Am I the only one that is paranoid about KHSC being closed to everything except .22 LR?

Nobody will be able to train with their pistols unless they plan to carry .22 LR.

I was planning to pocket carry but to do the test there is no way I can pass it with pocket carry.

Looks like the older, retired citizens will have to train more to meet that test. (Like me).

So am I going to be arrested if I end up pocket carrying instead of complying with a level 2 holster?

I’m always paranoid about gun stuff tbh

They are figuring most people not going be able to drsw from concealment and get 2 shots on target in 2 seconds or less.

Also notice the striking absence of any mention at all of the target size for any of the distances ("courses of fire"). Side of a barn? Postage stamp? Or is everyone in the world of "shooting" in total agreement on what size those targets are?

Good thing it's all "should". Will the instructors be intimidated enough to "comply"?

Also notice the striking absence of any mention at all of the target size for any of the distances ("courses of fire"). Side of a barn? Postage stamp? Or is everyone in the world of "shooting" in total agreement on what size those targets are?

Good thing it's all "should". Will the instructors be intimidated enough to "comply"?

I noticed that, and was suspecting/thinking that will be left to the discretion of the instructor or trainer administering the qualification.  Thereby transferring some liability or other ownership of responsibility. 

It comes off as a "recommendation", but is a backdoor requirement and room for discretionary rejection. . . at least my thoughts on what I've seen.  Hope I'm wrong, but. . .

next thing the city and county will do is in order to get a driver's license, you'll need to qualify on a Formula 1 sanctioned race track, timed.  and you'll need R comp tires
also do-able, and also un-necessary

next thing the city and county will do is in order to get a driver's license, you'll need to qualify on a Formula 1 sanctioned race track, timed.  and you'll need R comp tires
also do-able, and also un-necessary

And here I thought you'd be more of a NASCAR fella. . .

Chevys and Yotas are having a lot of success this season. . .   

And here I thought you'd be more of a NASCAR fella. . .

Chevys and Yotas are having a lot of success this season. . .   

I'm actually NHRA guy.  I have short attention span 
and IMSA. where the cars are more like you would buy from the factory, almost

Dunno why, but I keep getting these reoccurring dreams about a 3D printer and a metal lathe.

I noticed that, and was suspecting/thinking that will be left to the discretion of the instructor or trainer administering the qualification.  Thereby transferring some liability or other ownership of responsibility. 
It comes off as a "recommendation", but is a backdoor requirement and room for discretionary rejection. . . at least my thoughts on what I've seen.  Hope I'm wrong, but. . .

More like a backdoor requirement with room for a discretionary "erection" 

    I wonder how many of those already legit to carry (LEO, Security Guards, Personal Security etc..)  can pass this test, even w/o clearing garment.

   And what about physically disabled/challenged ?
In my current condition, firing with weak hand is out of the question due to an injury that severed the nerves.

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   And what about physically disabled/challenged ?
In my current condition, firing with weak hand is out of the question due to an injury that severed the nerves.

"Tough sh*t man. That's your problem. You either jump through ALL the hoops in front of you or you remain in the group of (all) Hawaii residents who legitimately have been denied their Constitutionally-protected rights. Too bad for you. We're really sad."

These people are evil (though I suspect most are merely useful idiots). Facts and logic are completely irrelevant to them.

I noticed that, and was suspecting/thinking that will be left to the discretion of the instructor or trainer administering the qualification.  Thereby transferring some liability or other ownership of responsibility. 

It comes off as a "recommendation", but is a backdoor requirement and room for discretionary rejection. . . at least my thoughts on what I've seen.  Hope I'm wrong, but. . .

THeir wording states "should consist of" which to me means it's suggested, but not required.

Is this test ADA or elderly compliant? What if someone wants to CC a single shot pistol like a Derenger, can they reload in 2 seconds and fire the 2nd shot?  I think not. So there are many issues with this posted requirement.

The NV qual is 3;5 and 7 yards with zero time limit and you can use any caliber gun, as their permits are valid for any handgun. They used to be handgun specific (blue cards), but did away with them like 8 years ago.

   And what about physically disabled/challenged ?
In my current condition, firing with weak hand is out of the question due to an injury that severed the nerves.

I hope you come and testify on Oct 4th. We need all people who requirements will affect.

"Tough sh*t man. That's your problem. You either jump through ALL the hoops in front of you or you remain in the group of (all) Hawaii residents who legitimately have been denied their Constitutionally-protected rights. Too bad for you. We're really sad."

These people are evil (though I suspect most are merely useful idiots). Facts and logic are completely irrelevant to them.

Discriminating against the disabled ? 

Discriminating against the disabled ? 

Yes they are. The ignore the bill of rights, so they have no problem screwing other classes of people.

I'm actually NHRA guy.  I have short attention span 
and IMSA. where the cars are more like you would buy from the factory, almost

Growing up, a neighbor down the street had a dragster.  Believe they still do, but don't see the car at the house anymore.  But sometimes they would run engine tests and could hear the roar of that engine up and down the whole street. 

I've watched IMSA, or what I think was.  Where they had multiple different classes of cars on the same track at the same time.  Was interesting with multiple races going on. 

More like a backdoor requirement with room for a discretionary "erection" 

    I wonder how many of those already legit to carry (LEO, Security Guards, Personal Security etc..)  can pass this test, even w/o clearing garment.

   And what about physically disabled/challenged ?
In my current condition, firing with weak hand is out of the question due to an injury that severed the nerves.

You and your imagination.

And physical capabilities was another aspect that I was thinking about.  Where that could be up to discretion of the instructor to determine capability.  How to test discretion?   

THeir wording states "should consist of" which to me means it's suggested, but not required.

Is this test ADA or elderly compliant? What if someone wants to CC a single shot pistol like a Derenger, can they reload in 2 seconds and fire the 2nd shot?  I think not. So there are many issues with this posted requirement.

The NV qual is 3;5 and 7 yards with zero time limit and you can use any caliber gun, as their permits are valid for any handgun. They used to be handgun specific (blue cards), but did away with them like 8 years ago.

Yeah, what I noted above. But it also leaves open for acceptance of "instructor sign off". 

The from cover part made me go :hmm:

This legally blind guy would have been murdered if he had to pass the proposed Hawaii qualifications

https://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/police-legally-blind-tampa-man-shoots-nephew-in-self-defense/2194530/

Discriminating against the disabled ? 

And our kupuna.  Who gets preyed upon the most by criminals?  The dude who looks like he can bench press a Hemi engine or the 68 year old tata, obasan, or gmaw?  Criminals are only going to learn when their “prey” claps them with the .38 they keep in their purse.

More like a backdoor requirement with room for a discretionary "erection" 

    I wonder how many of those already legit to carry (LEO, Security Guards, Personal Security etc..)  can pass this test, even w/o clearing garment.

   And what about physically disabled/challenged ?
In my current condition, firing with weak hand is out of the question due to an injury that severed the nerves.

I've never fired out of my weak hand.  I'd bet a lot of people contemplating CCW carry haven't fired from their weak hand.

We're not commandos.  We are everyday citizens wanting to protect ourselves and our loved ones.  Guess we gotta go train now with weak hand now just to make these asshats happy.

Oh and how the f**k are we supposed to do that?  They put all these "standards" we have to meet, yet KHSC's rules and regulations prohibit and bans these types of training.

F**kn  A$$h*les.

I've never fired out of my weak hand.  I'd bet a lot of people contemplating CCW carry haven't fired from their weak hand.

We're not commandos.  We are everyday citizens wanting to protect ourselves and our loved ones.  Guess we gotta go train now with weak hand now just to make these asshats happy.

Oh and how the f**k are we supposed to do that?  They put all these "standards" we have to meet, yet KHSC's rules and regulations prohibit and bans these types of training.

F**kn  A$$h*les.

In the Air Force, back when "small arms for officers" meant "really difficult to grip .38 revolvers" ( ), we went through strong & weak side barricade, single and double hand grip, strong & weak handed grip, and standing/prone positions.

There's nothing wrong with adding these variations to your training regimen, because just standing still and repeating the same drill every visit can get old.

In a defensive situation, the only thing you can expect is that nothing will go as expected.

Having said that, if they are testing for proficiency, it should be a straight-forward "normal situation" test.  Otherwise, they are just trying to fail people who have little to no experience with firearms other than the basics.