Philadelphia Shooting (Read 5256 times)

rhayder

Philadelphia Shooting
« on: November 06, 2022, 10:02:08 AM »
At least 9 injured in Philadelphia shooting after multiple people started firing at a crowd

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/least-9-injured-philadelphia-shooting-multiple-people-started-firing-c-rcna55864

How would you fix this?

hvybarrels

Re: Philadelphia Shooting
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2022, 10:14:58 AM »
Stop fraudulent elections so there’s at least the possibility of getting some competent leaders
Pretending to be offended does not make you a good person.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Philadelphia Shooting
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2022, 10:26:30 AM »
At least 9 injured in Philadelphia shooting after multiple people started firing at a crowd

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/least-9-injured-philadelphia-shooting-multiple-people-started-firing-c-rcna55864

How would you fix this?

Stop letting Democrats run the state and big cities.

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The list goes on and on.

You can't fix a problem if the people in charge refuse to accept, or even acknowledge, they are at least somewhat responsible.  Admitting where the problem lies is the first step.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=philadelphia+democrat+policy+failures+crime&atb=v314-1&ia=web&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2022%2F10%2F24%2Fus%2Flarry-krasner-philadelphia-committee-report.html&pn=1
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: Philadelphia Shooting
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2022, 10:28:43 AM »
Pretending to be offended does not make you a good person.

QUIETShooter

Re: Philadelphia Shooting
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2022, 11:14:41 AM »
Hold people accountable for the crimes they commit.  And establish a government willing to follow through with punishment and incarceration.  (F**kn Dems, I'm talking to you.)

Constitutional carry.

Simple.

Violence will always be with us.  We are a nation where guns are a reality.  And a constitution that gives us that reality.  If anyone has a problem with that, leave the country.  The constitution stays.

Banning firearms or restricting or banning citizens from obtaining and using firearms to protect themselves should not even be discussed or even ventured into.

Laws that severely punish those who abuse firearms and commit crimes with firearms are all that is needed.

That controls the criminals and keeps the law abiding citizens safe, accountable and responsible.  Everyone knowing that there are consequences to using guns for crimes or abusing the right to have guns is enough.

Again, there will always be violence.  We are a country that embraces gun culture.  Don't give a f**k about other countries.  They don't have a constitution that has a 2nd amendment.

Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Philadelphia Shooting
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2022, 11:25:29 AM »
This is unclear.. what actionable steps would you recommend and how would those steps help?

Why is "Stop letting Democrats run the state and big cities." unclear?

I can help you with the big words, but I can't understand it for you.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

groveler

Re: Philadelphia Shooting
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2022, 11:52:10 AM »
This is unclear.. what actionable steps would you recommend and how would those steps help?
Perhaps I can help here as I'm the site anarchist.
In military mode you obliterate your enemy and convince them to stop
their aggression or they and all their family die.
In a civilian situation you make it so uncertain they don't want to take the chance.
eg how many of the shoppers in this Walmart are carrying?
A School is easier because we know they are disarmed. sort of thing.
"An armed society is a polite society."
Hawaii needs to be "Shall issue". not
kinda, sorta, maybe, if you pass all our tests, and suck our dicks,
which most adults won't do to exercise their God given and Constitutional rights.
 :shaka:

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Philadelphia Shooting
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2022, 12:13:23 PM »
Perhaps I can help here as I'm the site anarchist.
In military mode you obliterate your enemy and convince them to stop
their aggression or they and all their family die.
In a civilian situation you make it so uncertain they don't want to take the chance.
eg how many of the shoppers in this Walmart are carrying?
A School is easier because we know they are disarmed. sort of thing.
"An armed society is a polite society."
Hawaii needs to be "Shall issue". not
kinda, sorta, maybe, if you pass all our tests, and suck our dicks,
which most adults won't do to exercise their God given and Constitutional rights.
 :shaka:

What the Liberals, and the OP (but I repeat myself), fail to understand is it's not possible to control human behavior.  Sure, you can try to manipulate and reward behavior (positive and negative consequences), but the choice is up to the individual.

Sometimes you can offer an alternative to incarceration that, if taken as an opportunity, can mean breaking the cycle of criminal behavior, such as military service, continued education, job placement, etc.  Sometimes crime is a result of financial circumstance, and providing a path to allow them to change their circumstances is enough.

Unfortunately, career criminals exist, and their morals are not aligned with societal demands.  Theft, assault and even murder can't be deterred if the person lacks the moral compass to know what's right or wrong.

Best thing the justice system can do is step up incarcerations, make prisons less comfortable, and offer alternatives to prison for those who demonstrate a real desire to earn money legitimately.

Any solution needs to involve something other than catch-and-release like we see today in many crime-riddled cities.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: Philadelphia Shooting
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2022, 01:16:10 PM »
So what actions would you have the leaders do to prevent this in the future?


Pretending to be offended does not make you a good person.

groveler

Re: Philadelphia Shooting
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2022, 01:25:42 PM »
What the Liberals, and the OP (but I repeat myself), fail to understand is it's not possible to control human behavior.  Sure, you can try to manipulate and reward behavior (positive and negative consequences), but the choice is up to the individual.

