Of course, mixed in will be the liberal Karens that screech, point, and dial 911 on their iFags for no reason other than you exercising your right is intolerable to them.

I include all karens, snowflakes, etc. in the "stupid, ignorant, paranoid, buffoonish, or idiotically moronic".

The really stupid (pathetic, disgusting, criminal) thing is that the cops and other government agents side with them. So much for those oaths of office to support and defend the Constitution(s).

If this pisses you off then double your resolve. Blame yourself or blame no one.

You really can’t make up the bullshit the 👮‍♀️ give you.  If a NRA instructor is going to be held liable for any “mishaps” by someone
they gave a passing grade to, then the same should apply to driver license examiners. Outright lying bastards.

Any ideas on the requirement of a mental health form?

You really can’t make up the bullshit the 👮‍♀️ give you.  If a NRA instructor is going to be held liable for any “mishaps” by someone
they gave a passing grade to, then the same should apply to driver license examiners. Outright lying bastards.

Hawaii's LE seems to love to pass the buck as far as responsibility.  It's obvious that they are against armed citizens protecting themselves.

But that's too bad.  Tough shiite.  Be a professional and do your job.

Which is to vett potential gun permit applicants and issue permits to those who qualify.

All these mental health forms, and other bullsh*t forms to apply for gun permits are silly.  If you own a registered firearm in Hawaii you already jumped through all the hoops already.

They are just making things difficult.  And when the legislature convenes, they will think up other things.  Stall tactic, kicking the can down the road, dragging their feet, whatever you want to call it just ends up in the BULLSH*T bucket.

If this pisses you off then double your resolve. Blame yourself or blame no one.

Could you please clarify your comments?

Could you please give five (or more) specific concrete examples of actions that would indicate a person has "double[d] [their] resolve"?

Could you please explain, specifically and concretely, how any ordinary citizen of Hawaii is blameworthy (i.e. "responsible for") any or all of the laws, rules, regulations, etc. imposed by the state and/or counties on those citizens regarding the exercise of their Second Amendment-protected fundamental individual inalienable God-given/natural rights to keep and bear arms without infringement?

If you are "pisse[d] off" about the new carry regulations, or any other Hawaii firearms related laws, rules, regulations, etc., what have you done to "double your resolve"?

If you are not "pisse[d] off" about such laws, rules, and regulations, what is your emotional response to the new carry regulations and/or all the other Hawaii firearms regulations?

Are you claiming that you "blame yourself" for the new carry regulations? If so, in what way, exactly. If not, do you really claim that "no one" is responsible for those law, rules, and regulations?

Thank you for your clarifications.

Logan was on the radio and asked if his approving CCW's by the end of August which he stated multiple times is still accurate.  He said no. He said he cannot just change the requirements, there needs to be a public hearing, which will probably happen in Sept. So there is now no ETA on approvals. He did say that those who already applied will not have to reapply, but just add what ever is required. He also stated that he has not reviewed any apps.  As of yesterday he said there are 333 CCW applications.

So goal post moving at it's finest. This will go down as the great scewjob of 2022.  F

First Logan said he needs to wait for clarification. Then the AG completed this.
Then he said he needs to get all the other counties on the same page (Big Island already posted their CCW requirements via their Hawaii PD website)
Then he said he plans on approving at latest end of Aug (2 months after SCOTUS ruling and 6 weeks after AG memo about good moral character and exceptional circumstance)
Then comes end of Aug and he now says a public hearing needs to be held about the requirements.

I'll bet after this hearing, there will be additional hearing s and committees. And then he will state awaiting on Young being re-ruled.  Basically a stall tactic until the next legislative session, which I expect CA/NY type of law to be pushed thru.

So I state again, CORRUPTION!!!!!
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I think everyone is too focused on the test and less on this:
https://www.hawaiipolice.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/6.-License-to-Carry-Waiver-of-Liability-Form-082422.pdf

Yeah, that's some totally tyrannical commie secret police bullsh*t, BUT IT IS NOT NEW AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN A PART OF THE HPD CARRY APPLICATION.

Logan was on the radio and asked if his approving CCW's by the end of August which he stated multiple times is still accurate.  He said no. He said he cannot just change the requirements, there needs to be a public hearing, which will probably happen in Sept. So there is now no ETA on approvals. He did say that those who already applied will not have to reapply, but just add what ever is required. He also stated that he has not reviewed any apps.  As of yesterday he said there are 333 CCW applications.

So goal post moving at it's finest. This will go down as the great scewjob of 2022.  F

First Logan said he needs to wait for clarification. Then the AG completed this.
Then he said he needs to get all the other counties on the same page (Big Island already posted their CCW requirements via their Hawaii PD website)
Then he said he plans on approving at latest end of Aug (2 months after SCOTUS ruling and 6 weeks after AG memo about good moral character and exceptional circumstance)
Then comes end of Aug and he now says a public hearing needs to be held about the requirements.

I'll bet after this hearing, there will be additional hearing s and committees. And then he will state awaiting on Young being re-ruled.  Basically a stall tactic until the next legislative session, which I expect CA/NY type of law to be pushed thru.

So I state again, CORRUPTION!!!!!
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What a fucking piece of shit. Here I was waiting eagerly for well over a month to get my permit this week. Now that’s being taken. We need to end this corruption and end the careers of those appointed “over us”. We certainly didn’t have any say in the matter. This is bull shit. I knew I should’ve just automatically assumed he was lying to shut us up. He is a traitor to the Constitution. The fact that Maui has already issued a CCW permit and Big Island published their new CCW application process means that Logan is a tyrannical liar and is now without doubt stalling. I was hoping there was some chance to see that he would keep his word, but now I’m not even surprised and know he absolutely cannot be trusted.

