US Congress House H.R. 1808 Assault Rifle Ban (Read 5992 times)

destroyer

US Congress House H.R. 1808 Assault Rifle Ban
« on: July 27, 2022, 10:59:35 AM »
Hi,
I got an email from big daddy unlimited this morning saying the US Congress House is looking at an Assault Rifle Ban and 15 round magazine limit. H.R. 1808
I Immediately called Kai Kahele's office and left a message that I oppose the bill. I also sent a message through his website kahele.house.gov
Please get the message out and encourage everyone to do the same.
This is the message I sent.

Aloha Kai,
I am against the assault weapons ban Bill, H.R. 1808
I think I saw that you are a co-sponsor.
Do not take away the freedom of law abiding to buy and own any type of firearm they happen to like or take interest in. These laws only affect me and the millions of Americans in the MAJORITY, who are law abiding citizens, that already follow and abide by the already too strict gun laws. More laws won't have any effect on criminals who already disregard any and all gun laws past, present and future.
I ask that you reconsider and vote against HR 1808 and any and all future attempts to infringe on the Second Amendment rights of the MAJORITY, of law abiding citizens.

changemyoil66

Re: US Congress House H.R. 1808 Assault Rifle Ban
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2022, 11:23:53 AM »
Bill died

rpoL98

Re: US Congress House H.R. 1808 Assault Rifle Ban
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2022, 11:43:10 AM »
I think Pelosi postponed this bill till August, in a further attempt to round up some Rino's.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: US Congress House H.R. 1808 Assault Rifle Ban
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2022, 11:52:51 AM »
I think Pelosi postponed this bill till August, in a further attempt to round up some Rino's.

Yep.  Not dead -- just sleeping until they decide to wake it again.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

QUIETShooter

Re: US Congress House H.R. 1808 Assault Rifle Ban
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2022, 01:14:38 PM »
Hi,
I got an email from big daddy unlimited this morning saying the US Congress House is looking at an Assault Rifle Ban and 15 round magazine limit. H.R. 1808
I Immediately called Kai Kahele's office and left a message that I oppose the bill. I also sent a message through his website kahele.house.gov
Please get the message out and encourage everyone to do the same.
This is the message I sent.

Aloha Kai,
I am against the assault weapons ban Bill, H.R. 1808
I think I saw that you are a co-sponsor.
Do not take away the freedom of law abiding to buy and own any type of firearm they happen to like or take interest in. These laws only affect me and the millions of Americans in the MAJORITY, who are law abiding citizens, that already follow and abide by the already too strict gun laws. More laws won't have any effect on criminals who already disregard any and all gun laws past, present and future.
I ask that you reconsider and vote against HR 1808 and any and all future attempts to infringe on the Second Amendment rights of the MAJORITY, of law abiding citizens.

Great message.  Hit the nail on the head on all points. :shaka:

Yeah, just got word that puke pelosi and her henchmen postponed it to when they convene again in August.  Looks like they didn't get the support they were hoping for.

They are gonna try again so we must be vigilant and let them know that they are all full of shiite.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

mrgaf

Re: US Congress House H.R. 1808 Assault Rifle Ban
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2022, 04:31:50 PM »
Great message.  Hit the nail on the head on all points. :shaka:

Yeah, just got word that puke pelosi and her henchmen postponed it to when they convene again in August.  Looks like they didn't get the support they were hoping for.

They are gonna try again so we must be vigilant and let them know that they are all full of shiite.

They should shove that bill up their asses! F*ck them all…. >:D
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.  Thomas Paine.

No man can get rich in politics unless he is a crook.  It cannot be done. Harry Truman

Only good liberal is one taking a dirt nap.

Heavies

Re: US Congress House H.R. 1808 Assault Rifle Ban
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2022, 07:27:07 PM »
Nittle nitwit naddler,

“That’s The Point’: Rep. Nadler Admits Bill Will Confiscate Guns In ‘Common Use‘“

Pretty much defies everything the SCOTUS has ruled, multiple times already, on the 2nd Amendment.




« Last Edit: July 27, 2022, 07:37:38 PM by Heavies »

rpoL98

Re: US Congress House H.R. 1808 Assault Rifle Ban
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2022, 01:23:36 PM »
so it just passed in the House, 217-213.  headed to Senate.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: US Congress House H.R. 1808 Assault Rifle Ban
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2022, 02:15:12 PM »
so it just passed in the House, 217-213.  headed to Senate.

