I wouldn't want to live in a condo or townhouse when the communists mandate EV vehicles for everybody.

I would think the majority of your precious time would be checking if there is a vacant spot so you can charge your vehicle.

And another HOA charge upon already rising costs of maintenance that goes up and never down.

Must be fun to be a communist climate sensitive asshat mandating EV vehicles but never shows up at the meetings when the problem of logistics presents itself.

edited to add:  I just started thinking of low-income housing people like those who live in Kuhio Park Terrace for example.  I wonder how many charging stations they going have to share: one??

Hmmm, that's a good question.
Try calling a politician in California.

I'd have to check, but I believe there's a mandate for a certain number of charging stations on new buildings.  Or at least I thought there was.  Been a while since I did design on condos and such.  I know at one time the Seattle Building code mandates a certain number.  It's a racket that started with those LEED and Green Building Council folks getting in the ear of politicians. 

My building is old(er) and nothing like that.  A few residents plug in, so we all share in that cost. . . 

The building where I work has zero charging stations but there are a buttload of Teslas in the parking lot.

I'd have to check, but I believe there's a mandate for a certain number of charging stations on new buildings.  Or at least I thought there was.  Been a while since I did design on condos and such.  I know at one time the Seattle Building code mandates a certain number.  It's a racket that started with those LEED and Green Building Council folks getting in the ear of politicians. 

My building is old(er) and nothing like that.  A few residents plug in, so we all share in that cost. . . 

There is a code for new condo's. I dont remember,but my new condo (2019) has 2 charging stations and 400 units.  My friends condo built in 2010 has only 1 for 400 units.

So my friends condo that has free charging, the stall is never open.  Even at 3am. The rule is 4hr limit.  My condo charges $2 an hour. You get about 25 miles per hour. Ours are always open.  So if any state is serious about "going green", then they would need at least 10 EV charging stations.

My office has 2 stations for about 70 units and is full about 70% of the time. Charging is free. Ala MOana Shopping Center has some stalls and most are always taken. They have like 2-3 next to each other spread out through out the mall. They're free too. Same with Kahala Mall.

There is a code for new condo's. I dont remember,but my new condo (2019) has 2 charging stations and 400 units.  My friends condo built in 2010 has only 1 for 400 units.

So my friends condo that has free charging, the stall is never open.  Even at 3am. The rule is 4hr limit.  My condo charges $2 an hour. You get about 25 miles per hour. Ours are always open.  So if any state is serious about "going green", then they would need at least 10 EV charging stations.

My office has 2 stations for about 70 units and is full about 70% of the time. Charging is free. Ala MOana Shopping Center has some stalls and most are always taken. They have like 2-3 next to each other spread out through out the mall. They're free too. Same with Kahala Mall.

Sounds like having too few charging stations is just another facet of the "Green New Deal."

Takes fossil fuel to generate the electricity needed to charge all the cars if everyone went with EVs.  To counteract that new energy demand, just limit how many cars can charge at once.

Genius!

 

Sounds like having too few charging stations is just another facet of the "Green New Deal."

Takes fossil fuel to generate the electricity needed to charge all the cars if everyone went with EVs.  To counteract that new energy demand, just limit how many cars can charge at once.

Genius!

 

Add in that unlike gas that takes less than 3 mins to fill up to  a full tank, EV's take much longer. Like on a fast charger about 20-30 mins each car. I would say, #1 until the charging tech can match gas fill up speed and #2 chargers are everywhere like gas stations,  no deal should be done at all.

To me, a workable arrangement to accommodate EVs at condos is for associations to bring in electrical power (put in a power outlet?) at each parking stall.  Not sure how they would meter this, but maybe the condo association can bill the resident for their individual power draw.

To me, a workable arrangement to accommodate EVs at condos is for associations to bring in electrical power (put in a power outlet?) at each parking stall.  Not sure how they would meter this, but maybe the condo association can bill the resident for their individual power draw.

Maybe each person can be issued a stall and the usage linked to their appt and charged accordingly.
Each stall would have to be under lock and key so to speak so just have someone swooping in and using to while you are away does not happen. Maybe some sort of digital id that unlocks the charger for use and billing. Or the car itself has some sort of built in id that is read when the "nozzle" is inserted.
Also if you are found to be noncompliant you can be shut off. 

Maybe each person can be issued a stall and the usage linked to their appt and charged accordingly.
Each stall would have to be under lock and key so to speak so just have someone swooping in and using to while you are away does not happen. Maybe some sort of digital id that unlocks the charger for use and billing. Or the car itself has some sort of built in id that is read when the "nozzle" is inserted.
Also if you are found to be noncompliant you can be shut off.

Exactly.  I'm not paying for someone else's lifestyle choices.

How paid commerical places work, you pay on the charging device with either your phone or credit/debit card. Tesla Super Chargers are done via the Telsa app.

My condo you need to let security know you want to charge so they know which unit to bill. Until they input that, no flow of juice starts.

How I see the most effective way if they do charge, then go with the credit card machine on the unit, like how you do for gas.No condo will install chargers at every stall. This would cost way too much. Instead a section of the garage with like 5-10 charging stations. But now this will cut into the developers profit because these are 10 less parking stalls they can sell for new buildings.

How paid commerical places work, you pay on the charging device with either your phone or credit/debit card. Tesla Super Chargers are done via the Telsa app.

My condo you need to let security know you want to charge so they know which unit to bill. Until they input that, no flow of juice starts.

How I see the most effective way if they do charge, then go with the credit card machine on the unit, like how you do for gas.No condo will install chargers at every stall. This would cost way too much. Instead a section of the garage with like 5-10 charging stations. But now this will cut into the developers profit because these are 10 less parking stalls they can sell for new buildings.

You can actually charge an EV with a standard 110-120V outlet. 

it's much slower than using a car charger, and commercially it avoids being able to allocate that amount of electricity to someone who needs to pay for their charging time.  So, the condo is going to have to lock down ALL their accessible outlets to prevent "energy theft" unless they are okay with everyone subsidizing "Green Energy" for those who opt-in.

Since electricity isn't free, and in a condo environment everyone shares the cost of common area electricity usage, it's going to take some degree of investment and monitoring to make sure the people benefitting are the only one's paying.

Energy is a funny thing.  There's always a trade-off.  If you go with this type vs. others, it might be what's most effective, but it also costs the most.  Going another route means it's cleaner and less harmful to the planet (theoretically), but it's less convenient, less effective, has limitations, and is not readily available wherever you need it.  And on and on it goes.

Maybe the condo associations need to write Biden and request subsidies for these Green Energy vampires that suck more than their fair share of electricity while not paying the per-gallon-of-gas state and federal taxes they used to?

You can actually charge an EV with a standard 110-120V outlet. 

it's much slower than using a car charger, and commercially it avoids being able to allocate that amount of electricity to someone who needs to pay for their charging time.  So, the condo is going to have to lock down ALL their accessible outlets to prevent "energy theft" unless they are okay with everyone subsidizing "Green Energy" for those who opt-in.

Since electricity isn't free, and in a condo environment everyone shares the cost of common area electricity usage, it's going to take some degree of investment and monitoring to make sure the people benefitting are the only one's paying.

Energy is a funny thing.  There's always a trade-off.  If you go with this type vs. others, it might be what's most effective, but it also costs the most.  Going another route means it's cleaner and less harmful to the planet (theoretically), but it's less convenient, less effective, has limitations, and is not readily available wherever you need it.  And on and on it goes.

Maybe the condo associations need to write Biden and request subsidies for these Green Energy vampires that suck more than their fair share of electricity while not paying the per-gallon-of-gas state and federal taxes they used to?

Even with a regular outlet, I don't see any buildings installing one in every stall. For Teslas, when you plug into a regular plug, you get about 3 miles an hour. So doable in HI if your car sits overnight until the next day.  Even if you drive from Mililani to town daily.

Even with a regular outlet, I don't see any buildings installing one in every stall. For Teslas, when you plug into a regular plug, you get about 3 miles an hour. So doable in HI if your car sits overnight until the next day.  Even if you drive from Mililani to town daily.

None of that was my point.

The point is, you can try to monitor and charge EV owners for the power they consume, but unless all outlets are inaccessible, people will find ways to "steal" the energy without paying.

Imagine a car plugged up to a pay-per-kWh "energy pump" charging station, while a car right next to it is plugged into a normal 110V outlet not paying for the energy.

I'm not talking about a "solution" so 100% of EV owners have an outlet/charging station.  I'm talking about how trying to charge people for their energy use is not as easy as you think.  Instead of jumper cables, people will have long extension cords in their trunks.   

I'm not talking about a "solution" so 100% of EV owners have an outlet/charging station.  I'm talking about how trying to charge people for their energy use is not as easy as you think.  Instead of jumper cables, people will have long extension cords in their trunks.   

I've seen a Leaf do this at a public lot. She was about 4 stalls away from the outlet, which was near the elevators. This went on for some time, so I don't think the people monitoring the lot cared.

I've seen a Leaf do this at a public lot. She was about 4 stalls away from the outlet, which was near the elevators. This went on for some time, so I don't think the people monitoring the lot cared.

Unless the managers/owners of the building who pay the electric bills spot her, it's doubtful anyone will turn her in.  Hawaii has a "no make stink" culture.

No matter how much you engineer the process to force people to pay, there are many who think they can get free energy if you're dumb enough to have an outlet accessible.