Hawaii's AG response to Bruen (Read 17770 times)

changemyoil66

Re: Hawaii's AG response to Bruen
« Reply #60 on: July 14, 2022, 07:27:50 AM »
Chief on the radio says permits should be issued in the next 30 days. Im still not holding my breath.

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nickelzismoney

Re: Hawaii's AG response to Bruen
« Reply #61 on: July 14, 2022, 07:31:27 AM »
Chief on the radio says permits should be issued in the next 30 days. Im still not holding my breath.

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They better be. Getting real sick of state entities people being able to hamper a lawful right that is constitutionally protected
“No matter how much it hurts, how dark it gets, or how hard you fall… you are never out of the fight.” - Marcus Luttrel

"The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them without doing anything." - Albert Einstein

punaperson

Re: Hawaii's AG response to Bruen
« Reply #62 on: July 14, 2022, 07:37:50 AM »
Chief on the radio says permits should be issued in the next 30 days. Im still not holding my breath.

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Could you provide a link to the audio of that statement or more detail on where we might search for it?

"Should be"? You mean like "could be unless issues like a, b, c... x, y, and z arise and cause a slight delay"?

Thanks.

Gordyf

Re: Hawaii's AG response to Bruen
« Reply #63 on: July 14, 2022, 08:15:01 AM »
Watch what they DO, not what they say
Aloha
Gordy

changemyoil66

Re: Hawaii's AG response to Bruen
« Reply #64 on: July 14, 2022, 08:49:37 AM »
Could you provide a link to the audio of that statement or more detail on where we might search for it?

"Should be"? You mean like "could be unless issues like a, b, c... x, y, and z arise and cause a slight delay"?

Thanks.

Station KHVH. It takes the next day for the segment to be uploaded.  I did not hear it, but I know a guy who did and is listening carefully.

changemyoil66

Re: Hawaii's AG response to Bruen
« Reply #65 on: July 14, 2022, 08:50:22 AM »
Watch what they DO, not what they say


^^^This is why I'm not 100% confident. Maybe still 50/50. "We lack the machines and supplies (ink, paper, etc...) to make the volume of permits and they are on back order due to the supply shortage"

RSN172

Re: Hawaii's AG response to Bruen
« Reply #66 on: July 14, 2022, 09:05:18 AM »

^^^This is why I'm not 100% confident. Maybe still 50/50. "We lack the machines and supplies (ink, paper, etc...) to make the volume of permits and they are on back order due to the supply shortage"

Nah, no worry brah. Garans you gettum by da end of summer.

But don't quote me because I am probably wrong.
Happily living in Puna

changemyoil66

Re: Hawaii's AG response to Bruen
« Reply #67 on: July 14, 2022, 09:25:14 AM »
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1061-rick-hamada-28867030/episode/ask-the-chief-71422-99402329/

The 4 county chiefs are talking because they have to be consistent.

Logan (Oahu/HPD) at latest will sign off on CCW permits at the end of August.

I do give him credit, at no time did he state the anti 2a stuff like Ige and other politicians.

punaperson

Re: Hawaii's AG response to Bruen
« Reply #68 on: July 14, 2022, 09:46:42 AM »
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1061-rick-hamada-28867030/episode/ask-the-chief-71422-99402329/

The 4 county chiefs are talking because they have to be consistent.

Logan (Oahu/HPD) at latest will sign off on CCW permits at the end of August.

I do give him credit, at no time did he state the anti 2a stuff like Ige and other politicians.
Why would they have to be consistent? They are county officials, not state. They have always had different criteria for (not) issuing, including different application forms.

Not that it matters at all, but just seems curious, as it would have no basis in any (apparent) existing statutory requirement.

I will listen to the podcast later today... perhaps there is a clear explanation in there. haha.

nickelzismoney

Re: Hawaii's AG response to Bruen
« Reply #69 on: July 14, 2022, 09:53:09 AM »
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1061-rick-hamada-28867030/episode/ask-the-chief-71422-99402329/

The 4 county chiefs are talking because they have to be consistent.

Logan (Oahu/HPD) at latest will sign off on CCW permits at the end of August.

I do give him credit, at no time did he state the anti 2a stuff like Ige and other politicians.

Thanks for sharing the podcast. I’m currently listening. Logan seems to be well learned on how this stuff works and that he’s still learning, but he does seem to be less skewed of an opinion holder than most we’ve seen recently in Hawaii. He seems to be pretty genuine and I have not really heard anything showing an opinion of being anti-gun. Again, this is the first time I’m hearing him talk about this in detail. I’m hoping that he’s not just talking through his butt because he’s on air and in the lime light. I truly hope he’s sincere, and if he is, his words especially regarding CCW permits is just a tad more comforting. Lets hope he stays consistent and independent from the detrimental and negative opinions and actions of those who clearly don’t care about our rights/ wants that may or may not have some kind of “pull” in the state.
“No matter how much it hurts, how dark it gets, or how hard you fall… you are never out of the fight.” - Marcus Luttrel

"The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them without doing anything." - Albert Einstein

hvybarrels

Re: Hawaii's AG response to Bruen
« Reply #70 on: July 14, 2022, 09:57:01 AM »
Oh, strange. Nothing in the law states that the permit has to be tied to a particular pistol.
What if I am going to Ruth Chris but my CCW is only listed for my fast food joint pistol?

Ever try and pair a 1911 with boardshorts?

This is a great excuse to force us to run around with mouse guns.
Is an armadillo just a tactical opossum?

changemyoil66

Re: Hawaii's AG response to Bruen
« Reply #71 on: July 14, 2022, 10:17:42 AM »
Why would they have to be consistent? They are county officials, not state. They have always had different criteria for (not) issuing, including different application forms.

Not that it matters at all, but just seems curious, as it would have no basis in any (apparent) existing statutory requirement.

I will listen to the podcast later today... perhaps there is a clear explanation in there. haha.

I'm gonna assume since HRS134-9 is state law, the other counties have to abide by that first. Then if they have a separate county ordinance (ROH), they will work on that by themselves. We saw this with Tasers and Maui. Taser law passed (HRS), but Maui consul had to meet to change their ordinance. They got served a lawsuit which is what caused them to finally work on it in May 2022.  Even though Ige signed the bill in July 2021 and it took affect Jan 1st 2022.  Their consul is super anti 2a.  You should watch their meeting, it's on youtube.

changemyoil66

Re: Hawaii's AG response to Bruen
« Reply #72 on: July 14, 2022, 10:17:52 AM »
Ever try and pair a 1911 with boardshorts?

This is a great excuse to force us to run around with mouse guns.

Deagle.

Direjackalope

Re: Hawaii's AG response to Bruen
« Reply #73 on: July 14, 2022, 11:02:05 AM »
You can get different grip modules for a Sig p320 or Sig p365 or if you really want to test the limits you can apply with a Glock 19 and swap the slide for a Mechtech upper.

nickelzismoney

Re: Hawaii's AG response to Bruen
« Reply #74 on: July 14, 2022, 11:25:43 AM »
People who don’t carry full size are just scared  :closed: :shake: full size Glock and shorts and T-shirt for the sun 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫
“No matter how much it hurts, how dark it gets, or how hard you fall… you are never out of the fight.” - Marcus Luttrel

"The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them without doing anything." - Albert Einstein

groveler

Re: Hawaii's AG response to Bruen
« Reply #75 on: July 14, 2022, 09:04:26 PM »
One of the issues there is that not every state uses their LE agencies the same. In some states, the cities have not incorporated the entire county, so while the city cops have jurisdiction inside city limits, the Sheriff has jurisdiction within the unincorporated county lands.

Also, most states have a state highway patrol.  They have statewide jurisdiction, but will normally only be called in for local crimes if there's a conflict of jurisdictions or a cross-over to more than one.  Otherwise, they stick to the state and federal highways.

Here, each island is part of a county, and the cops are supposed to enforce laws in the entire county. Sheriff is organizationally part of the department of safety, and they are tasked with security at airports, courthouses, etc.  You won't see a Sheriff's Deputy being asked to respond to a 911 call ordinarily.

Having said that, Cops are usually pro-gun control because it can make their own jobs safer.  While the laws do nothing to stop criminals, the law-abiding man or woman interacting with a Cop will be unlikely to have a firearm in their car or holstered.

I'm not as sure the Chief is anti-2A, or if his on-the-job safety is being placed above the Constitutional rights of the people he serves.

Conflict of interest more than a political or personal position against the 2A.
I  can easily name ten jobs that are more dangerous than being a cop.
The only hard thing about being a cop is being polite to Democrats.
AND ignoring your moral ethics to get revenue for the state.
 >:D

Gordyf

Re: Hawaii's AG response to Bruen
« Reply #76 on: July 17, 2022, 05:54:57 PM »
The four county Chiefs are talking?
Is that not by definition collusion.
Keeping their stories straight?
Just thoughts
Aloha
Gordy

QUIETShooter

Re: Hawaii's AG response to Bruen
« Reply #77 on: July 17, 2022, 07:02:36 PM »
The four county Chiefs are talking?
Is that not by definition collusion.
Keeping their stories straight?
Just thoughts

Definitely could be the case but I'm hoping it's more of a constructive talk, making sure there is a standard protocol moving forward in incorporating the SCOTUS decision.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Rhed

Re: Hawaii's AG response to Bruen
« Reply #78 on: July 18, 2022, 12:00:08 PM »


Something’s said about the Young case

nickelzismoney

Re: Hawaii's AG response to Bruen
« Reply #79 on: July 18, 2022, 12:06:37 PM »
Finally SOMEONE exposes Hawaii on a massive public site 🥴😂😂😂
“No matter how much it hurts, how dark it gets, or how hard you fall… you are never out of the fight.” - Marcus Luttrel

"The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them without doing anything." - Albert Einstein