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The highly partisan vote was 217 to 213. Two Republicans voted in favor,
including Chris Jacobs (NY) and Brian Fitzpatrick (PA), while five Democrats
voted against
, including Henry Cuellar (TX), Jared Golden (ME), Vicente Gonzalez (TX), Kurt Schrader (OR) and Ron Kind (WI).

This is a flagrant infringement of the Constitution, which clearly protects weapons
in common use by citizens, including the semi-automatic rifles targeted by this bill.

Theoretically, this bill would now move to the Senate. However, it is unclear whether
the Senate will take up this bill or not. But it is important to contact your U.S. Senator
and urge them to reject this ill-conceived and unconstitutional bill.
https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/house-passes-hr-1808-assault-weapons-ban-2022-take-action-now


Form letter/email to tell our Senators to oppose the bill:

https://oneclickpolitics.global.ssl.fastly.net/promo/4a2
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

finalchecker

Re: US Congress House H.R. 1808 Assault Rifle Ban
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2022, 02:28:22 PM »
I will write my Senators and send a letter to all the Senators. I know what the response will be from Hawaii, but I need to reach out to the other members, because I personally feel that I have zero representation in Hawaii.
NRA Life Member
HIFICO Life Member
HRA Member

groveler

Re: US Congress House H.R. 1808 Assault Rifle Ban
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2022, 02:48:57 PM »
I will write my Senators and send a letter to all the Senators. I know what the response will be from Hawaii, but I need to reach out to the other members, because I personally feel that I have zero representation in Hawaii.
It isn't a matter of representation, you are paying taxes to the people that want to enslave you.
You are making them rich, as you are degenerating into poverty.
This is an interesting Civil war, it isn't Kinetic, but people like us are losing.
Question is,  when will we deal with our problem?
 :wtf:


robtmc

Re: US Congress House H.R. 1808 Assault Rifle Ban
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2022, 03:58:59 PM »
I personally feel that I have zero representation in Hawaii.

You would be right.
They do not GAS what any constituents other than liberal big money givers think.
They know to take Pelousy and Scmucker's orders if they want to stay on the gravy train.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: US Congress House H.R. 1808 Assault Rifle Ban
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2022, 10:26:18 AM »
I sent an email to Hirono and Case asking them to vote NO on the AWB HR 1808.

Haven't heard a peep from Case (who is a co-sponsor .... big surprise!).

Hirono's office emailed me this today:
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Thank you for your email. Senator Hirono’s staff is working remotely as part
of the effort to limit the spread of COVID-19. We aim to respond to constituent
requests within 24 hours. However, we are experiencing a high volume of
correspondence related to COVID-19 and other legislative issues. If you have
an urgent matter, please leave a detailed voice message at the Senator’s DC
Office (202-224-6361) or State Office (808-522-8970) or
email hawaiioffice@hirono.senate.gov.

Visit Senator Hirono’s website here for updated COVID-19 information from
federal, state, and local partners.

Typical.  Didn't respond to the email with more than a "we'll get around to it."

The Senate goes on recess at the end of this week.  Maybe they'll have time to filter out all the HR 1808 emails and take them under advisement before any vote?  Or, maybe they have resigned themselves (wishful phraseology?) to the fact the bill will not even make it to a full vote?

Regardless, I don't see them changing their gun control attitudes to appease a few (...a few hundred .... a few thousand ...) constituents.  They are smarter than the people dumb enough to elect them.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

6716J

Re: US Congress House H.R. 1808 Assault Rifle Ban
« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2022, 10:40:18 AM »
Reply from Ed "I support the 2nd Amendment, BUT" Case

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: US Congress House H.R. 1808 Assault Rifle Ban
« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2022, 10:59:42 AM »
Reply from Ed "I support the 2nd Amendment, BUT" Case

I assume you included how the bill is unconstitutional based on the Heller decision and Nadler's own overt admission that the bill bans firearms that are in common use?  If so, it looks like he ignored that part while claiming to "support the Second Amendment to the US Constitution..."

He/they can't violate the Heller decision and support the 2A at the same time.  That would be oxymoronic.

His reply demonstrates why contacting our state reps in Congress is an exercise in futility.  It wastes our time and only creates more anger and disappointment at how little our opinions mean to these elitists in office.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

QUIETShooter

Re: US Congress House H.R. 1808 Assault Rifle Ban
« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2022, 12:11:14 PM »
I sent an email to Hirono and Case asking them to vote NO on the AWB HR 1808.

Haven't heard a peep from Case (who is a co-sponsor .... big surprise!).

Hirono's office emailed me this today:
Typical.  Didn't respond to the email with more than a "we'll get around to it."

The Senate goes on recess at the end of this week.  Maybe they'll have time to filter out all the HR 1808 emails and take them under advisement before any vote?  Or, maybe they have resigned themselves (wishful phraseology?) to the fact the bill will not even make it to a full vote?

Regardless, I don't see them changing their gun control attitudes to appease a few (...a few hundred .... a few thousand ...) constituents.  They are smarter than the people dumb enough to elect them.

I got this same bullsh*t e-mail from Hirono the Bozo.   And nothing from Case the 2-face.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

changemyoil66

Re: US Congress House H.R. 1808 Assault Rifle Ban
« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2022, 12:34:13 PM »
Case isn't a 2 face if you watch his voting pattern. I would say instead that he's giving you the BS DNC "I support the 2a, but..." reply.

Although our emails and calls fall on deaf ears, we still need to do it.  If not, then no grumble. I often see post on HIFICO FB about people grumbling. Then asked if they did X or Y, they say no. This is super irritating as they rely on others to do the work. Which is why we are where we are today.

So keep it up guys and contact your lawmakers as needed.

6716J

Re: US Congress House H.R. 1808 Assault Rifle Ban
« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2022, 01:06:38 PM »
Case isn't a 2 face if you watch his voting pattern. I would say instead that he's giving you the BS DNC "I support the 2a, but..." reply.

Although our emails and calls fall on deaf ears, we still need to do it.  If not, then no grumble. I often see post on HIFICO FB about people grumbling. Then asked if they did X or Y, they say no. This is super irritating as they rely on others to do the work. Which is why we are where we are today.

So keep it up guys and contact your lawmakers as needed.

That's why I write and call.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy.

hvybarrels

Re: US Congress House H.R. 1808 Assault Rifle Ban
« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2022, 06:22:06 PM »
The F in Communism stands for Food

Flapp_Jackson

Re: US Congress House H.R. 1808 Assault Rifle Ban
« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2022, 09:54:00 AM »
I finally received an emailed letter from Lazy Mazie.

I'll address it by paragraph:

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Dear Mr. X. XXXXX,
Thank you for contacting me about firearms regulation and gun safety. With the recent racially-driven,
hate-fueled shooting in Buffalo, New York and the senseless murder of nineteen elementary school
students and two adults in Uvalde, Texas, and countless other mass shootings that have made national
headlines, the horror of gun violence continues to plague our communities. This is a uniquely American
problem, as the incidence of domestic terror, mass shootings, and school shootings in our country is
significantly higher than other countries.

First, they (I assume her staff) didn't get my name right.  Addressed the email to my Middle Initial and Last Name.

Second, she starts off her "explanation" with nothing but emotion-driven verbiage, evoking motives for violence such as "racially-driven" and "hate-fueled".  So far to my knowledge, the shooter in the Uvalde elementary school incident was not racially-driven or hate-filled (a term that implies hatred of a specific group or person).  According to the only supported theory, he was angry because he wasn't going to be allowed to graduate high school.  He shot his grandmother in the face, stole her truck, and wound up crashing it near the elementary school.  Hirono is trying to build emotion on a flimsy foundation of unsupported assumptions.

As for this situation being "uniquely American," that talking point has been debunked many times by statistics. 

https://www.dailywire.com/news/debunking-the-myth-of-americas-unique-gun-problem

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More than 100 Americans die each day from gun violence, and firearms are now the leading
cause of death for children and teens in the United States, more than deaths from car accidents,
cancer, or COVID-19. Of all the children who are killed with firearms in high-income countries,
91 percent live in the United States. While Hawaii is fortunate to have a relatively low incidence
of gun violence, this is a nationwide concern that requires national action.

The first line is taken directly from anti-gun talking points.  But, she stopped short of giving the WHOLE stat.

