My conspiracy theory suspicions are beginning to come true.

You think the range staff are feigning lead poisoning?

You think the range staff are feigning lead poisoning?

Thats not how its working.

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Thats not how its working.

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I don't follow. I thought the closure was because the staff got sick and tested for high levels of lead?

You think the range staff are feigning lead poisoning?

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I’m bringing this up from another forum I read.  I have the idea of shooting on public hunting land since I’m a hunting license owner (Read hawaii hunting license yourself if you need to).  Moreover, other states are free to shoot on federal public lands!!!  Are we part of America or what?? ? There are no restrictions saying we can’t do it!  Safety is paramount and I stress again safety is paramount so please shoot at a legitimate berm, do not shoot by trails and the list goes on (Military brain kicking at my time at the range).  Again, this is an idea, something i’d like to bring up to state officials with more concrete evidence but I also wanted to get the 2a community’s feedback.  Let me know.

I don't think the high blood levels of lead in the staff are due to the lead in the berms but breathing the vaporized lead in the air on the firing line.  My lead levels shot up from a base line of 8 to a very high level of 39.  The 39 was taken a day after a match where the wind was blowing thick clouds straight back at us.  I knew it wasn't good to be breathing in all the smoke at the time.  I happened to have a doctors appointment the next day and asked for a lead test. 

After my high results I called the guy who makes the D-Lead soap to see what products he suggested.   He said the high lead levels are not from touching lead and then eating or whatever.  The big issue is breathing it because it's absorbed immediately in your system. 

Anyway, my guess is some kind of respiratory protection would solve the problem.

I hope the City is truly working for a solution.



 

Everyone is being trolled. This lead and environmental damage argument will be used to put an end to private outdoor ranges in the name of safety. Only the Feds, State and County will have enough money for lead remediation. Also, HPD does have access to an indoor range, so they will not.lose any training time.

Want to get the state and city's attention. Start reserving party sites at Ala Moana Park and run shooting drills (with no guns or alcohol of course). 200 people willing to take over spots at the park running drills using finger and going "pew pew" wil get some attention.all these closures of the range are to fragment gun enthusiestsnamd prevent them from meeting and communicating in person.

On the way to the event take photos of every hazardous condition the state and city are neglecting and submit that to your legislators.

Ok, lets talk about Type 2 Holsters....break!

You think the range staff are feigning lead poisoning?

No. 

Do I think there is an effort to close the range down permanently? 

Yes.

Do I think these recent events help in that endeavor?

Yes.

Do I think the anti-gun movement (civilians, LE, state gov't officials) will take advantage of these events?

Yes.

Do I think the recent SCOTUS decision spurred these anti-gun pukes to come up with ways to circumvent, delay, and hopefully legally restrict the implementation of concealed carry?

YES

All of this my opinion.  Of course.

As soon as I heard about the closing, this pretty much was what I suspected was going on.
You Oahu guys are in for a fight against entrenched enemies.
Knudsen never quit.

No. 

Do I think there is an effort to close the range down permanently? 

Yes.

Do I think these recent events help in that endeavor?

Yes.

Do I think the anti-gun movement (civilians, LE, state gov't officials) will take advantage of these events?

Yes.

Do I think the recent SCOTUS decision spurred these anti-gun pukes to come up with ways to circumvent, delay, and hopefully legally restrict the implementation of concealed carry?

YES

All of this my opinion.  Of course.

sent an email to NRA leadership. Plan to send another to our City rep about this. I suggest everyone do the same with the City

Everyone is being trolled. This lead and environmental damage argument will be used to put an end to private outdoor ranges in the name of safety. Only the Feds, State and County will have enough money for lead remediation. Also, HPD does have access to an indoor range, so they will not.lose any training time.

Want to get the state and city's attention. Start reserving party sites at Ala Moana Park and run shooting drills (with no guns or alcohol of course). 200 people willing to take over spots at the park running drills using finger and going "pew pew" wil get some attention.all these closures of the range are to fragment gun enthusiestsnamd prevent them from meeting and communicating in person.

On the way to the event take photos of every hazardous condition the state and city are neglecting and submit that to your legislators.

Ok, lets talk about Type 2 Holsters....break!

