Canadians do not have a right to use firearms for self defense (Read 2197 times)

Flapp_Jackson

Hunting, sport shooting, and other "approved" uses of firearms are legal.  But, buying or using a firearm for self defense is not a right Canadians possess.


The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Canadians do not have a right to use firearms for self defense
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2022, 03:29:57 AM »
I assume what he meant was that carrying firearms outside of the home for self defense is not allowed but the way he said it makes it sound like a homeowner cannot shoot a burglar breaking into his house.

QUIETShooter

Re: Canadians do not have a right to use firearms for self defense
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2022, 06:43:03 AM »
Trudeau is just making up things as he goes along.  My opinion.

This is what can happen when there is no 2a.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

groveler

Re: Canadians do not have a right to use firearms for self defense
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2022, 08:05:18 AM »
I assume what he meant was that carrying firearms outside of the home for self defense is not allowed but the way he said it makes it sound like a homeowner cannot shoot a burglar breaking into his house.
Know what happens when you assume?
He meant exactly what he said.
Hawaii is already the same.  I guarantee you that here, if you kill a home invader,
and tell the cops about it, you will be arrested, your guns confiscated, and you will
have significant legal expenses.
Charges may be dropped but you lose your guns for some time and they will be stored outside
in the elements, in the interim.
And in presumption of the question,  why don't you move?
I'm too old and banged up,
so I keep a good lawyer on speed dial.
 :shaka:

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Canadians do not have a right to use firearms for self defense
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2022, 12:32:08 PM »
I assume what he meant was that carrying firearms outside of the home for self defense is not allowed but the way he said it makes it sound like a homeowner cannot shoot a burglar breaking into his house.

No.  He explicitly said that if your reason for buying a gun is protection, you will not be allowed to buy it.  Plain English.

"...the difference is in Canada, guns can be used for hunting or for sport shooting..., but you can't use a gun for self-protection in Canada.  That's not a right that you have."

"If you try and buy a gun and say it's for self-protection, no, you don't get that.  You can get it for hunting, you can get it for sport shooting, you can take it to the range -- no problem as long as you go through our rigorous background checks."

I heard him say NOTHING about carrying guns outside the home.  Noir is a lawyer, and he explained Canadian law. You can own a hunting rifle, but you can't use it for self-defense.  Period.  Someone breaks into your home, and you stated on your application the reason you wanted to buy a gun was hunting, you can't then use it for protection.

"In Canada, for the purposes of owning certain firearms, you don't have a right to use them for self defense."

Did you even watch the whole video, or just read the title?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Canadians do not have a right to use firearms for self defense
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2022, 12:54:06 PM »
Know what happens when you assume?
He meant exactly what he said.
Hawaii is already the same.  I guarantee you that here, if you kill a home invader,
and tell the cops about it, you will be arrested, your guns confiscated, and you will
have significant legal expenses.
Charges may be dropped but you lose your guns for some time and they will be stored outside
in the elements, in the interim.
And in presumption of the question,  why don't you move?
I'm too old and banged up,
so I keep a good lawyer on speed dial.
 :shaka:

50/50. That Kalihi guy and the teens by the housing, he's still in jail. Even though he called 911 multiple times and they shot at him with something, he's still going to trial.

The Mililani Korean guy not in jail and no charges filed. The one the other guy was at his front door with a knife.

No details of what was said to the police from either party. Good rule of thumb is to keep your mouth shut until you speak to your lawyer.

groveler

Re: Canadians do not have a right to use firearms for self defense
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2022, 01:06:18 PM »
50/50. That Kalihi guy and the teens by the housing, he's still in jail. Even though he called 911 multiple times and they shot at him with something, he's still going to trial.

The Mililani Korean guy not in jail and no charges filed. The one the other guy was at his front door with a knife.

No details of what was said to the police from either party. Good rule of thumb is to keep your mouth shut until you speak to your lawyer.
Never. ever talk to a cop regarding what he is doing to interfere with your normal activities.  Period.
I personally wouldn't talk to an "off duty" cop at a shooting range.
Ask questions.
"Am I being detained"  Am I free to go?
Other than that,  no talking unless a lawyer is present.
 :thumbsup:

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Canadians do not have a right to use firearms for self defense
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2022, 01:11:48 PM »
Never. ever talk to a cop regarding what he is doing to interfere with your normal activities.  Period.
I personally wouldn't talk to an "off duty" cop at a shooting range.
Ask questions.
"Am I being detained"  Am I free to go?
Other than that,  no talking unless a lawyer is present.
 :thumbsup:

Must be hard being a Cop.  Everywhere they go now, someone has a cell phone camera pointed at them .... just so they don't miss anything!

 :geekdanc:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

groveler

Re: Canadians do not have a right to use firearms for self defense
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2022, 01:31:50 PM »
Must be hard being a Cop.  Everywhere they go now, someone has a cell phone camera pointed at them .... just so they don't miss anything!

 :geekdanc:
I'd agree it is a thankless job as it is now.
I once thought I wanted to be a cop, but after some classes and a few ride alongs
I figured out no WAY!
You are tasked with enforcing bullshit laws.
It is one thing to help people that need help, Domestic violence,
DUI, clean up of accidents and acts of violence,
and deal with crimes in progress
are what cops do well.
Most the time they do bullshit.
and are revenue collectors.
Cops cannot be everywhere, so a society that expects them to keep the peace
is delusional.
We are responsible for our own personal safety.
Cops should only be employed when it is beyond the ability
of normal people to handle bad situations.
Traffic tickets, drug raids, gambling raids, black market sales,
are all Bullshit.
That is it.
 :popcorn:

eyeeatingfish

Re: Canadians do not have a right to use firearms for self defense
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2022, 11:48:56 PM »
Know what happens when you assume?
He meant exactly what he said.

Your assumption clearly differs from my assumption.

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Hawaii is already the same.  I guarantee you that here, if you kill a home invader,
and tell the cops about it, you will be arrested, your guns confiscated, and you will
have significant legal expenses.
Charges may be dropped but you lose your guns for some time and they will be stored outside
in the elements, in the interim.

Not that I don't have my criticisms of how things are handled in Hawaii but this is a big oversimplification.