Sometimes you can offer an alternative to incarceration that, if taken as an opportunity, can mean breaking the cycle of criminal behavior, such as military service, continued education, job placement, etc.  Sometimes crime is a result of financial circumstance, and providing a path to allow them to change their circumstances is enough.

Unfortunately, career criminals exist, and their morals are not aligned with societal demands.  Theft, assault and even murder can't be deterred if the person lacks the moral compass to know what's right or wrong.

Best thing the justice system can do is step up incarcerations, make prisons less comfortable, and offer alternatives to prison for those who demonstrate a real desire to earn money legitimately.

Any solution needs to involve something other than catch-and-release like we see today in many crime-riddled cities.
I've never been convicted of anything, charged .yes but never convicted.
I take an opposite view of yours
"make prisons less comfortable,"
I was in New Orleans Parish prison for a while.  That is equivalent to a county jail.
The conditions there were shall I say, I wanted to kill all the cops, guys were getting raped
(Cops watched and laughed)., thefts , you name it.
I had to sleep in the middle of a group of Marines( in for strong arm robbery) to be safe
and stay up all night with my back against a corner wall.
playing solitaire.  I learned how to play Spades CORRECTLY in jail from some gang members.
My point is this;
The point of jail is to isolate bad people from "good" people.
so isolate them from people.
All people.
Re-hab is a good goal, but most everyone I ever dealt with was a loser,
Justice system sucks, but our prison system is even worse.
I think the Japanese have the best system.

I got a week of bad time tacked on to my enlistment.
That was all.
IYAC it was a fight on Bourbon street.
 :wacko:





Cain57

Re: Philadelphia Shooting
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2022, 04:20:13 PM »
At least 9 injured in Philadelphia shooting after multiple people started firing at a crowd

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/least-9-injured-philadelphia-shooting-multiple-people-started-firing-c-rcna55864

How would you fix this?

There are a few ways but it starts with constitutional carry everywhere for law abiding citizens. Also have leadership in place that impose harsher penalties on those who break the law. For example if you commit murder you die no jail…if you steal from someone you lose a hand then go to jail…if you rape someone you’re castrated then go to jail. Make the penalties so harsh that people think twice about doing harm to others. The problem is prison is a all expenses paid vacation for these people and they see the system as a joke.

drck1000

Re: Philadelphia Shooting
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2022, 04:59:19 PM »
For someone who obviously doesn’t know or care about 2a, does anyone expect it to actually understand?

Sheep happy to feel safe.

dafrtknocker

Re: Philadelphia Shooting
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2022, 05:00:32 PM »
I've never been convicted of anything, charged .yes but never convicted.

First thought, because they couldn't find the body!!! :shaka:

randay

Re: Philadelphia Shooting
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2022, 05:04:48 PM »
overlapping fields of fire

QUIETShooter

Re: Philadelphia Shooting
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2022, 06:28:20 PM »
Most people behave when there are consequences, and the law is willing and able to administer those consequences.

Criminals are mostly cowards.  They are afraid of strict laws.  If they're not, they are insane.  Either way, laws should show that the punishment is severe and not worth it.  If the criminals persist, they are insane.  Whether they are put away or killed, win-win either way.  The elderly, children, and innocent will be safe.

We cannot be everything to everybody.  This is where the problem lies.  Actions have consequences.  It's that simple.  Not everyone will be happy with it, but nothing ever is.  Compromise is a reality in the real world.

Every law abiding citizen that wants to protect themselves and loved ones should be able to do so.

The gun is the great equalizer.  Our forefathers knew this.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Kalikikopa

Re: Philadelphia Shooting
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2022, 08:30:52 PM »
There are a few ways but it starts with constitutional carry everywhere for law abiding citizens. Also have leadership in place that impose harsher penalties on those who break the law. For example if you commit murder you die no jail…if you steal from someone you lose a hand then go to jail…if you rape someone you’re castrated then go to jail. Make the penalties so harsh that people think twice about doing harm to others. The problem is prison is a all expenses paid vacation for these people and they see the system as a joke.

My two suggestions were at least a discussion on the pros and cons of mandatory concealed carry. Not a law the police have to enforce, but when a bank robber has to think that EVERYONE has the ability to stop him, and very few are on his side, he has a decision. The second was a mandatory 10years , no parole of ANY crime committed with a firearm. You brandish a gun, or even show a gun during your attempt to rob a 7/11 your 2 year misdemeanor becomes a 12 year felony conviction.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Philadelphia Shooting
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2022, 10:25:43 PM »
How would that solve the problem?

I can't understand it for you.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

rpoL98

Re: Philadelphia Shooting
« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2022, 01:33:31 AM »

Rocky

Re: Philadelphia Shooting
« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2022, 07:31:52 AM »
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt

changemyoil66

Re: Philadelphia Shooting
« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2022, 08:53:50 AM »
So we should implement Sharia law.. interesting.

Please list in detail COMPLETELY what Sharia law is.