Hurry up with those permits Chief (Read 101120 times)

96707

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #540 on: October 21, 2022, 09:07:06 AM »
The city follows up pretty regularly with my submissions. I have not been blocked yet. The App allows you to add photos of the issue you are reporting. The only feel good thing the city is doing is makijg people feel like they have a voice with  the fake meetings for the Chiefs proposed ccw requirements.  People need something to do for the next 8 months while these CCW requirements get sorted out. Ok, back to Type 2 holster convos.

changemyoil66

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #541 on: October 21, 2022, 09:14:23 AM »
I am on their security list. I spoke to a staffer once and she mentioned my name sounded familiar. She let it slip she saw my name on the security list. She cut off right after "Oh, I know where I saw your name. It was on our securit......I'll pass your concern on to the senator/rep".

rpoL98

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #542 on: October 21, 2022, 03:30:53 PM »
I am on their security list. I spoke to a staffer once and she mentioned my name sounded familiar. She let it slip she saw my name on the security list. She cut off right after "Oh, I know where I saw your name. It was on our securit......I'll pass your concern on to the senator/rep".
wow, does that mean you're one step away from being politically red-flagged for wrong-think?

changemyoil66

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #543 on: October 21, 2022, 04:20:28 PM »
wow, does that mean you're one step away from being politically red-flagged for wrong-think?
Politicians cannot use red flag law.

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #544 on: October 21, 2022, 04:23:59 PM »
Politicians cannot use red flag law.

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I bet they have staffers who know somebody who knows somebody ...
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

punaperson

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #545 on: October 22, 2022, 07:14:40 AM »
I bet they have staffers who know somebody who knows somebody ...
I'm not saying you don't have a right to your opinion.  It would be nice, though, if the opinion was based less on emotion and unfounded smears.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #546 on: October 22, 2022, 12:57:20 PM »
I bet they have staffers who know somebody who knows somebody ...

I'm not saying you don't have a right to your opinion.  It would be nice, though, if the opinion was based less on emotion and unfounded smears.

#SarcasmIsHard
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

aletheuo137

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #547 on: October 28, 2022, 06:30:24 AM »
So... is he is going to start issuing permits?!?!

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QUIETShooter

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #548 on: October 28, 2022, 06:43:40 AM »
So... is he is going to start issuing permits?!?!

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In my opinion he, the commission, and the state of Hawaii is doing their darndest not to.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

aletheuo137

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #549 on: October 28, 2022, 07:23:00 AM »
In my opinion he, the commission, and the state of Hawaii is doing their darndest not to.
Not a man of his word. Two strikes!

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Rocky

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #550 on: October 28, 2022, 08:55:31 AM »
So... is he is going to start issuing permits?!?!
Don't be so sarcastic, of course he is.  :thumbsup:

   All ya gotta do is....


