HIFICO 2023 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post) (Read 9162 times)

zippz

HIFICO 2023 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
« on: January 23, 2023, 01:00:22 AM »
Here is the new bill tracker for 2023.  This is constantly updated.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1J-jW_lntqL1UXimSZ7lYoIgLMWRHjInuiKI0LnkzL0w/edit?usp=sharing



Update  4-2-23:
Sorry I haven't been posting much lately.  I'm resigning my position with HIFICO next month so I'm transitioning the team to take over legislative affairs, as you've seen from changemyoil.

This year has been unexpected post Bruen.  It was expected that gun control legislation would drastically drop, but it's gone the other way here and nationally.  Similar to how Heller was ignored.  Combine that with a more liberal State legislature here.  A few more Republicans are in office now, but many of our gun rights leaders in the legislature have left while the legislature is slightly more liberal now.  I expected HB984/SB1230 would've been cut in half, but they are largely in tact except for the insurance requirements.  I didn't think HB426 (firearm industry) would pass, but it's sailing through and the gun stores aren't opposing it.
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One thing to keep in mind, the only reason we push for testimony is that we failed to do everything else we're supposed to do.  Such as talking to legislators throughout the year, educating the public, getting involved with elections, etc.  Pushing testimony is largely a last resort type of thing.
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changemyoil66

Re: HIFICO 2023 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2023, 11:56:46 AM »
So far 34 anti 2a bills. Can we beat our record of 47?

Rocky

Re: HIFICO 2023 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2023, 07:21:56 PM »
Dropping your firearm,
Leaving your firearm behind in public,
Mounting a firearm on a drone ?  :wacko:
Who the (insert) dreams this crap up ?

“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt

changemyoil66

Re: HIFICO 2023 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2023, 07:40:20 PM »
Dropping your firearm,
Leaving your firearm behind in public,
Mounting a firearm on a drone ?  :wacko:
Who the (insert) dreams this crap up ?
Mostly marx

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jd0210

Re: HIFICO 2023 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2023, 09:35:19 PM »
Firearms insurance. What a bunch of bull

hvybarrels

Re: HIFICO 2023 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2023, 08:16:21 AM »
Looks like fuel prices are set to spike. That might usually be bad news but it also means social chaos and the ledge will be distracted from their normal social reconstruction agenda.
“A Communist system can be recognized by the fact that it spares the criminals and criminalizes the political opponent.”   -Alexander Solzhenitsyn

jd0210

Re: HIFICO 2023 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2023, 12:26:32 AM »
Hmm surprisingly no “assault” weapons ban this year.  I guess who needs that when they can just make us take a 14 hour class, get insurance and then register ammo for ten round mags.  :wtf:

QUIETShooter

Re: HIFICO 2023 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2023, 07:31:32 AM »
I wish they would spend more time, resources, and energy in addressing mental health issues and criminal incarceration.

Instead of trying to figure out ways to turn law abiding and responsible citizens into potential criminals.

These fackahs are full of shiite.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

groveler

Re: HIFICO 2023 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2023, 06:27:23 PM »
I wish they would spend more time, resources, and energy in addressing mental health issues and criminal incarceration.

Instead of trying to figure out ways to turn law abiding and responsible citizens into potential criminals.

These fackahs are full of shiite.
I remember the"Daisy" commercials of the 1964 elections.
I was in the 4rd grade. 64-65.
I decided at that point Democrats were the biggest threat to my
health, safety and welfare because they lie.Most all of them and they
stand lock step with their party
that says any means to justify their ends.
They have not changed and actually have gotten worse, as I'm now the enemy.
A stupid shit that obeys the law.
 :wtf:

zippz

Re: HIFICO 2023 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2023, 08:19:17 PM »
49 gun bills for 2023 with the vast majority being for gun control.  This is higher than prior years.  Almost all of these would be deemed unconstitutional per the SCOTUS Bruen decision last year, and almost none of them have the required historical precedent to back them up in court.

The most common add restrictions to the permit to acquire, carry, and sensitive places.  There are some new ones which is negligent display of a firearm which could be accidental, such as reaching for something on a high shelf exposing your waistline.  Attaching firearms to drones, requiring locked containers when transporting firearms, allowances to store firearms in vehicles under certain conditions, and liability for the gun industry (aka marketing lawsuits). 

