Why should you work to earn money? (Read 2685 times)

ren

Why should you work to earn money?
« on: January 02, 2023, 11:22:06 AM »
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/big-welfare-handouts-mean-folks-who-stay-home-living-high-hog-off-your-tax-dollars

In many states, gratuitous welfare benefits have made that childhood fantasy an adult reality. Professor Casey Mulligan of the University of Chicago and I have found that some families can receive the annualized equivalent of a six-figure income with no one working – and you’re paying for it.

During the pandemic, idled workers received unemployment "bonuses" so high that many were pocketing more than twice what they had been making on the job. Even without these extra weekly payments, unemployment benefits can reach unexpected high levels in many states. In New Jersey, for instance, a family of four with no one working can receive unemployment benefits equivalent to a job paying over $96,000. That’s more than the median household earns in wages and benefits combined.
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RSN172

Re: Why should you work to earn money?
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2023, 11:33:21 AM »
Wea can I sign up?
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QUIETShooter

Re: Why should you work to earn money?
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2023, 12:15:32 PM »
There was an article long ago of parents teaching their kids how to game the welfare system.

Instead of teaching their kids about becoming productive citizens they teach them how to become leaches like themselves.

And I'm sure these kids are now teaching their kids.........

Rinse and repeat.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

robtmc

Re: Why should you work to earn money?
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2023, 02:56:10 PM »
What was that infamous LBJ quote about having

"those n*ggers voting democrat for the next 200 years"??

He set up the modern welfare system and ha put us intold trillions  in debt

groveler

Re: Why should you work to earn money?
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2023, 05:50:29 PM »
There was an article long ago of parents teaching their kids how to game the welfare system.

Instead of teaching their kids about becoming productive citizens they teach them how to become leaches like themselves.

And I'm sure these kids are now teaching their kids.........

Rinse and repeat.
Y'all know that is why income taxes were originally not
included in the Constitution?
Because the founders knew once the poor which outnumber
the producers,  would use government to steal(tax)
the people that produce wealth to poverty..
Many poor are that way because of fate, We all should do
what we can for them, at OUR Discretion.

The ones I object to,  are the ones that choose the route
to use government to force me to support them.
I name them Democrats, , Socialists, and Communists.


Flapp_Jackson

Re: Why should you work to earn money?
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2023, 05:57:52 PM »
Y'all know that is why income taxes were originally not
included in the Constitution?
Because the founders knew once the poor which outnumber
the producers,  would use government to to steal(tax)
the people that produce wealth.
Many poor are that way because of fate, We all should do
what we can for them, at OUR Discretion.

The ones I object to,  are the ones that choose that route
and use government to force me to support them.
I name them Democrats, , Socialists, and Communists.

Even before income taxes existed, there was the stipulation that you needed to own land to vote.  That rule presumed that only those with "skin in the game" should be allowed to elect our government officials.  Otherwise, the risk existed that someone with no property could overtax and over regulate the producers.

Of course, this was also at a time when federal office was considered a part-time gig for people who spent the majority of the year operating their farms and businesses. 

Now we have politicians willing to forego very lucrative careers in the law to take less as a Congress critter.  Many make a lifetime career of it, and most are at least millionaires after one term in office.

We pay them nearly $200K plus for a salary, and they make even more on the side speaking and writing.  They are treated like royalty, which is what the founding fathers tried to prevent.

A government big enough to provide everything you need is also big enough to take from you everything you have.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

groveler

Re: Why should you work to earn money?
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2023, 06:08:04 PM »
Even before income taxes existed, there was the stipulation that you needed to own land to vote.  That rule presumed that only those with "skin in the game" should be allowed to elect our government officials.  Otherwise, the risk existed that someone with no property could overtax and over regulate the producers.

Of course, this was also at a time when federal office was considered a part-time gig for people who spent the majority of the year operating their farms and businesses. 

Now we have politicians willing to forego very lucrative careers in the law to take less as a Congress critter.  Many make a lifetime career of it, and most are at least millionaires after one term in office.

We pay them nearly $200K plus for a salary, and they make even more on the side speaking and wiers, did makriting.  They are treated like royalty, which is what the founding fathers tried to prevent.

A government big enough to provide everything you need is also big enough to take from you everything you have.
Your grasp of History is very good. You forgot,  besides being a property owner you had to be 25 years or older.
They understood kids while making good soldiers were not good law makers.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Why should you work to earn money?
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2023, 06:16:49 PM »
Your grasp of History is very good. You forgot,  besides being a property owner you had to be 25 years or older.
They understood kids while making good soldiers were not good law makers.