§15-21 Application procedures for License to Carry Firearm, concealed or unconcealed. (a) Every applicant shall have a mailing address in Hawaii other than a Post Office box and be 21 years of age or older, and shall submit:
(1) The completed Honolulu Police Department Application for License to Carry Concealed Firearm or License to Carry Unconcealed Firearm, including any and all forms designated by the Honolulu Police Department to implement Sections 134-7 and 134-9, Hawaii Revised Statutes, and these rules.
(2) A copy of the signed State of Hawaii Firearms Registration, registered in the applicant’s name, for the handgun to be carried by the applicant if the applicant receives a License.
(3) The completed and signed medical information waiver, including any forms required by the applicant’s health care provider for release of medical information.
(4) The completed and signed State of Hawaii, Adult Mental Health Division Authorization for Use or Disclosure of Protected Health Information form.
(5) The completed and signed State of Hawaii Permit to Acquire Firearms Application Questionnaire.
(6) Valid government-issued photo identification.
(7) Documentation that the applicant has completed a firearms training or safety course that satisfies the requirements of section 134-2(g)(4), as set forth in section 15-20(b).
(8) A notarized affidavit from the instructor of the firearm certification program ( which does not exist at this time) set forth in section 15-20(c), attesting to the following:
(A) The applicant’s legal name;
(B) The instructor’s name and contact information;
(C) The applicant’s score on the written examination; ( which does not exist at this time)
(D) The applicant’s score on the shooting proficiency test;
(E) The date and time the applicant completed the program;
(F) The location of the program;
(G) The firearm used by the applicant to complete the program; and
(H) The holster used by the applicant, which shall be Type 2 or above. ( which does not exist at this time)
(9) One United States passport-sized, front-facing photo of the applicant;
(10) If the applicant has lived outside of Hawaii for more than 60 days within the last five years, documentation as set forth in subsection (b).
(11) A non-refundable fee of $10.00, or, if higher, the maximum amount permitted by State law for the License and any background check or other processing fees.
(12) Any other forms prescribed by the Department of the Attorney General or the Honolulu Police Department required to complete the background check and mental health screening required by law. ( which does not exist at this time)
(b) Every applicant who lived outside of Hawaii for more than 60 days within the last five years shall provide mental health information as follows:
(1) Mental health records from the health department of every state, province, or equivalent governmental unit where the applicant lived for more than 60 days within the previous five years, to be sent directly to the Honolulu Police Department from the governmental entity. Applicants who, within the previous five years, were stationed outside the United States due to federal government
service shall have mental health records sent to the Honolulu Police Department from the relevant federal governmental entity, but need not obtain records from the foreign government; or
(2) Certification from a physician, psychologist, or psychiatrist, licensed to practice in Hawaii and completed no earlier than 90 days before submission of the
application, attesting to the applicant’s mental fitness to carry a firearm, provided that the physician, psychologist, or psychiatrist shall personally evaluate the applicant for no less than 45 minutes before so attesting.
(c) Every applicant shall certify that, when the firearm is carried on the applicant’s person, the firearm shall be carried using a Type 2 or higher holster. ( which does not exist at this time)
(d) This section shall not apply to Private Detectives, Detectives, Investigators, and Guards, who shall follow the procedures set forth in section 15-19. [Eff and comp ] (Auth: HRS § 134-9; RCH § 6-1604(d)) (Imp: HRS § 134-9)
§15-22 Initial review of application by Firearms Unit; background checks.
(a) An application is not deemed received by the Honolulu Police Department until the complete application, including all required forms ( which does not exist at this time)  and information, is received by the Honolulu Police Department. The Firearms Unit shall not take further action on an incomplete application except as set forth in subsection (b). Incomplete applications shall be deemed to have been denied on
the 90th day following submission by the applicant, measured from the date of the latest submission by the applicant.
(b) Firearms Unit personnel shall review the application for completeness. If an application is incomplete, Firearms Unit personnel shall advise the applicant as to what information or items are missing, as follows:
(1) If the applicant is present, Firearms Unit personnel shall advise the applicant verbally. If the applicant provides the missing information and the application is deemed complete, Firearms Unit personnel shall proceed with processing the application. If the applicant does not provide the missing information upon being advised verbally by Firearms Unit personnel, Firearms Unit personnel shall document the verbal guidance given.
(2) If the applicant is not present, Firearms Unit personnel shall advise the applicant in writing.
(c) If the Firearms Unit deems the application to be complete, the Honolulu Police Department shall conduct the following background checks on the applicant:
(1) Local police involvements (current and archive records management systems).
(2) State of Hawaii – Electronic Bench Warrant (EBW) search.
(3) CJIS Hawaii query – for Hawaii arrest history and disposition information.
(4) National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) which includes:
(A) National Crime Information Center (NCIC) warrants.
(B) Interstate Identification Index (III) – a national index of criminal histories.
(C) NICS index – index of persons not eligible to receive firearms in the U.S.
(D) Immigration and Customs Enforcement databases – regarding whether the applicant is a citizen, a national, or a lawful permanent resident of the United States.
(E) A query of the State of Hawaii Adult Mental Health Divisions files for State of Hawaii mental health records.
(F) A query of Hawaii’s medical marijuana cardholder database to discern whether the applicant holds a medical marijuana permit (see U.S. Department of Justice, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, “Open letter to all federal firearms licensees,” Sept. 21, 2011).
(G) JIMS, eCourt Kokua, Ho‘ohiki, or other comparable Hawaii Judiciary databases, for State court orders and records.
(H) Any other databases required by law.
(5) Review of mental health records from other jurisdictions, or attestation from physician, psychologist, or psychiatrist, pursuant to section 15-21(b).
(d) More than one person may receive a License to carry a single firearm – such as when spouses share a firearm – provided that each person shall have a License for each firearm
 to be carried.
(e) Unless the application materials demonstrate, clearly and on their face, that an applicant cannot meet the eligibility criteria set forth in these regulations, each applicant shall be
entitled to an interview with Firearms Unit personnel to present any additional information.
Upon request by the applicant, Firearms Unit personnel shall conduct the interview by telephone or by video conference, as chosen by the applicant; alternatively, Firearms Unit personnel may
conduct the interview in person upon the request of the applicant and at the discretion ofFirearms Unit personnel. [Eff and comp ] (Auth: HRS § 134-9; RCH
§ 6-1604(d)) (Imp: HRS § 134-9)

