist to not leave valuables in the car and lock the doors.  Blame the victims.

In Japan, I went to a department store with an umbrella rack at the entrance.  It was surprising they still used these, since you never see them in the US any more.  I do remember seeing them in stores when I was a kid, though.  It's a place to leave your wet umbrella when entering, and pick it up when leaving.

There was an umbrella in the rack, even though it wasn't raining.  it looked dusty and old.  My friend told me it had been there for years.  Apparently the owner forgot it long ago, but nobody else was going to remove it because it just didn't belong to them.

Here, people steal other people's slippers at their homes.   

Taiwan has the same outside almost every store.

No 4th or 5th amendment though. DUI check point, every driver had to blow in the machine.

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In ikeda city in Japan in 2001 a guy went on a rampage and killed 8 elementary school children with a knife. Apparently it had something to do with his anger toward not being wealthy growing up and this school was a wealthy area one. He had a history of mental health problems, violence, and a criminal record.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre

Japan ha

Has had a number of such mass random killing incidents but not anywhere near as many as America. Not having access to guns (very rigorous approval process and limits on type) keep the body counts lower when they do occurr but they do still occurr.

I asked my wife about why she thinks they have less of a problem (she's from Japan) and besides the simple gun availability aspect and gun culture aspect the main thing we discussed was individualism. Japan is much more of a socially cohesive culture, individuality is of much less importance. There you don't question as much, you are more considerate, more organized, more polite, etc. Whereas here in america we place high value on individual freedoms even at the detriment towards overall societal good. The way she related that to mass killings was that it seems these people are more selfish and want to hurt everyone else because they are unhappy.

Hard to say for sure whether it is a factor but it is an interesting take and I could see it being part of the reason. Then there is also the whole "don't bring shame to the family" pressure that is big in Japan.

I am not sure how Philippine culture is similar to Japanese culture in those measures though.

In ikeda city in Japan in 2001 a guy went on a rampage and killed 8 elementary school children with a knife. Apparently it had something to do with his anger toward not being wealthy growing up and this school was a wealthy area one. He had a history of mental health problems, violence, and a criminal record.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre

Japan ha

Has had a number of such mass random killing incidents but not anywhere near as many as America. Not having access to guns (very rigorous approval process and limits on type) keep the body counts lower when they do occurr but they do still occurr.

I asked my wife about why she thinks they have less of a problem (she's from Japan) and besides the simple gun availability aspect and gun culture aspect the main thing we discussed was individualism. Japan is much more of a socially cohesive culture, individuality is of much less importance. There you don't question as much, you are more considerate, more organized, more polite, etc. Whereas here in america we place high value on individual freedoms even at the detriment towards overall societal good. The way she related that to mass killings was that it seems these people are more selfish and want to hurt everyone else because they are unhappy.

Hard to say for sure whether it is a factor but it is an interesting take and I could see it being part of the reason. Then there is also the whole "don't bring shame to the family" pressure that is big in Japan.

I am not sure how Philippine culture is similar to Japanese culture in those measures though.

We all are saying the same thing family, regardless of culture.
Destruction of family is the problem not guns.
my addition to that is
Guns laws are an illegitimate means of government control and do not solve the real problem.

In ikeda city in Japan in 2001 a guy went on a rampage and killed 8 elementary school children with a knife. Apparently it had something to do with his anger toward not being wealthy growing up and this school was a wealthy area one. He had a history of mental health problems, violence, and a criminal record.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre

Japan ha

Has had a number of such mass random killing incidents but not anywhere near as many as America. Not having access to guns (very rigorous approval process and limits on type) keep the body counts lower when they do occurr but they do still occurr.

I asked my wife about why she thinks they have less of a problem (she's from Japan) and besides the simple gun availability aspect and gun culture aspect the main thing we discussed was individualism. Japan is much more of a socially cohesive culture, individuality is of much less importance. There you don't question as much, you are more considerate, more organized, more polite, etc. Whereas here in america we place high value on individual freedoms even at the detriment towards overall societal good. The way she related that to mass killings was that it seems these people are more selfish and want to hurt everyone else because they are unhappy.

Hard to say for sure whether it is a factor but it is an interesting take and I could see it being part of the reason. Then there is also the whole "don't bring shame to the family" pressure that is big in Japan.

I am not sure how Philippine culture is similar to Japanese culture in those measures though.

Don't forget the hospital fire.  You should find out how many Japanese tourist suicides Waikiki has annually (precovid of course).

We all are saying the same thing family, regardless of culture.
Destruction of family is the problem not guns.
my addition to that is
Guns laws are an illegitimate means of government control and do not solve the real problem.

Guns are really just a tool that magnifies the damage these people can do, it certainly doesn't cause their problems.

I wouldn't say destruction of the family is the only problem but I certainly agree it is some part of the problem.

I disagree with your last statement though.

Big pharma is the main reason we have mass shootings.