Of the 100 Americans who die from gun-inflicted injuries, 39 -- just over 33% -- are homicides.  64 are suicides, and 3 are in "other forms", I assume meaning unintentional.  Including suicides and accidents in "gun violence" is a bit dishonest.  The breakout of the numbers is contained in the same place she or her staff likely found the "100 Americans" number:

https://efsgv.org/learn/type-of-gun-violence/gun-violence-in-the-united-states/

As for children, the CDC and other anti-gun agencies group young adults as old as 19 in the "teen" and "children" categories.  Many of the gun-related deaths among these "children" are due to gun violence and living in high crime neighborhoods (Chicago).  Having the country's strictest gun laws didn't fix Chicago's gun violence problem, so pushing that policy nationwide will have the same effect:  nothing.

Same is true when trying to compare Hawaii to other states.  Sure, we have a relatively low gun violence problem, but much of that stems from our isolation and the "small community" aspect of being on an island.  There are roughly the same number of people on Oahu as there are guns in the hands of the people.  If the mere existence of guns were a problem, don't you think our gun crime rate would be much higher?  Obviously there are other factors here besides the law.  If someone is going to commit a crime, does anyone believe they would avoid using a gun in order to abide by gun laws?  "I was going to commit a violent crime, but I didn't because of the strict gun laws," said nobody ever.

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In June, Senators Chris Murphy (D-CT) and John Cornyn (R-TX) led negotiations on bipartisan
legislation aimed at improving gun safety laws and investing in mental health programs. The
Bipartisan Safer Communities Act, S.2938, which is now law, provides funding for states to
implement crisis intervention programs, closes the boyfriend loophole to protect victims of
domestic violence, enhances background checks for individuals under the age of 21 who seek
to purchase a firearm, takes action against gun trafficking and straw purchases, and provides
funding for mental health programs and school security. I voted in favor of the Bipartisan Safer
Communities Act, which passed in the Senate with a strong 65-33 vote on June 23, 2022, and
was signed into law by President Biden on June 25, 2022.

While the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act makes meaningful progress towards strengthening
our gun safety laws, we must do more to protect our communities from the scourge of gun violence.
I will continue to support a national assault weapons ban stronger restrictions on sales to all those
convicted of domestic violence or other crimes, background checks for all firearms transactions,
among other policies.

The government has had laws in place to "take action against straw purchasers/gun trafficking," but the DOJ fails to prosecute the vast majority of those cases.  Why?  How will more laws fix the DOJ's problem of letting those who already violate these laws walk?

And calling a bill "Bi-Partisan Safer Communities Act" doesn't magically make anyone actually safer.  It just makes the people who want gun control FEEL safer.  The entire bill is about paying money to states who create qualifying programs whether or not they are effective at reducing violence.

Most studies, including multiple studies released by the CDC, found that the 1994 assault weapons ban had NO IMPACT on gun violence.  Since the number of crimes in which so-called assault weapons were used is super small, there's not going to be any measurable improvement by banning these weapons.  There are states that banned assault weapons, but they have seen the largest number of incidents with such weapons -- CA and NY come to mind.

Background checks are not a silver bullet.  They don't catch people who should not be buying guns unless the information is actually part of the background check system.  Anyone who successfully avoided being arrested, involved in a domestic abuse case, or identified and treated for a mental health issue won't be flagged not matter how thoroughly the system looks into anyone's background.  If someone is denied a purchase, there are other ways to acquire a firearm outside the normal FFL channels.

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I understand that we may disagree on some or all of these points. I hope we can agree that
we need to do better to prevent people from committing these heinous acts of violence, which
have ended the lives of countless Americans and shattered the lives of countless others.

Again, thank you for contacting me. If you would like to stay in touch with me on this or other
issues of importance to you, please visit my website at: http://www.hirono.senate.gov. Please
do not hesitate to contact me again in the future if I may be of assistance to you in any way.

She's very close to stating the only thing she got right: both sides of the gun control debate want the same thing -- fewer innocent people killed.  Unfortunately, the only real solution that works is to be prepared to stop the threat WHEN (not if) someone decides to commit murder.  Plenty of warning signs with the Uvalde killer, but nobody stopped him even after the Cops were informed he was dangerous. 

Based on Uvalde, the Cops were incompetent in keeping guns away from him, the Cops were unable to get permission to stop him as he entered the school, and the Cops were cowards, waiting for someone to tell them what to do as kids lay dying and being shot.

Trust the government to keep us safe?  No thanks. 
« Last Edit: August 05, 2022, 01:04:15 PM by Flapp_Jackson »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw