Powerful speech by AOC: What are your core values? (Read 3409 times)

rhayder

Powerful speech by AOC: What are your core values?
« on: November 07, 2022, 01:41:32 PM »
Powerful Speaker ..what are your core values? Great description of fascism also. Calls out NY Post as a fascist rag.

She has a point about reducing gun crime by removing regulation and letting more guns in which makes no sense. I like my guns but I also believe that only responsible citizens that pass a test or other training should be allowed to own them. Better than saying Herschel Walker is like Jesus.





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macsak

Re: Powerful speech by AOC: What are your core values?
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2022, 02:18:48 PM »
"powerful speech" and "AOC"
i'll take two phrases that have never appeared together in a sentence for $800, Alex...

changemyoil66

Re: Powerful speech by AOC: What are your core values?
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2022, 06:24:51 PM »
"powerful speech" and "AOC"
i'll take two phrases that have never appeared together in a sentence for $800, Alex...
Vivid contract


2 words we unfortunatlly wont hear together either.

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ren

Re: Powerful speech by AOC: What are your core values?
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2022, 06:36:19 PM »
Powerful Speaker ..what are your core values? Great description of fascism also. Calls out NY Post as a fascist rag.

She has a point about reducing gun crime by removing regulation and letting more guns in which makes no sense. I like my guns but I also believe that only responsible citizens that pass a test or other training should be allowed to own them. Better than saying Herschel Walker is like Jesus.



what training or tests did you perform to get your firearms? The claim that you found a complete cartridge as a ricochet on the Kokohead trail makes me wonder if you have any type of firearms education.
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ren

Re: Powerful speech by AOC: What are your core values?
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2022, 08:05:41 PM »
I have no idea what you are talking about. Cartridge ricochet doesn't make much sense. In Hawaii it was just a test online. A hunter safety course was needed for a hunting license where I used to live. Military training should also qualify.

what military training did you receive
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Powerful speech by AOC: What are your core values?
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2022, 08:49:43 PM »
I have no idea what you are talking about. Cartridge ricochet doesn't make much sense. In Hawaii it was just a test online. A hunter safety course was needed for a hunting license where I used to live. Military training should also qualify.

Are you even aware that 26 states have Constitutional carry, and NONE of them require training or permits in order to exercise the right to keep and bear arms?

The hunter safety course here which qualifies for owning handguns is ridiculous.  The course doesn't teach handgun safety any more than watching a few good quality YT videos can.  It would make MORE SENSE to do away with the training requirement for handgun permits since (1) Hunter's Ed has no range/live fire portion to actually teach handgun operation and safety, and (2) no training is needed to own and use a long gun.

Makes no sense from a safety standpoint.  Might as well use the lowest common denominator -- no mandated training at all for ANY firearm purchases.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Powerful speech by AOC: What are your core values?
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2022, 11:22:52 AM »
While I agree that a hunter safety course is not adequate. It's better than nothing and at least it teaches people to treat every weapon as loaded and that firearms and alcohol are not a good combination. It should be better but it is better than nothing. The problem with just letting anyone carry however they like is that some are just plainly not competent to make rational decisions with or without a firearm. If they had competence they would realize that they need training and obtain it voluntarily in order to protect their family and others from the danger of owning firearms without proper training.

Alternatively we could just punish people after their fact for allowing children access to a firearm that resulted in death.

You don't hear yourself. huh?

You think that because some unknown portion of the gun owning population will not voluntarily sign up for safety training, it's up to the government to force everyone to take a class, even if the quality of the class is -- in your words -- not adequate.

How is that in any way effective or worth the time and money spent?

Having no requirement for training would be better.  Spend that money on coupons for free range time and ammo for new gun owners.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

aletheuo137

Re: Powerful speech by AOC: What are your core values?
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2022, 11:59:48 AM »
You don't hear yourself. huh?

You think that because some unknown portion of the gun owning population will not voluntarily sign up for safety training, it's up to the government to force everyone to take a class, even if the quality of the class is -- in your words -- not adequate.

How is that in any way effective or worth the time and money spent?

Having no requirement for training would be better.  Spend that money on coupons for free range time and ammo for new gun owners.
Another Pete Buttigieg word salad!

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Rocky

Re: Powerful speech by AOC: What are your core values?
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2022, 12:05:48 PM »
" Training that allows me to ?
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drck1000

Re: Powerful speech by AOC: What are your core values?
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2022, 12:26:59 PM »
Must be expert then. . .  ::)

eh ignorant guy, look up "lowest common denominator training". . .

drck1000

Re: Powerful speech by AOC: What are your core values?
« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2022, 12:29:53 PM »
SNIP

Having no requirement for training would be better.  Spend that money on coupons for free range time and ammo for new gun owners.
The issue isn't training.  The issue is personal responsibility and lack of accountability for one's actions. 

Yet, some here want to impose what they clearly do not understand on everyone.  Now that is the definition of facism. . .

drck1000

Re: Powerful speech by AOC: What are your core values?
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2022, 12:33:21 PM »
So you believe that if you shoot someone because you are not adequately trained we should shoot you?
What in ANY stretch of the world of rational people could you come to that conclusion?   ::)

robtmc

Re: Powerful speech by AOC: What are your core values?
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2022, 12:35:31 PM »
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Powerful speech by AOC: What are your core values?
« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2022, 12:40:23 PM »
NO! I say lets make the training adequate. Let the people have at least the same training as HPD. Also make it a requirement to continue to qualify to keep it.

Who pays for this mythical training?  The tax payers?  The gun owners, many of whom most in need of protection can't afford it?

How much time and money must one spend to have the government's permission to exercise an inalienable right?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

drck1000

Re: Powerful speech by AOC: What are your core values?
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2022, 12:53:04 PM »
Rules of engagement?  Who the hell brought up fratricide? 

I said training not needed?  I said it's not the main/primary issue.  There's a difference. 

We've got one that has clearly gone full retard. . .

drck1000

Re: Powerful speech by AOC: What are your core values?
« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2022, 01:08:20 PM »
The issue isn't training.  The issue is personal responsibility and lack of accountability for one's actions. 

Yet, some here want to impose what they clearly do not understand on everyone.  Now that is the definition of facism. . .

SNIP You implied we had to hold people accountable for their actions. How would we do that with respect to firearms?
Where did I imply that?  PERSONAL responsibility and accountability for ONE's actions.  Your desire to impose your thoughts and expectations on all is telling.  Again, look up definition of facism. . .

robtmc

Re: Powerful speech by AOC: What are your core values?
« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2022, 03:08:43 PM »
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changemyoil66

Re: Powerful speech by AOC: What are your core values?
« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2022, 06:42:44 PM »
What in ANY stretch of the world of rational people could you come to that conclusion?   ::)
Xhe imagines things often.

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aletheuo137

Re: Powerful speech by AOC: What are your core values?
« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2022, 06:53:57 PM »
What in ANY stretch of the world of rational people could you come to that conclusion?   ::)
The operative word is rational?

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