Yes, voting ages were lowered mostly in response to the increased education levels of the general population.

Some places passed laws to require a demonstration of reading skills and political fact knowledge before being registered to vote, but that practice was often a ruse to exclude minorities.  Even those who could pass the tests were denied the right based on some arbitrary, subjective opinion that they just didn't read well enough while others (Whites) who couldn't read but weren't required to take the test were registered.

Sort of like the arbitrary and subjective criteria used here for decades to deny 2A rights.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

oldfart

Re: Why should you work to earn money?
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2023, 12:53:20 PM »
There was an article long ago of parents teaching their kids how to game the welfare system.

Instead of teaching their kids about becoming productive citizens they teach them how to become leaches like themselves.

And I'm sure these kids are now teaching their kids.........

Rinse and repeat.
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In this article, the state says that since social security payments are going up this month then welfare recipients can game the system.
=== https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2023/01/03/state-warns-increase-social-security-payments-could-reduce-snap-benefits/
"Incomes could go up so much from those raises that it reduces food benefits.

The state said recipients could offset the income increase by reporting additional expenses for medical care or rent."

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robtmc

Re: Why should you work to earn money?
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2023, 07:14:41 PM »
the increased education levels of the general population.

Considering how ignorant and brainwashed millennials are, that is a real howler.........

Heinlein had a good idea of military service being necessary to vote.   Then, the age thing would not matter.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Why should you work to earn money?
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2023, 07:48:00 PM »
Considering how ignorant and brainwashed millennials are, that is a real howler.........

Heinlein had a good idea of military service being necessary to vote.   Then, the age thing would not matter.

Is it any mystery why the Dims want to lower the legal voting age to 16 while they already made the maximum age to be on your parents' medical insurance until age 26?

16 = old enough to elect our leaders
18-26 = too young to support themselves
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

MassConfusion

Re: Why should you work to earn money?
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2023, 02:44:18 PM »
Is it any mystery why the Dims want to lower the legal voting age to 16 while they already made the maximum age to be on your parents' medical insurance until age 26?

16 = old enough to elect our leaders
18-26 = too young to support themselves
I am sure you have heard this term before but I think it applies here as well.
Low information voter.
I would venture a minimum of 50 percent of the under 30 population would fall into this demographic. Indoctrination not education. Imo
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ― Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
 “The only difference between reality and fiction is that fiction needs to be credible.” ― Mark Twain

hvybarrels

Re: Why should you work to earn money?
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2023, 08:27:14 AM »
People without meaningful work are much more likely to kill themselves. I’ve seen in with some techie friends. They make big money but don’t actually do anything productive and are completely miserable, and I think that’s why they fell head over heels for Branch Covidianism. It gave some purpose to their otherwise meaningless lives.
The F in Communism stands for Food

groveler

Re: Why should you work to earn money?
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2023, 08:55:14 AM »
People without meaningful work are much more likely to kill themselves. I’ve seen in with some techie friends. They make big money but don’t actually do anything productive and are completely miserable, and I think that’s why they fell head over heels for Branch Covidianism. It gave some purpose to their otherwise meaningless lives.
I'm a techie guy and I did lot's of neat things most people don't get to do.
I think you are referring to programmers and technicians that are in reality just laborers typing in/building, repairing, and testing what I designed.
 :geekdanc:
Full disclosure;  I spent 17 years as a technician before I became an engineer.

hvybarrels

Re: Why should you work to earn money?
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2023, 12:01:39 PM »
I'm a techie guy and I did lot's of neat things most people don't get to do.
I think you are referring to programmers and technicians that are in reality just laborers typing in/building, repairing, and testing what I designed.
 :geekdanc:
Full disclosure;  I spent 17 years as a technician before I became an engineer.

I should have been more specific. Not the technicians that actually make things, but the tech company employees who spend all day pretending to work.

The F in Communism stands for Food

groveler

Re: Why should you work to earn money?
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2023, 12:31:17 PM »
I should have been more specific. Not the technicians that actually make things, but the tech company employees who spend all day pretending to work.


Agreed!
20+years at Boeing, I watched them all get weeded out
Unions slowed that process
Keck observatory did not tolerate them at all.
You ass would be gone in a day or a week.
They only wanted to hire PhD's,  I'm blessed to have gotten in.

What has always confused me is why the "useless types"
get hired. I always figured Contract workers were best for
what you know is temporary work.
You build a core of competent workers, essential to your business
and hire/ release Contractors as you need them or don't.
FTEs are expensive to train and retain.
Contract employees  not so much.
 :geekdanc: