It’s amazing how hundreds of ranges in the mainland manage lead issues but not here. Also how do competitive shooters shot thousands of rounds a week but manage to stay healthy, ie Jerry Miculek. Lots of shibai.

Jones

It’s amazing how hundreds of ranges in the mainland manage lead issues but not here. Also how do competitive shooters shot thousands of rounds a week but manage to stay healthy, ie Jerry Miculek. Lots of shibai.

Jones

Oh yes.  All this is BS.  My opinion, of course.  I say this not out of disrespect to the RO's.  I care for their health and hope their blood levels drop to safe levels soon.

The range could have stayed open longer until the proposed berm remediation.  They could have operated with less staff (those who don't have elevated levels) and fewer shooting lanes to supervise.  Better than closing it completely.  Install some portable wash stations for the time being until if and when they want to redesign or renovate the shooting facilities.

This is Hawaii.  Everything we do is backwards, sideways, or just plain stupid.

Oh yes.  All this is BS.  My opinion, of course.  I say this not out of disrespect to the RO's.  I care for their health and hope their blood levels drop to safe levels soon.

The range could have stayed open longer until the proposed berm remediation.  They could have operated with less staff (those who don't have elevated levels) and fewer shooting lanes to supervise.  Better than closing it completely.  Install some portable wash stations for the time being until if and when they want to redesign or renovate the shooting facilities.

This is Hawaii.  Everything we do is backwards, sideways, or just plain stupid.

Or crooked….

Or crooked….

Yah, dat too.

Yah, dat too.

People who don't have integrity assume all others are the same.

Unfortunately, the ones with integrity and honesty often find themselves at a disadvantage if they are the only ones playing by the rules.

Such is life.  Sometimes being right is all you get to be.

They say crime doesn't pay, but then you see people like the Clintons and all the corruption and pay-to-play that's gone on for decades.

Or crooked….

Our government is selfish, immoral and unethical.
What do you expect?
You guys won't get your range back.
We will never get one.
J. Green and his ilk will make it so.
Buy some land and ignore the system,
or at least make it so impotent( defunded)
That it can't afford to hurt you.
 

People who don't have integrity assume all others are the same.

Unfortunately, the ones with integrity and honesty often find themselves at a disadvantage if they are the only ones playing by the rules.

Such is life.  Sometimes being right is all you get to be.

They say crime doesn't pay, but then you see people like the Clintons and all the corruption and pay-to-play that's gone on for decades.

Very few things make me grit my teeth until they are on the verge of breaking than thinking of the Clintons and what they got away with.  HRC more so than Bill but not by much.

Agree about integrity and honesty.  In politics it seems to be way down the list or nonexistent.  But I still believe in them and look for them in the candidates. 

Nobody is perfect but striving for these virtues is what is important to me.

I wonder if they’ll have public hearings on the range closure or input from the public on range improvements?  Any new news? 

The Mayor is not happy with the CCW ruling. He is the senior City executive that is responsible for the City parks including the range....

What is wrong with Hawaii Leaders.  Just do your damn job.  Leave your feelings home with mommy.

The Mayor is not happy with the CCW ruling. He is the senior City executive that is responsible for the City parks including the range....

Cry me a river, Mr. Mayor.

Chiefs rules approved. Guess the indoor ranges will capitalize on this since KHSC closed.  Need to do the shooting qual.

The Mayor is not happy with the CCW ruling. He is the senior City executive that is responsible for the City parks including the range....

I'm sure there are more of us "not happy" with the unconstitutional and strict gun laws Hawaii imposes on good, law abiding people.

Most dictators are not "happy" when the population is armed.

Did they start the berm work ?

The Mayor is not happy with the CCW ruling. He is the senior City executive that is responsible for the City parks including the range....

Yeah, and I voted for him too
Be hard pressed to do it again

Yeah, and I voted for him too
Be hard pressed to do it again

Me too but not again!

I took some pics of the range yesterday.  Doesn't look like work has been done at the range.  Hard to tell if the backstops were sifted as it looks smoother, but that could just come with time passing by as it has been a couple months since it was closed.  The park gates are locked.  There were a few people sitting under the tree, not sure who they are or what they're doing there.

Yeah, and I voted for him too
Be hard pressed to do it again

Me too.  Couldn't find myself to vote for the other guy.  Plus Rick brings a new face and supposedly fresh outlook to the office.  Well, that's what I was thinking at the time.

Wanted to know how Rick felt about 2a but he was pretty elusive if not silent about the issue.  But he did hint on gun control and public safety a lot.

I thought he was going to be a maverick mayor but doesn't look like it. 

Blangiardi is very antigun, but I think he'll be good in other issues like how he's trying to fix the building permit issues.  Thielen is the city parks director and is also very anti-gun, so they make a good pairing.  Unfortunately that means Koko Head isn't a priority for them so this range closure may go on for a while.

Caldwell tended towards the progun and hunting side, so you probably wouldn't see the "sensitive places" bill brought up by him, and range work would be happening now if he was still in office.

Health officials say casual range users shouldn’t worry too much about lead exposure if they follow safety guidelines.

Those include:

    Washing your hands and face with soap and water after shooting.
    Changing clothes before you leave the range.
    And washing those items separately from everything else.

It’s also advised not to eat, drink or smoke while shooting.[/i]

This is 2022.  How long has the range operated?  Why have these lead/environmental issues only become a problem AFTER they have become a ptoblem?

In other words, do you wait to fill up your car or truck AFTER you run out of gas?  Or do you know that is something you should PREVENT by stopping while you still have gas in the tank?

"We appreciate their patience while we work with these advisors to make necessary improvements to ensure the shooting complex can once again operate safely upon its reopening.”

Seems to me the current situation demonstrates the range was NOT operating safely before because there are "necessary improvements" needed.  Just because it was open doesn't mean it was safe.  The levels of lead in the RSOs is evidence of that.