SSD, corrections, armored car also use the range.

But im sure leo will continue to be allowed, if not still using the bay side.

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My guess is range staff reported symptoms are related to vax injuries but since doctors are not allowed to even think about that possibility they blamed it on lead instead, even though the levels are well below the reporting threshold.

Politicians jumped on it as a chance to get us back for scotus rulings

. Also, HPD does have access to an indoor range, so they will not.lose any training time.

The officers that I have talked to all are concerned about the closing of the range. The HPD indoor range is not enough for all of our officers to train, also the difference in drills and situations that can be practiced make the outdoor range a necessity for them.

My guess is range staff reported symptoms are related to vax injuries but since doctors are not allowed to even think about that possibility they blamed it on lead instead, even though the levels are well below the reporting threshold.

No


Everyone locked out public and LEO from kokohead.

The officers that I have talked to all are concerned about the closing of the range. The HPD indoor range is not enough for all of our officers to train, also the difference in drills and situations that can be practiced make the outdoor range a necessity for them.

Each of the 30 firing lanes is 75 feet long by 5 feet wide.
(Not much for rifle)

The officers that I have talked to all are concerned about the closing of the range. The HPD indoor range is not enough for all of our officers to train, also the difference in drills and situations that can be practiced make the outdoor range a necessity for them.

Just so I am clear, none of this is on HPD officers. This is command staff and quid pro quo politics as usual. The Chief has to do bidding of Legislature. Just look at huge carrot Rhoades and Lee are dangling - allowing PD's to collect money directly from ticket revenue.  The MIA City Council will step in to back up CCW restrictions because they would love HPD to get an influx of funds directly from ticket revenue.

This would free up City funds to pay chronies and build more dog parks. The recession is here and property sales and values are falling off a cliff because of high interest rates property values will be stagnant. This means less property tax revenue for the City. Everyone here should take time to read both the StateExecutive Biennium Budget for 2021-2023 and the City Budget for 2023.

Ige is stalling Stadium Development because he was begged to do so by developers......materials costs and interest rates are too high. People will not be able to afford the units. Developers are having a hard time selling current new development inventory. Construction workers will work on current projects, but likely there will be some stagnation and they mightbe laid off when current projects peter out. Residential housing will be first to recover, then the new governor will likely move forward with stadium plan and slow roll it.
If the Japanese visitors do not return soon, we will be screwed. Residents who are retired and or on fixed income should be okay if they are homeowners. Renters might be jammed up.

Politicians wanna keep ignoring the Constitution need to be held accountable on all these other issues.

Everyone locked out public and LEO from kokohead.

It’s the “defund the police” people

They want to replace local law enforcement with federal troops controlled by the WEF

You have to wonder when local cops are finally going to figure out they are being set up to fail

It’s the “defund the police” people

They want to replace local law enforcement with federal troops controlled by the WEF

You have to wonder when local cops are finally going to figure out they are being set up to fail

Hawaii will never allow feds to usurp local authority. In fact, Hawaii is one of a few states that does not afford peace officer status to federal law enforcement. This is why feds can never pull you over for traffic stops on state and city roads. Some feds donhave ticketing power  on fed lands like Haleakala, the airport, and some parks, as well as military property. This forces feds tonwork with local agencies instead of doing traffic stops unrelated to a federal crime. Hawaii wants more local police policing and trust me HPD will be ordered to dirty everyone up if CCW is ever granted.

Hawaii will never allow feds to usurp local authority. In fact, Hawaii is one of a few states that does not afford peace officer status to federal law enforcement. This is why feds can never pull you over for traffic stops on state and city roads. Some feds donhave ticketing power  on fed lands like Haleakala, the airport, and some parks, as well as military property. This forces feds tonwork with local agencies instead of doing traffic stops unrelated to a federal crime. Hawaii wants more local police policing and trust me HPD will be ordered to dirty everyone up if CCW is ever granted.

I don't think this is true. Do you have a reference? Federal law enforcement officers may not CCW when not on official duty, but they certainly have arrest powers. People think that sheriffs cannot pull you over if you're on C&C property, but this is a myth. I'm thinking you're confusing LEOSA with something else?

Law suit soon?