Thoughts on Elons Twitter Ban for his Plane (Read 2640 times)

changemyoil66

Thoughts on Elons Twitter Ban for his Plane
« on: December 16, 2022, 08:40:39 AM »
IDK how I feel about this one.  I'm for free speech.  And his plane info is public record.  But then add in what stalkers do.  What if someone tweeted your daily activities of when you leave your home, got to work, go to the market, etc...All while on a public area.  Filming or taking pics of someone that is in public view from a public sidewalk is protected under the 1A.

Then add in Musk is prob getting lots of threats.  At what point is it free speech and stalking?  I guess I use the word stalking loosely.  Cause as of now, it's just his plane.  Also, I'm not taking inter consideration twitters doxxing policy.  So ignore that for now and look at this strictly from a 1A POV.  SCOTUS ruled 1A is protected unless it causes an immediate direct harm.  Example: Maxine Waters saying to "get in the face and make politicians uncomfortable" if you see them in public. Since there was none of these politicians there at the time, this is 1A and not a threat.  But if there was a GOP senator standing 10 feet away and the crowd went to the senator and began harassing and assaulting them, then that's not 1A.

Or Elon is playing 4D chess. He will show the outrage when 1 side is censored and how they were all silent when conservatives were censored.

hvybarrels

Re: Thoughts on Elons Twitter Ban for his Plane
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2022, 09:00:27 AM »
Seeing as how he just took away one the CIA’s favorite public opinion shaping toys I would say that any paranoia he has about his safety at the moment is justifiable.

Doxing and then directing violent mentally unstable minions to attack political opponents is one of the favorite weapons of the left. It’s also one of the reasons they hate 2a so much.
Stop blaming lazy people. We didn’t do anything.

changemyoil66

Re: Thoughts on Elons Twitter Ban for his Plane
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2022, 09:59:39 AM »
Update:
Must tweeted that a stalker was following the car his 2 year old son was in and jumped on the hood thinking it was Elon driving.  He claims that the stalker used the tracking of his plane.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Thoughts on Elons Twitter Ban for his Plane
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2022, 02:15:06 PM »
IDK how I feel about this one. 
[snip]

I bet you'd "feel" differently if this were you and your family being put at higher risk.

Nobody should be made an easier target for nut jobs no matter who they are.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Thoughts on Elons Twitter Ban for his Plane
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2022, 04:17:53 PM »
I bet you'd "feel" differently if this were you and your family being put at higher risk.

Nobody should be made an easier target for nut jobs no matter who they are.
Where is the line drawn though. See my example above.

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Thoughts on Elons Twitter Ban for his Plane
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2022, 05:18:09 PM »
Where is the line drawn though. See my example above.

Common sense.

There's no formula for what's too much doxing.  It all has the potential for abuse.

Unless there's a public benefit that comes out of the distribution of such information, why bother posting it?  What need does it serve beyond idle curiosity?

It's like I said many times, just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Sodie

Re: Thoughts on Elons Twitter Ban for his Plane
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2022, 07:01:16 PM »
How I feel about this is that he owns the platform; he can allow or disallow any speech he wants.  If he wants to ban all posts with the word “triskaidekaphobia” just because he feels like it, he can.  No First Amendment implications whatsoever. 

1A, just like 2A through 10A, restricts government.

The risk, as I understand it, is that social media platforms are protected against liability for what people post on them because they don’t exercise any “editorial function;” they’re supposedly just a platform where people post their own garbage.  As I see it, once you start disallowing certain content, that protection should go away.  “Oh, you removed all posts with ‘triskaidekaphobia,’ but you left up this post directly inciting violence that got somebody killed.  Hear that whistling?  It’s the sound of incoming lawsuits…”

changemyoil66

Re: Thoughts on Elons Twitter Ban for his Plane
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2022, 09:00:37 PM »
He's a moron and a terrible manager.
Says jean when referring to the richest or 2nd richest man in the world.

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Thoughts on Elons Twitter Ban for his Plane
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2022, 09:01:17 PM »
Based on further information, the data that was posted regarding Elon's realtime flight positions was hacked.  It was NOT information that is publicly available, yet the doxxer decided to obtain the information and make it public.

Does that change anyone's "feelings" on here?

Just wondering.

Dude Who Doxed Elon Musk Was Posting
Private Information, Journalists Are Lying


The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Thoughts on Elons Twitter Ban for his Plane
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2022, 10:26:12 PM »
Based on further information, the data that was posted regarding Elon's realtime flight positions was hacked.  It was NOT information that is publicly available, yet the doxxer decided to obtain the information and make it public.

Does that change anyone's "feelings" on here?

Just wondering.

Dude Who Doxed Elon Musk Was Posting
Private Information, Journalists Are Lying



This would make a big difference.