Yeah, that's some totally tyrannical commie secret police bullsh*t, BUT IT IS NOT NEW AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN A PART OF THE HPD CARRY APPLICATION.

CA/NY style new requirement without stating a social media check.

Logan was on the radio and asked if his approving CCW's by the end of August which he stated multiple times is still accurate.  He said no. He said he cannot just change the requirements, there needs to be a public hearing, which will probably happen in Sept. So there is now no ETA on approvals. He did say that those who already applied will not have to reapply, but just add what ever is required. He also stated that he has not reviewed any apps.  As of yesterday he said there are 333 CCW applications.

So goal post moving at it's finest. This will go down as the great scewjob of 2022.  F

First Logan said he needs to wait for clarification. Then the AG completed this.
Then he said he needs to get all the other counties on the same page (Big Island already posted their CCW requirements via their Hawaii PD website)
Then he said he plans on approving at latest end of Aug (2 months after SCOTUS ruling and 6 weeks after AG memo about good moral character and exceptional circumstance)
Then comes end of Aug and he now says a public hearing needs to be held about the requirements.

I'll bet after this hearing, there will be additional hearing s and committees. And then he will state awaiting on Young being re-ruled.  Basically a stall tactic until the next legislative session, which I expect CA/NY type of law to be pushed thru.

So I state again, CORRUPTION!!!!!
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Gee, nobody saw that coming, right?! LOL! Hey, don't be too hard on the guy. He's just celebrating, in his own way, the glorious 30 year anniversary of one of law enforcement's brightest weeks, Ruby Ridge, where the lying sacks of sh*t FBI et al. law enforcement scum murdered people and dogs for no reason other than to intimidate and make an example for the rest of the uninfringed population who might not want to follow their arbitrary and capricious ludicrous "rules" ("That barrel has to be this many inches long... or we're gonna f*cking come hunt you down and kill your f*cking family"). Can't wait to see what this lying piece of sh*t comes up with to celebrate Waco.

What's happening now is very depressing.  Big let down.

But deep inside all of us, the possibility of BS, stalling, dragging their feet, whatever you want to call this, we knew this was a big possibility.

But we hoped for the best and we got steaming sh*t in return.

I bet most of us are not surprised.  We do, after all, live in Hawaii.

LOL, the best is Logan mentioning there needs to be a public hearing........LOL!!!

whatever you want to call this, we knew this was a big possibility  CERTAINTY.

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So, if the Big Island (Hawaii County) is already posting their procedures, are they violating the law that requires a public hearing?

The inconsistencies are glaring.

I think everyone is too focused on the test and less on this:
https://www.hawaiipolice.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/6.-License-to-Carry-Waiver-of-Liability-Form-082422.pdf

For those who didn't click or won't click:

"In order to permit the Hawai‘i Police Department, hereafter referred to as the “Department,” to make a thorough investigation of my background, family, personal habits, and reputation for the purpose of determining my fitness and suitability for a License to Carry a Firearm in the County of Hawai‘i: I, ___________________________________________, applicant, hereby release from liability and promise to hold harmless from any liability under any and all possible causes of legal action any and all persons that shall furnish any information or opinions regarding applicant’s background, family, personal habits or reputation in order to determine whether applicant is able to meet the qualifications to carry a firearm in the County of Hawai‘i."

So, if the Big Island (Hawaii County) is already posting their procedures, are they violating the law that requires a public hearing?

The inconsistencies are glaring.

I wanna see the public hearing part where someone (public or member) asks "How can a requirement for a license be something that doesn't exist?" (i.e. there is no NRA (nor "state certified") CCW live fire class in Hawaii... at the time they published the criteria/applications). You're gonna hear some real commie doublespeak in response to that.

What is a public hearing going to do?

Can a public hearing that shows majority opposition to the subject on hand overturn a SCOTUS decision?

Logan wants a public hearing knowing damn well a whole sh*tload of KARENS will show up, along with the Kumbaya brigade.

One issue I'm still wondering if it's legal is the county restriction on CC licenses.

If issued in Honolulu County, you can only carry in that county.  You have to apply in your county of residence.  That leaves no option for carrying on neighbor islands.

Every other state I know of that had restrictions in a given county were overturned.  If the license is issued by the county, it is a statewide license.  Limiting to a county is no different than limiting a New Yorker from carrying outside Manhattan.  The "sensitive places" limits must be based on reasonable, historical assessment: schools, banks, federal buildings, courthouses, etc.  To say "All neighbor islands are off limits" is too broad.

This limitation needs to be challenged.  Otherwise, taking a vacation or business trip to another island effectively disarms you for that timeframe.

What is a public hearing going to do?

Can a public hearing that shows majority opposition to the subject on hand overturn a SCOTUS decision?

Logan wants a public hearing knowing damn well a whole sh*tload of KARENS will show up, along with the Kumbaya brigade.

Did Logan state specifically under what legal authority a "hearing" is required? Or is he just making sh*t up again?

It will certainly be a preview of the legislative agenda to follow, including delineating exactly where bearing arms will be allowed, and NOT allowed. My guess: bearing arms will be allowed in approximately 2% of the land mass of Hawaii. That seems like the typical common sense gun safety policy and would not be an infringement of a God-given natural right because no right is absolute.