The egregious bill?  Award goes to HB428 which bans the carry of guns in Downtown Honolulu and Waikiki.  Kinda thought SCOTUS went over this before...
Carry bill to focus on?  It would be the Governor's carry bills HB984 and SB1282 which include just about everything for permit to acquire and carry.

2 bills are up for hearing now HB535 was introduced by the Big Island hunters and is the main focus for hunting this year.  It creates a game management plan to promote hunting, hunting education, increased hunting opportunities, etc.  It also creates the certified public hunter program by the State, encouraging private land owners to allow hunting on their properties.  Currently it is very difficult to hunt on private land, where most of the pigs and deer are located, due to liability concerns.  This program would help to resolve that issue.
Please provide supporting testimony:  https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=HB&billnumber=535&year=2023

The other bill is SB98 which I have no position on.  This will audit the State's Wildlife restoration program aka Pittman Robertson federal grant funds to promote hunting and develop ranges.  This is the 11% federal firearms and ammunition tax that you pay.
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=98&year=2023
This is the 2022 Wildlife Fund report, see what your tax dollars are spent on:  https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=DC&billnumber=87&year=2023

zippz

Re: HIFICO 2023 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2023, 12:28:02 AM »
The rest of the bills received referrals to their committee.  So far the senate bills are referred to both PSM (Wakai) and JDC (Rhoads).  Usually in the past, PSM (Nishihara) declined to have hearings for the bills leaving the fate of the bills in Rhoads hand.  Wakai seems to be taking a more active role as the new chair.  This means there is an extra chance for the bills to be killed or at the very least, watered down if it does pass.  Wakai tends to be more of a moderate and looks at both sides of the issue.

I added C&CH Bill 57 Sensitive places to the list, a hearing is scheduled for Feb 7th.  We'd like to get as much participation as possible with written, zoom, and in-person testimony.  We want to shut this thing down early so we don't have to deal with it again later.



zippz

Re: HIFICO 2023 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2023, 12:10:08 AM »
I testified on HB535 on Game Management Plan/Certified Hunter.  I was the only one testifying in person other than the DLNR.  DLNR was opposed to the bill saying that current laws already cover what is in the bill.  They did admit that they need to review the bill further and could provide amendments which could improve things for hunters.  A legislator asked if this would help with Maui's deer problem and DLNR said they already have programs to deal with the problem.

The issue on Maui is most of the land is privately owned and there are very little public lands where deer live on.  Private land owners complain about the deer overpopulation, but at the same time they don't allow hunters on their property due to liability reasons.  This bill would certify hunters easing those liability fears and open up more private lands for hunting.

HB535 passed the Water and Land committee and will advance.

No movement on the other bills.

zippz

Re: HIFICO 2023 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2023, 10:12:07 PM »
Testimony needed for Bill 57 on 2-7-23 1pm at Honolulu Hale, virtual, or written.  This is the big day and we want everyone to come out and testify if possible.  We have a good chance of stopping this sensitive places bill for Honolulu so we need the show of support.
https://honolulu.granicus.com/GeneratedAgendaViewer.php?view_id=3&event_id=1000


zippz

Re: HIFICO 2023 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2023, 09:55:52 PM »
2 bills are up for hearing early next week.  It is very important we get as much calls and testimony in as possible, as these 2 hearings will set the tone for future hearings and help us defeat this bill and others.  Out of the 10 hearing s that will come up this session, these two are the most important.

SB1230 is an average sensitive places ban/CCW requirements bill in the PUblic Safety committee Chair  Senator Wakai on Monday at 3pm.  I'm surprised he is hearing this bill instead of the Governor's extreme bill, but Wakai introduced this and he is a analytical moderate.  We need everyone in his district, lower parts of Waipahu to Sand Island, to call his office on Monday and say you are a constituent and oppose this bill.  You can submit written testimony and do remote video testimony(request 24hrs prior) or in-person (submit written and just show up).  We are looking for 1,000 testimonies in opposition.

Wakai's district and contact:  https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/fyl/?webmap=2960e36874df4134879bda59d7d92a94&query=Senate%20Districts,Sen_ID,15
SB1230:  https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=1230&year=2023

Bill 57 is for the City and County of Honolulu, it's 2nd hearing is before the Executive and Legal Affairs committee with Chair Tyler Dos-Santos Tam.  We talked to him last week, and seems to be taking a cautious approach to this bill due to the lawsuits on the mainland.  The original draft of Bill 57 is bad.  Tupola drafted a minimal draft CD1 version of the bill that meets the SCOTUS requirements in NYSRPA v Bruen.  We don't think CD1 is necessary, but could live with it.  Best approach is to have the city council hold off on their bill and wait for the State to pass something.
https://honolulu.granicus.com/GeneratedAgendaViewer.php?view_id=3&event_id=1000
Call your district council members on Monday and Tuesday
District map and contact info:  https://www.honolulucitycouncil.org/find-my-councilmember

In other news, Hunting bills HB1382 game meat processing task force/meat donations passed the agriculture committee along with HB1426 concerning food innovation(creating a sustainable industry and market) and axis deer meat processing on Molokai.

zippz

Re: HIFICO 2023 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2023, 08:36:43 AM »
Hmm surprisingly no “assault” weapons ban this year.  I guess who needs that when they can just make us take a 14 hour class, get insurance and then register ammo for ten round mags.  :wtf:

Rhoads is just going to be Rhoads.  He introduces many of the same bills every year.  I'm surprised he didn't introduce an "assault weapons" bill this year.  There have been some AWB introduced in Congress and the states.  Illinois passed theirs recently and it's being challenged in court already.

zippz

Re: HIFICO 2023 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2023, 08:39:16 AM »
I wish they would spend more time, resources, and energy in addressing mental health issues and criminal incarceration.

Instead of trying to figure out ways to turn law abiding and responsible citizens into potential criminals.

These fackahs are full of shiite.

I tell the politicians that they treat criminals better than gun owners.  They don't want to build the new jail, get rid of bail for many, don't deal with the homeless problem, etc.

Heavies

Re: HIFICO 2023 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2023, 06:54:53 AM »
Everything they are trying to pass is in direct violation of the SCOTUS instruction and the 2nd Amendment.  Any lawmaker that supports and pushes for these infringements are in direct violation of their sworn oaths.

They’ve been told the definition of the Constitution
They’ve been told the method to determine if their bills will pass Constitutional muster
They’ve been told to do the right thing

Blatantly, they don’t care

With zero consequences, they will continue to violate rights. Like spoiled 3 year olds, throwing tantrums along the way.

QUIETShooter

Re: HIFICO 2023 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2023, 09:05:35 AM »
I would love to see an HPD Chief refusing to enforce unconstitutional gun laws.  Someone who would be courageous enough to stand up to the obvious BS that is being introduced in legislation.

But see, the problem in Hawaii is the word "COURAGE".
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: HIFICO 2023 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2023, 01:06:35 PM »
I would love to see an HPD Chief refusing to enforce unconstitutional gun laws.  Someone who would be courageous enough to stand up to the obvious BS that is being introduced in legislation.

But see, the problem in Hawaii is the word "COURAGE".

That would assume the Chief doesn't agree with the unconstitutional attacks on the 2nd amendment. 

Remember when Ballard was criticized by the police commission for not approving a single concealed carry application?  None of the chiefs prior had been criticized. 

However, when the practice put the whole "Never Ever Issue" scheme under a national spotlight -- which was inevitable given that most recently appointed federal judges are selected by Trump -- their unconstitutional laws were suddenly a problem for them. 

Had Ballard simply issued a token number of permits for extremely serious circumstances to give at least the appearance that the state complies with its own laws, I think she'd still be chief, and the "May Issue" practice would have been a non-issue [pun intended].  At least it would have been a continuation of the status quo until the Bruen decision which basically negated the legality of any state practice short of "Shall Issue".

The Chief is hand-selected to align with the missions and ideals of the police commission, the mayor and the governor.  They aren't about to put a proponent of self defense and the 2nd Amendment in that position of power.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

zippz

Re: HIFICO 2023 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2023, 11:36:17 PM »
Bill tracker updated with hunting and gun resolutions