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macsak

Re: Thoughts on Elons Twitter Ban for his Plane
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2022, 11:36:46 PM »
tim pool is a journalist who covered occupy wall street from the lib side
you, on the other hand are a random realtor dude on a local gun forum that claims to be credible...
rofl

According to some random dudes on Youtube. Yeah that's credible.  :rofl:

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Thoughts on Elons Twitter Ban for his Plane
« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2022, 06:50:45 AM »
Elon Musk Vows ‘Legal Action’ Against Trackers;
Clarifies Private Jet ‘Doxxing’ Policy


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In a hectic day of account suspensions and reinstatements, Twitter owner Elon Musk finally
shed light on his policy for accounts broadcasting the real-time locations of private jet users.
In some cases, the accounts broadcast the destination airports of their high-profile owners
hours before the flights were due to arrive.
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Shortly after, Musk followed up with another tweet, "Last night, car carrying lil X in LA was
followed by crazy stalker (thinking it was me), who later blocked car from moving & climbed onto
hood. Legal action is being taken against Sweeney & organizations who supported harm to my
family."

Musk Tweeted;
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Any account doxxing real-time location info of anyone will be suspended, as it is a physical safety
violation. This includes posting links to sites with real-time location info.

Posting locations someone traveled to on a slightly delayed basis isn’t a safety problem, so is ok.
https://tinyurl.com/rsed2c8z

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After buying Twitter, Musk tweeted, "My commitment to free speech extends even to not banning the
account following my plane, even though that is a direct personal safety risk."

It was that safety risk that upset both the industry's trade group, the National Business Aviation
Association, and executives who manage private jets for wealthy owners.

Earlier this year, a spokesperson for the NBAA told Forbes.com, "The real-time tracking and online
broadcasting of business aviation flights—by anyone, anywhere in the world, with any motive—raises
many serious concerns, including with regard to passenger security, safety and corporate espionage.
These concerns have been repeatedly reflected in bipartisan congressional legislation requiring the
FAA to provide an opt-out from real-time flight tracking. This latest example of flight-stalking underscores
the need to ensure that people aren't required to surrender their personal security and safety just
because they get on an airplane."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/douggollan/2022/12/14/elon-musk-vows-legal-action-against-trackers-clarifies-private-jet-doxxing-policy/?sh=4a676a35705c

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Thoughts on Elons Twitter Ban for his Plane
« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2022, 09:05:36 AM »
According to some random dudes on Youtube. Yeah that's credible.  :rofl:
Typical jean reply.

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Sodie

Re: Thoughts on Elons Twitter Ban for his Plane
« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2022, 10:04:14 AM »
Doesn’t change anything.  He owns the platform; up to him what he does with it.  I don’t understand why people get so in a knot about what happens on Twitter… Don’t like how he runs it?  Don’t use it.  Same applied when Jack Dorsey was in charge.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Thoughts on Elons Twitter Ban for his Plane
« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2022, 11:11:27 AM »
Doesn’t change anything.  He owns the platform; up to him what he does with it.  I don’t understand why people get so in a knot about what happens on Twitter… Don’t like how he runs it?  Don’t use it.  Same applied when Jack Dorsey was in charge.

The Leftists who thrived on Twitter protected it from critics.  Now that they've lost control, they want it destroyed.

Simple as that.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Thoughts on Elons Twitter Ban for his Plane
« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2022, 03:41:37 PM »
Elon is taking a poll if he should step down.  "I will abide by the result".

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hvybarrels

Re: Thoughts on Elons Twitter Ban for his Plane
« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2022, 06:20:52 PM »
He’s great at making spectacles.
Stop blaming lazy people. We didn’t do anything.

changemyoil66

Re: Thoughts on Elons Twitter Ban for his Plane
« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2022, 08:45:20 AM »
Doesn’t change anything.  He owns the platform; up to him what he does with it.  I don’t understand why people get so in a knot about what happens on Twitter… Don’t like how he runs it?  Don’t use it.  Same applied when Jack Dorsey was in charge.

I understand that the 1a is so the government doesn't censor you and Twitter is not the government owned.  But Musk did say that the same Twitter page a while ago who was doing the same thing, he would not suspend or do anything about them posting his real time flight info.

But this was before his private info was hacked and released.  So the plane arrival and take off was no longer public info.  This is the huge part that the fake news failed to mention.  With this being said, I am OK with his suspending the pages.  It would be like if someone got your tax returns illegally and posted it online for all to see.  Vs. public record of someones or some entities tax returns and it being posted online for all to see.

Thanks Flapp for the info about his info being obtained illegally.  Google-Sifu.

changemyoil66

Re: Thoughts on Elons Twitter Ban for his Plane
« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2022, 08:45:44 AM »
He’s great at making spectacles.

How do you spot bots?  Do this poll.

hvybarrels

Re: Thoughts on Elons Twitter Ban for his Plane
« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2022, 11:59:10 AM »
Stop blaming lazy people. We didn’t do anything.