Ya get the point  :grrr:

§15-23 Standards for issuance of License to Carry Concealed Firearm. The Chief
shall be guided by the following standards in determining whether to grant or deny an
application for a License:
(1) Pursuant to Section 134-9(b), Hawaii Revised Statutes, an applicant for a License
shall “[a]ppear to be a suitable person to be so licensed.” Being “a suitable
person” means that the applicant does not exhibit specific and articulable indicia
that would objectively indicate to a reasonable observer that the applicant poses a
heightened risk to public safety. The Chief may apply the following objective
factors when determining whether an applicant displays specific and articulable
indicia that the applicant poses a heightened risk to public safety such that the
applicant is not “a suitable person to be so licensed”:
(A) Whether the applicant has been involved in any incidents of alleged
domestic violence within the ten years preceding the application;
(B) Whether the applicant has been involved in any incidents of careless
handling, storage, or carrying of a firearm within the ten years preceding
the application;
(C) Whether the applicant has been involved in incidents of alcohol or drug
abuse, including but not limited to operating a vehicle under the influence
of an intoxicant, within the ten years preceding the application; or
(D) Whether the applicant has been involved in other violent conduct within
the ten years preceding the application.
(2) Pursuant to Sections 134-7 and 134-9(b), Hawaii Revised Statutes, an applicant
for a License shall “[n]ot have been adjudged insane or not appear to be mentally
deranged.” Being a person who does “not appear to be mentally deranged” means
that the applicant does not exhibit specific and articulable indicia that would
objectively indicate to a reasonable observer that the applicant is not capable of
being a suitable, responsible, and law-abiding user of firearms. Such specific and
articulable indicia may include suicidal ideations, homicidal ideations, or
potential dangerousness, including a violent animus towards one or more groups
based on race, color, national origin, ancestry, sex, gender identity, gender
expression, sexual orientation, age, disability, religion, or other characteristic,
such that a reasonable person would conclude that the applicant harbored an
intention to use a firearm in public to attack others rather than for self-defense.
The Chief may consider the information provided as part of the application, as
well as any other information available to the Honolulu Police Department or the
general public, in determining whether an applicant displays such specific and
articulable indicia. [Eff and comp ] (Auth: HRS § 134-9;
RCH § 6-1604(d)) (Imp: HRS § 134-9)
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt

changemyoil66

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #551 on: October 28, 2022, 08:56:23 AM »
Fool me once...Shame on me.  Fool me twice...shame on you or umm.. You can't get fooled again.

aletheuo137

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #552 on: October 28, 2022, 09:09:57 AM »


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QUIETShooter

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #553 on: October 28, 2022, 09:20:56 AM »
Don't be so sarcastic, of course he is.  :thumbsup:

   All ya gotta do is....


§15-21 Application procedures for License to Carry Firearm, concealed or unconcealed. (a) Every applicant shall have a mailing address in Hawaii other than a Post Office box and be 21 years of age or older, and shall submit:
(1) The completed Honolulu Police Department Application for License to Carry Concealed Firearm or License to Carry Unconcealed Firearm, including any and all forms designated by the Honolulu Police Department to implement Sections 134-7 and 134-9, Hawaii Revised Statutes, and these rules.
(2) A copy of the signed State of Hawaii Firearms Registration, registered in the applicant’s name, for the handgun to be carried by the applicant if the applicant receives a License.
(3) The completed and signed medical information waiver, including any forms required by the applicant’s health care provider for release of medical information.
(4) The completed and signed State of Hawaii, Adult Mental Health Division Authorization for Use or Disclosure of Protected Health Information form.
(5) The completed and signed State of Hawaii Permit to Acquire Firearms Application Questionnaire.
(6) Valid government-issued photo identification.
(7) Documentation that the applicant has completed a firearms training or safety course that satisfies the requirements of section 134-2(g)(4), as set forth in section 15-20(b).
(8) A notarized affidavit from the instructor of the firearm certification program ( which does not exist at this time) set forth in section 15-20(c), attesting to the following:
(A) The applicant’s legal name;
(B) The instructor’s name and contact information;
(C) The applicant’s score on the written examination; ( which does not exist at this time)
(D) The applicant’s score on the shooting proficiency test;
(E) The date and time the applicant completed the program;
(F) The location of the program;
(G) The firearm used by the applicant to complete the program; and
(H) The holster used by the applicant, which shall be Type 2 or above. ( which does not exist at this time)
(9) One United States passport-sized, front-facing photo of the applicant;
(10) If the applicant has lived outside of Hawaii for more than 60 days within the last five years, documentation as set forth in subsection (b).
(11) A non-refundable fee of $10.00, or, if higher, the maximum amount permitted by State law for the License and any background check or other processing fees.
(12) Any other forms prescribed by the Department of the Attorney General or the Honolulu Police Department required to complete the background check and mental health screening required by law. ( which does not exist at this time)
(b) Every applicant who lived outside of Hawaii for more than 60 days within the last five years shall provide mental health information as follows:
(1) Mental health records from the health department of every state, province, or equivalent governmental unit where the applicant lived for more than 60 days within the previous five years, to be sent directly to the Honolulu Police Department from the governmental entity. Applicants who, within the previous five years, were stationed outside the United States due to federal government
service shall have mental health records sent to the Honolulu Police Department from the relevant federal governmental entity, but need not obtain records from the foreign government; or
(2) Certification from a physician, psychologist, or psychiatrist, licensed to practice in Hawaii and completed no earlier than 90 days before submission of the
application, attesting to the applicant’s mental fitness to carry a firearm, provided that the physician, psychologist, or psychiatrist shall personally evaluate the applicant for no less than 45 minutes before so attesting.
(c) Every applicant shall certify that, when the firearm is carried on the applicant’s person, the firearm shall be carried using a Type 2 or higher holster. ( which does not exist at this time)
(d) This section shall not apply to Private Detectives, Detectives, Investigators, and Guards, who shall follow the procedures set forth in section 15-19. [Eff and comp ] (Auth: HRS § 134-9; RCH § 6-1604(d)) (Imp: HRS § 134-9)
§15-22 Initial review of application by Firearms Unit; background checks.
(a) An application is not deemed received by the Honolulu Police Department until the complete application, including all required forms ( which does not exist at this time)  and information, is received by the Honolulu Police Department. The Firearms Unit shall not take further action on an incomplete application except as set forth in subsection (b). Incomplete applications shall be deemed to have been denied on
the 90th day following submission by the applicant, measured from the date of the latest submission by the applicant.
(b) Firearms Unit personnel shall review the application for completeness. If an application is incomplete, Firearms Unit personnel shall advise the applicant as to what information or items are missing, as follows:
(1) If the applicant is present, Firearms Unit personnel shall advise the applicant verbally. If the applicant provides the missing information and the application is deemed complete, Firearms Unit personnel shall proceed with processing the application. If the applicant does not provide the missing information upon being advised verbally by Firearms Unit personnel, Firearms Unit personnel shall document the verbal guidance given.
(2) If the applicant is not present, Firearms Unit personnel shall advise the applicant in writing.
(c) If the Firearms Unit deems the application to be complete, the Honolulu Police Department shall conduct the following background checks on the applicant:
(1) Local police involvements (current and archive records management systems).
(2) State of Hawaii – Electronic Bench Warrant (EBW) search.
(3) CJIS Hawaii query – for Hawaii arrest history and disposition information.
(4) National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) which includes:
(A) National Crime Information Center (NCIC) warrants.
(B) Interstate Identification Index (III) – a national index of criminal histories.
(C) NICS index – index of persons not eligible to receive firearms in the U.S.
(D) Immigration and Customs Enforcement databases – regarding whether the applicant is a citizen, a national, or a lawful permanent resident of the United States.
(E) A query of the State of Hawaii Adult Mental Health Divisions files for State of Hawaii mental health records.
(F) A query of Hawaii’s medical marijuana cardholder database to discern whether the applicant holds a medical marijuana permit (see U.S. Department of Justice, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, “Open letter to all federal firearms licensees,” Sept. 21, 2011).
(G) JIMS, eCourt Kokua, Ho‘ohiki, or other comparable Hawaii Judiciary databases, for State court orders and records.
(H) Any other databases required by law.
(5) Review of mental health records from other jurisdictions, or attestation from physician, psychologist, or psychiatrist, pursuant to section 15-21(b).
(d) More than one person may receive a License to carry a single firearm – such as when spouses share a firearm – provided that each person shall have a License for each firearm
 to be carried.
(e) Unless the application materials demonstrate, clearly and on their face, that an applicant cannot meet the eligibility criteria set forth in these regulations, each applicant shall be
entitled to an interview with Firearms Unit personnel to present any additional information.
Upon request by the applicant, Firearms Unit personnel shall conduct the interview by telephone or by video conference, as chosen by the applicant; alternatively, Firearms Unit personnel may
conduct the interview in person upon the request of the applicant and at the discretion ofFirearms Unit personnel. [Eff and comp ] (Auth: HRS § 134-9; RCH
§ 6-1604(d)) (Imp: HRS § 134-9)

Ya get the point  :grrr:

§15-23 Standards for issuance of License to Carry Concealed Firearm. The Chief
shall be guided by the following standards in determining whether to grant or deny an
application for a License:
(1) Pursuant to Section 134-9(b), Hawaii Revised Statutes, an applicant for a License
shall “[a]ppear to be a suitable person to be so licensed.” Being “a suitable
person” means that the applicant does not exhibit specific and articulable indicia
that would objectively indicate to a reasonable observer that the applicant poses a
heightened risk to public safety. The Chief may apply the following objective
factors when determining whether an applicant displays specific and articulable
indicia that the applicant poses a heightened risk to public safety such that the
applicant is not “a suitable person to be so licensed”:
(A) Whether the applicant has been involved in any incidents of alleged
domestic violence within the ten years preceding the application;
(B) Whether the applicant has been involved in any incidents of careless
handling, storage, or carrying of a firearm within the ten years preceding
the application;
(C) Whether the applicant has been involved in incidents of alcohol or drug
abuse, including but not limited to operating a vehicle under the influence
of an intoxicant, within the ten years preceding the application; or
(D) Whether the applicant has been involved in other violent conduct within
the ten years preceding the application.
(2) Pursuant to Sections 134-7 and 134-9(b), Hawaii Revised Statutes, an applicant
for a License shall “[n]ot have been adjudged insane or not appear to be mentally
deranged.” Being a person who does “not appear to be mentally deranged” means
that the applicant does not exhibit specific and articulable indicia that would
objectively indicate to a reasonable observer that the applicant is not capable of
being a suitable, responsible, and law-abiding user of firearms. Such specific and
articulable indicia may include suicidal ideations, homicidal ideations, or
potential dangerousness, including a violent animus towards one or more groups
based on race, color, national origin, ancestry, sex, gender identity, gender
expression, sexual orientation, age, disability, religion, or other characteristic,
such that a reasonable person would conclude that the applicant harbored an
intention to use a firearm in public to attack others rather than for self-defense.
The Chief may consider the information provided as part of the application, as
well as any other information available to the Honolulu Police Department or the
general public, in determining whether an applicant displays such specific and
articulable indicia. [Eff and comp ] (Auth: HRS § 134-9;
RCH § 6-1604(d)) (Imp: HRS § 134-9)

Is that all?  Oh shiite, what da hell was I complaining about?  Easy, peasy!  For a while there I thought our illustrious Chief, the wonderful police commission, and our benevolent state AG and politicians were being f**kn dicks.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

aletheuo137

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #554 on: October 28, 2022, 11:21:30 AM »
Is that all?  Oh shiite, what da hell was I complaining about?  Easy, peasy!  For a while there I thought our illustrious Chief, the wonderful police commission, and our benevolent state AG and politicians were being f**kn dicks.
There's your sarcasm!

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surfmaster

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #555 on: November 02, 2022, 10:36:59 AM »

Hawaii County has issued 19 concealed carry permits.

How about for Oahu? It's already November.

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2022/11/02/hawaii-county-issues-19-concealed-carry-licenses-since-scotus-ruling-easing-gun-rules/

zippz

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #556 on: November 02, 2022, 10:58:14 AM »
(H) The holster used by the applicant, which shall be Type 2 or above. ( which does not exist at this time)

The requirement for a type 2 holster was removed from Rule 15 due to our testimonies.

hvybarrels

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #557 on: November 02, 2022, 11:00:59 AM »
I'm not saying you don't have a right to your opinion.  It would be nice, though, if the opinion was based less on emotion and unfounded smears.

The FBI is doing armed raids of peaceful abortion protestors and anyone even remotely associated with Trump. Hundreds of Jan 6 protestors who committed no violent or destructive acts and are clearly not a danger to society remain locked up to this day without trial.

That’s not emotion and unfounded smears. That’s law enforcement hijacked by politicians, which is exactly the scenario Flapp was referring to.

I’m starting to believe that the whole point of the Honolulu “public comment” session was to put our names on a domestic terror list

But don’t take my word for it

Quote
The March assessment concluded that the militia violent extremist threat, which it describes as those who “take overt steps to violently resist or facilitate the overthrow of the United States Government in support of their belief that the United States Government is purportedly exceeding its Constitutional authority,” also “increased last year and . . . will almost certainly continue to be elevated throughout 2021.

Quote
The Department of Health and Human Services will work with the Departments of Education, Homeland Security, and Justice to develop a website that aggregates and publicizes information on federal resources – including grants, training, and technical assistance – that can assist state and local authorities and the general public in identifying the resources they need to implement their own counter domestic terrorism programs.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/speech/attorney-general-merrick-b-garland-remarks-domestic-terrorism-policy-address

I’m becoming clinically undepressed and thinking about beginning it all.

changemyoil66

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #558 on: November 02, 2022, 11:13:12 AM »
So Chief lied again when he stated he planned on approving permits in Oct. He said the same in August as well.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #559 on: November 02, 2022, 11:43:43 AM »
So Chief lied again when he stated he planned on approving permits in Oct. He said the same in August as well.

I checked today, and the Rules on the HPD website haven't been updated.

Are they planning to post the revised Rules and allow for public comment again? 
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw