I hereby certify that Citizen Kanaka ...

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I wonder if the prerequisites for applying for police chief in the counties state that you must be anti-2a.

Some of the sheriffs on the mainland has balls the size of Mt. Everest.  They hold the constitution to heart and will defy all anti-2a government officials that get in the way of the 2nd amendment.

I bet these type of sheriffs applied for HPD chief and was immediately denied by the commission.

Hawaii being the puke-ass state that it is, will make it hard for law-abiding citizens to exercise their 2a rights. 

I stand ready to lend support in efforts to make sure the SCOTUS decision is honored, no matter how long it takes.

They can print a letter on HPD letterhead with the chiefs signature. I can even write the verbiage for them...
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HPD LETTERHEAD

ISSUE DATE:                   EXPIRATION DATE:                           PERMIT#:

I hereby certify that Citizen Kanaka has been granted a permit for the carriage of a concealed weapon in compliance with Hawaii Revised Statute 134-9.

This permit must be presented with an official form of photo identification (Drivers License or Identification Card from any state, Military ID card or Passport) when requested by Law Enforcement when carrying a concealed weapon.

This permit does not authorize the carriage of prohibited weapons as defined by law.

Signed,

Chief of Police
City and County of Honolulu

You’re hired. You start immediately

I wonder if the prerequisites for applying for police chief in the counties state that you must be anti-2a.
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One of the issues there is that not every state uses their LE agencies the same. In some states, the cities have not incorporated the entire county, so while the city cops have jurisdiction inside city limits, the Sheriff has jurisdiction within the unincorporated county lands.

Also, most states have a state highway patrol.  They have statewide jurisdiction, but will normally only be called in for local crimes if there's a conflict of jurisdictions or a cross-over to more than one.  Otherwise, they stick to the state and federal highways.

Here, each island is part of a county, and the cops are supposed to enforce laws in the entire county. Sheriff is organizationally part of the department of safety, and they are tasked with security at airports, courthouses, etc.  You won't see a Sheriff's Deputy being asked to respond to a 911 call ordinarily.

Having said that, Cops are usually pro-gun control because it can make their own jobs safer.  While the laws do nothing to stop criminals, the law-abiding man or woman interacting with a Cop will be unlikely to have a firearm in their car or holstered.

I'm not as sure the Chief is anti-2A, or if his on-the-job safety is being placed above the Constitutional rights of the people he serves.

Conflict of interest more than a political or personal position against the 2A.

If they are bitching about not having forms.... see the post from HiFiCO
https://www.facebook.com/hificoorg/photos/a.422936111527623/1343437962810762

Also, Andrew from HiFiCO got a Dear FuckFace email from HPD also telling him to essentially pound sand. Find it on Instagram

I wonder if the prerequisites for applying for police chief in the counties state that you must be anti-2a.

Some of the sheriffs on the mainland has balls the size of Mt. Everest.  They hold the constitution to heart and will defy all anti-2a government officials that get in the way of the 2nd amendment.

I bet these type of sheriffs applied for HPD chief and was immediately denied by the commission.

Hawaii being the puke-ass state that it is, will make it hard for law-abiding citizens to exercise their 2a rights. 

I stand ready to lend support in efforts to make sure the SCOTUS decision is honored, no matter how long it takes.

Many mainland Sheriff's are not appointed, but elected. We don't get to elect our Sheriff here.

I'm sure it's not on the app, but behind closed doors about denying CCW permits.  Even the Kauai Chief is from NV where the law forces their chief to issue CCW's. I state forces because he has not issued any on Kauai and he has the descresion to do so.  Which means if he had the option in Vegas, he would deny all. 

We are in the same boat with Logan now. He could easily begin issuing them, but he chooses the blame game.  Which is the typical MO when hard stuff needs to be dealt with by our leaders.

The Chief of police is a political position.  I already talked to a few patrol HPD and they never liked him and even used the word corrupt.  They all state the other guy was a better choice. IDk who they were referring to.

After seeing how Hawaii government operates, it's not just stalling.  Its incompetence.  Look at the rail, unemployment fiasco, building permits, just about everything in Hawaii takes forever.  Well except releasing criminals from jail, they do that pretty fast.

It's not just incompetence. While there can be no doubt that all government services in Hawaii are rife with gross incompetence, the overall strategy, as implemented by the power elite and their backers, is to destroy (aka "burn down") the system and replace it with one of their choosing and total control (aka "socialist/fascist authoritarianism"). Their denial of the exercise of the right enshrined by the Second Amendment is part of this strategy. It's not incompetence, it's evil.

It's not just incompetence.

I would say its corruption.



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I applaud your unwavering faith in the police of our state.
I pray they live up to it.
But I know they will fail you.
 

I agree with grov here. Everyone wants to be in a position of authority but noone wants to be responsible. We dont have any real leaders in our state. Seems like a bunch of puppets.

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"Let me just type that newly updated concealed carry permit on my invisible typewriter"

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Say “Aloha” to a requirement in Hawaii that a concealed carry permit applicant “show…reason to fear injury to the applicant’s person or property” in order to obtain a concealed carry license, according to a detailed opinion from State Attorney General Holly T. Shikada to Gov. David Y. Ige following the June 23 Supreme Court ruling in New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen.

I applaud your unwavering faith in the police of our state.
I pray they live up to it.
But I know they will fail you.
 

It isn't faith, its just where I am drawing a line. If I were a betting man I would bet we don't get them issued within a month or close to it.

Corruption doesn't mean you get paid. It can also mean you get to keep your job.

As for policies and procedures, they have been in place for years. How do you think they issued the other 4 permits over the last 20 years. HRS134-9 has the entire process and HPD has the forms to do it. If they are saying they need a procedure, they're full of shit.
Following that, I call bullshit on the need for a firearm to apply for a CCW permit. Nowhere in HRS134 or the ROH does it state that you can only have a specific firearm on the permit. Nowhere does it state you have to HAVE a firearm. People are going to go through a class or Hunters Ed and want to apply for a CCW and then go find a firearm they want to purchase. How many of us tried our friends or went and rented before we bought?  A firearm is an investment. Shelling out $500 to $1500 for a firearm is not an easy thing for most people.  It's the equivalent of having to go buy and register a car before you can get your Drivers License. What about people who come to work for just a couple of days every month (less than statutory 5 days for registration) but want to carry? I know several who do that as government contractors. If HPD can show in the HRS or the ROH where it states a specific firearm AND must be registered in Hawaii, then once again they are making up rules.

I must be missing something, did the chief say something about needing to own a firearm before applying for the CCW permit?

I must be missing something, did the chief say something about needing to own a firearm before applying for the CCW permit?

HPD is asking for a hard copy of the registration

I must be missing something, did the chief say something about needing to own a firearm before applying for the CCW permit?

According to the current CCW application, you have to already own and have a handgun registered in the state to be able to apply

HPD is asking for a hard copy of the registration

Can confirm. I brought mine with me to apply on day 1 because I assumed they’d wanna see it and I was correct

HPD is asking for a hard copy of the registration

Oh, strange. Nothing in the law states that the permit has to be tied to a particular pistol.
What if I am going to Ruth Chris but my CCW is only listed for my fast food joint pistol?

According to the current CCW application, you have to already own and have a handgun registered in the state to be able to apply

It's (obviously) unconstitutional (i.e. illegal, an infringement) for any government agency or agent to dictate which, if any, legally-possessed arm(s) a person chooses to bear in the exercise of their fundamental, individual, Constitutionally-protected/enumerated, inalienable God-given/natural civil right to keep and bear arms. I told them so on my application. Please join me.

Also: "This application is for 1. concealed carry of handguns; 2. unconcealed carry of handguns; 3. unconcealed carry of smooth bore long guns; 4. unconcealed carry of rifled bore long guns."

Please don't freely allow their illegal boxed-in a priori application assumptions to dictate your assertion of your rights. Otherwise you are assenting to their diktat that bearing arms is a government granted privilege, not a right at all.

They're not going to grant the average person that privilege anyway. Not for a long time.